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I was anti vax, but after having the virus for going on a month, different stages, I would recommend the vax.

Everyone I know who had the vax and got COVID had mild symptoms for a few days. Folks like myself and my wife went down hard. Wife had more of the flu and I had the cough. It was awful.

I now know I am in a real good place as those that have had it are in the best shape going forward.

But I will get vaccinated as well. Just seems like common sense to me.
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I was anti vax, but after having the virus for going on a month, different stages, I would recommend the vax.

Everyone I know who had the vax and got COVID had mild symptoms for a few days. Folks like myself and my wife went down hard. Wife had more of the flu and I had the cough. It was awful.

I now know I am in a real good place as those that have had it are in the best shape going forward.

But I will get vaccinated as well. Just seems like common sense to me.
You okay, buddy?
 
I've always loved the idea of calling myself a libertarian. I just don't know what it really means.
 
We call ourselves Libertarians.


I'm intrigued by Libertarianism (Sp), but don't know much about it. The main thing seems to be the protection of individual rights and the opposition to the State restricting the rights of private citizens. How do you reconcile your libertarianism with your anti-Abortion stance? Those contradict each other. I even looked up what is the official stance on abortion from the Libertarian party and it says pro choice.
 
I'm for the vaccine, but I can't take you seriously if you are screaming about protecting your health, and look like that.


naw, they're cool with dying in 20-30 years due to problems caused by obesity, they just don't want to die this year. They have way too many important things to do on Twitter to die this early!
 
Some may have a medical condition no matter what they try. But the ones that don't have a medical condition got no excuse. Get a treadmill, you can watch TV while you are using it.

I know people will say it could be some defense mechanism for depression, just treat yourself to feel better. Not buying it. Just lazy and indulgent to one's self.
 
Libertarianism (Sp), but don't know much about it. The main thing seems to be the protection of individual rights and the opposition to the State restricting the rights of private citizens. How do you reconcile your libertarianism with your anti-Abortion stance? Those contradict

I'm not going to be 100% in accordance by any movement. Nor should anyone. If anyone is 100% in agreement with the stances of a party or movement, it means they're ideologically possessed. Being uncompromising in your views is a self-imposed blindness.

As far as why I stand against abortion, it's pretty simple. I believe it's more than okay to make stances when we feel someone else's rights are being violated. We don't mind "forcing" our view on people by keeping rape and spousal abuse illegal, nor should we, as they have an aggrieved party... as does abortion.
 
It’s getting harder and harder to excuse your ignorance.

a) You are comparing deaths to cases, rather than comparing deaths to the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. If you don’t see the error in that, I’ll explain it to you, but you should be able to see it. Of note, cases only count when people are sick enough to get tested.

b) People with one dose are unvaccinated. Count them accordingly. Notice the stark contrast in the number of cases?

c) The numbers are strictly for the Delta variant.

d) Those age 50+ are at the greatest risk of dying from COVID and also the most vaccinated. If you have 100 old people, 80 vaccinated and 20 unvaccinated, and let’s say for illustration, a 5% death rate for the unvaccinated and 3% death rate for the vaccinated (relative to population) you get this:

Vaccinated deaths: 2.4
Unvaccinated deaths: 1

That doesn’t mean the vaccine isn’t working. You understand now? You can’t argue the vaccines aren’t working because they’re preventing people from getting sick.

But the vaccines are supposedly 66-80% effective against Delta.

You can argue that the situation may not be as bad as it seems at a glance, but that's not the argument. You said that all the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the vaccines being highly effective. It isn't.

Awhile ago you had admitted that it's not highly effective at preventing breakthrough cases or even hospitalizations, but that it decreased the chance of death. Now you're back to claiming massive success in prevention. Tell that to Israel.
 
Oh well, guess you can't be completely immune from crazies.

What kind of crazy things did they say or do?

Some drug stuff. I'm all for legalizing weed and dropping a lot of other stuff, but some of them are just too extreme.

