Great----Deane went to Lamar....OK? DOes it change the fact that he went 100-55 in his 5 years at Marquette?
You are rather dumb as ****---or a fantastic troll...
I am going with both.
Fighting Creans move to 7-0
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You are rather dumb as ****---or a fantastic troll...
I am going with both.
Just insanity...
Don't you think taking jobs at schools who aren't winning caused his winning percentage to go down more than anything.
Fact is he turned the corner at 2 of the universities and good chance he will at a third.
Will most likely be coach of the Year in the conference at all 3 schools.
They were struggling.
Look at conference record.
Reason why he when down to the Southland Conference.
Went from Marquette to a mid major
LMAO....
Marquette WAS winning.....They were 100-55 prior to his arrival you ass clown.
You wanna get down to it----Hell Indiana under Mike Davis went to 4 NCAAT in 6 seasons---including playing for a Ntional title...Winning one Big 10 title...
Kelvin Sampson was 43-15 in two seasons...Two NCAAT's.
Crean took over a mess, sure....He gutted the program. Which was needed. But I mean, if ya wanna go this route, we can....In the previous 8 seasons prior to Crean arriving, Indiana weht to 6 NCAAT, FF, title game...In his 9 seasons---IU went 5 NCAAT's. No FF's.
Creans issue is his teams are inconsistent....He will win 26 games----then 19----Then 27----then 17. Go to the NCAAT twice----miss it twice....Rinse and repeat...
He is a decent/average coach...Calling him anything more is stupid....And probably means you are a fanboy, or having some type of emotional breakdown.
Once again facts be dammed. You only care about your narrow minded agenda because Tom Crean didn't win enough at Indiana.
Marquette was heading downhill. Every year prior to Crean taking over their conference record was getting worse.
So you can brag about overall record all you want but we have no idea what teams were played.
You are saying 7-0 doesn't mean anything
Conference records mean a lot because they are pretty much the same teams every year.
Do you get it...
Tom Crean turned around the Marquette program.
You can even give him credit for Buzz Williams. He brought Buzz in
When Buzz was recruiting Jimmy Butler before Crean left he was selling Tom Crean as a coach.
I am very familiar with Jimmy Butler. Know his HS coach very well. He was involved in the recruitment even though Jimmy went to a JUCO
All the success for Marquette Basketball the last 20 years is due to hiring Tom Crean
Once you comprehend that you move on...
Oh,so now its "look at their conference records"....JFC, you move the goal post more than politicians do...But hey, for you...
1st year: 7-5(3rd)
2nd year: 10-4(2nd)
3rd year: 9-5 (2nd)
4th year: 8-8(4th)
5th year: 6-10 (6th)
40-38 overall....
So Crean took over a program that in the previous 5 years, had ONE losing season in conference...WOn 20+ games 4 times in 5 years....
Yeah he sure took over a mess, huh.....
I get it....You have a crush on Tom Crean....You think he is a GREAT coach...Fine. Let me ask....
If the jobs at....
UNC,Duke, UK, Kansas, MSU, Nova, etc, etc....came open---You think one single AD is calling Tom Crean? Seems to me a GREAT coach, as you said he is, would get a call from those type of programs...
I am telling you right now...
Your narrative isn't going to work. You can continue this if you want but Tom Crean could win at Georgia and possibly win big.
Just letting you know....
Why do lie? Why make false claims just to bolster your stupid ass take of Crean being a great coach?
Kevin O'Neil conference records:
1st year: 9-5
2nd year: 7-7
3rd year:: 5-5
4th year: 6-4-----Better than 3rd year.
5th year: 10-2----Better than the 4th year..
New coach Mike Deane:
1st year: 7-5
2nd year: 10-4---Better than his first year..
3rd year: 9-5
4th year: 8-8
5th year: 6-10
In five of the 9 seasons, they were as good, if not better.
Why make such dumb ass claims?
Crean is an ok coach. He’s not close to being great and he’s not going to be in the HOF. He’s a nice fit for Georgia.
Sure was.....One losing season in 7 years.....6, 20+ winning seasons....4 NCAAT....Finished 3rd or better, 7 times in conference play...