Despite being a very pro-2a myself; some have said there should be no limits. Even violent felons should be able to have any firearm they want when released.

There should be no age of consent. No alcohol, tobacco, etc... age restrictions either.
 
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There should be no age of consent.
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Some drug stuff. I'm all for legalizing weed and dropping a lot of other stuff, but some of them are just too extreme.

Despite being a very pro-2a myself; some have said there should be no limits. Even violent felons should be able to have any firearm they want when released.

There should be no age of consent. No alcohol, tobacco, etc... age restrictions either.

Yeah, that is pretty extreme, I'd say. I don't know what exactly constitutes orthodoxy in libertarianism. But, it sounds like they're flirting a bit with anarchism.
 
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@toonces11 How is obesity determined? Is it just BMI?

I’m curious because I know BMI was just created by a mathematician who was like, “idk, this formula seems to result in approximately what a person should look like” and I wonder if there is or has been any progress toward a more medically sound measurement.

I know we’re not talking about big swings in the numbers, but I also know there are a good number of people who somebody would look at and call ‘fat’ but they’d stop short of ‘obese.’ But BMI would put them in obese territory.
 
@toonces11 How is obesity determined? Is it just BMI?

I’m curious because I know BMI was just created by a mathematician who was like, “idk, this formula seems to result in approximately what a person should look like” and I wonder if there is or has been any progress toward a more medically sound measurement.

I know we’re not talking about big swings in the numbers, but I also know there are a good number of people who somebody would look at and call ‘fat’ but they’d stop short of ‘obese.’ But BMI would put them in obese territory.
On whatever BMI scale they use at the doc, 6'1", 208, I was considered obese
 
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@toonces11 How is obesity determined? Is it just BMI?

I’m curious because I know BMI was just created by a mathematician who was like, “idk, this formula seems to result in approximately what a person should look like” and I wonder if there is or has been any progress toward a more medically sound measurement.

I know we’re not talking about big swings in the numbers, but I also know there are a good number of people who somebody would look at and call ‘fat’ but they’d stop short of ‘obese.’ But BMI would put them in obese territory.

According to BMI, Zion Williamson is obese. Obesity is anything over 30, and Zion's BMI is roughly 32. It's laughable; there are obviously different body types. Percentage of body fat should probably be factored into the algorithm.

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According to BMI, Zion Williamson is obese. Obesity is anything over 30, and Zion's BMI is roughly 32. It's laughable; there are obviously different body types. Percentage of body fat should probably be factored into the algorithm.

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Speaking from personal experience, I could not have gotten below 145lbs at 17 years old; at least not in a healthy way. I was playing sports or lifting weights year-round and had a pretty decent 40 time. I’ve gained about 45lbs since then and now I’m on the cusp of being ‘obese.’ I’m for sure fat, but obese seems a bit much. 45lbs between healthy and obese is pretty narrow, imo.

Again, I know we’re not taking about a huge swing in the numbers, but if people like me are counted as obese I think the numbers are at least a little bit spiked. When I think of obese, I think of people who can’t walk up stairs without breathing heavily or can’t jog a few miles at a time.
 
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@toonces11 How is obesity determined? Is it just BMI?

I’m curious because I know BMI was just created by a mathematician who was like, “idk, this formula seems to result in approximately what a person should look like” and I wonder if there is or has been any progress toward a more medically sound measurement.

I know we’re not talking about big swings in the numbers, but I also know there are a good number of people who somebody would look at and call ‘fat’ but they’d stop short of ‘obese.’ But BMI would put them in obese territory.
I would say BMI is the most widely used considering the general population. Corporations/companies more often than not, rely on BMI to assess risk management liabilities when hiring. Most companies now require a strength test and pulmonary function test if your not plopped at a desk. BMI is a very very general and generic way to get a baseline on an average persons health status. I couldnt tell you the % breakdown of those who the BMI accurately depicts and those that it misses on. Body structure and fitness level can easily skew the numbers in a negative fashion. Im not a huge fan of the BMI scale, but in the US its becoming more accurate based solely on how big the population has become (Body weight wise).

If you are a 35 and above, it would be a rare occasion that a person would be considered healthy with any body type. I have def seen people in the 25 -30 range that would be considered in shape to very very fit.
 
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Speaking from personal experience, I could not have gotten below 145lbs at 17 years old; at least not in a healthy way. I was playing sports or lifting weights year-round and had a pretty decent 40 time. I’ve gained about 45lbs since then and now I’m on the cusp of being ‘obese.’ I’m for sure fat, but obese seems a bit much. 45lbs between healthy and obese is pretty narrow, imo.

Again, I know we’re not taking about a huge swing in the numbers, but if people like me are counted as obese I think the numbers are at least a little bit spiked. When I think of obese, I think of people who can’t walk up stairs without breathing heavily or can’t jog a few miles at a time.

I think percentage of body fat is probably a better indication of obesity than BMI. By the BMI standards, a decent chunk of professional athletes are at least overweight. If you're 6 foot tall, the overweight threshold starts at 184. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Evidently those playing video games in the basement of their parents home, all day long, are in better health condition than some of the best athletes in the country.
 
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I would say BMI is the most widely used considering the general population. Corporations/companies more often than not, rely on BMI to assess risk management liabilities when hiring. Most companies now require a strength test and pulmonary function test if your not plopped at a desk. BMI is a very very general and generic way to get a baseline on an average persons health status. I couldnt tell you the % breakdown of those who the BMI accurately depicts and those that it misses on. Body structure and fitness level can easily skew the numbers in a negative fashion. Im not a huge fan of the BMI scale, but in the US its becoming more accurate based solely on how big the population has become (Body weight wise).

If you are a 35 and above, it would be a rare occasion that a person would be considered healthy with any body type. I have def seen people in the 25 -30 range that would be considered in shape to very very fit.

Who was the last NFL MVP to have a BMI in the healthy range? Don't even know. Just went back to the start of the century. Everyone is considered overweight, while the three running backs at the top are considered obese.

Shaun Alexander, 31.4
LaDainian Tomlinson, 30.8
Marshall Faulk, 30.3
Steve McNair, 29.5
Cam Newton, 29.0
Adrian Peterson, 29.0
Aaron Rodgers, 28.9
Patrick Mahomes, 28.7
Kurt Warner, 27.5
Tom Brady, 27.4
Peyton Manning, 27.3
Lamar Jackson, 27.2
Matt Ryan, 26.4
Rich Gannon, 26.2
 
Who was the last NFL MVP to have a BMI in the healthy range? Don't even know. Just went back to the start of the century. Everyone is considered overweight, while the three running backs at the top are considered obese.

Shaun Alexander, 31.4
LaDainian Tomlinson, 30.8
Marshall Faulk, 30.3
Steve McNair, 29.5
Cam Newton, 29.0
Adrian Peterson, 29.0
Aaron Rodgers, 28.9
Patrick Mahomes, 28.7
Kurt Warner, 27.5
Tom Brady, 27.4
Peyton Manning, 27.3
Lamar Jackson, 27.2
Matt Ryan, 26.4
Rich Gannon, 26.2
This happens at every level with athletes.
 
Right. Just seems weird that elite athletes are consistently overweight, sometimes even in the obese territory.
They have an extraordinary level of muscle mass. Muscle weighs more than fat. BMI is an "OK' starting point, b/c its literally a 3 second calculation. You can look at body fat % and baseline vital levels next, then blood work, and then health conditions.
 
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I dislike BMI as any sort of way to measure obesity. It simply doesn't tell an accurate story most of the time. Obesity is definitely a major issue in our country though. Lot of unhealthy folks around here.
 
At 5’11 and 195, my BMI puts me squarely in the overweight category. Been working to bulk up a bit, but I guess I need a diet.
 
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