Yeah---they were sinking, brother.
You do know they moved conferences.
The program was going downhill when Crean took over
You can attempt to try to give credit to others but the truth is Tom Crean recreated the Marquette basketball program
Exactly this.....Not so sure why Buford thinks Crean is some great coach, who is gonna be in the HOF. I think he is trolling to be honest.
Because if he wins at Georgia that will be the final piece to the puzzle
His resume is already halfway written
I am aware of the conference change.....Any other goal post you would like to move? In four of Deane's 5 seasons, MU was in CUSA. The other was the Great MidWest.
Its an absolute stretch to say Crean took over a struggling program. Especially when that program was coming off 4, 20+ win seasons in 5 years, with 2 NCAAT. Deane had ONE losing season---His last.
But hey, do what you need to do to convince yourself Crean is a GREAT coach.
When a program is heading downhill it is struggling....
Wasn't the first struggling program that Crean helped with.
As an IU fan you should know Crean's connections to Tom Izzo and Michigan State
No chance you believe this.....You think if we wins 55-60% of his games at UGA....Goes to the NCAAT 45-50% of the time--par for his career---that he is headed to the HOF?
Are you on fukin dope?
WTF does this have to do with anything?
So one losing season, overall and in conference play, in 5 seasons---constitutes struggling?
Got it...
Answer the question.....Well two.
1. You think Crean is a GREAT coach? Yes/No
2. If Kansas, UK, Duke, UNC,MSU, Nova, Gonzaga jobs came open---do you think ANY of them contact Tom Crean?
Every program he has went to for an extended period has improved
Michigan State
Marquette
Indiana
And now Georgia
Crean was a main part of those early Tom Izzo teams. He left the year before they won the NC but Izzo hasn't won one since
Michigan State
Marquette
Indiana
And now Georgia
Crean was a main part of those early Tom Izzo teams. He left the year before they won the NC but Izzo hasn't won one since
Answer the questions...
1. Do you think Tom Crean is a great coach?
2. If jobs opened at UK, KU, Duke, UNC,Nova, Gonzaga, etc, etc....Are they contacting Tom Crean?
He is a great coach because he has been successful everywhere he has been.
Including Indiana
Like I said. His time at IU reinforced my belief that Crean is a great coach.
Yes Tom Crean was a huge part of Michigan State's early success.
This is the reason why he will end up in the College HoF
Tom Izzo is in his corner
You forgot question "2".
Huge part of MSU early success---Sure. Many assistant are. This isn't some type of breaking news, brother. Unfortunate that MSU hasn't been able to sutain the sucess they did during the 4 years Crean was there, huh? Maybe Izzo should bring him back?
His time at IU reinforced your belief he is a GREAT coach?
Gotcha....
A guy with a 59% career winning percentage----9 NCAAT's in 21 seasons---is writing the final chapter of his HOF career?
Yeah...
But they haven't won another NC.
Impact on the game.
Where was Oladipo ranked when Tom Crean recruited him
You didnt answer question 2....
They won the NC the year after Crean left....2000. He left in 1999.
Yaaay----He found a diamond in the rough. Nice job by him. Tell me, what did he do with the #2 and #4 Pick.....Along with a 5*PG in Yogi Ferrell? How'd that SW 16 game turn out?
If Crean is great---as you say---then why so many up and down seasons? Why couldn't he ever sustained consistency? Why would a great coach win 27 games, 29 games, then 18 and 17? Then win 27.....then 19 and 18? How does a great coach do this in his last 4 years at Indiana:
17-15, 7-11 (8th)
20-14, 9-9 (7th)
27-8, 15-3
18-16, 7-11(10th)
Great coaches do that^^^^^?
So to be clear---you are putting Crean in the same tier as Izzo, K, Self, Williams,Wright, Few etc, etc....
Also, lots of coaches have been successful wherever they have been. Doesn't make them great---makes them successful....Not sure if you realize that being successful, doesn't mean you are great.
Shaka Smart has been successful at VCU and Texas....Is he too a great coach, that is bound for the HOF?
Indiana is stuck in a rut
Where they can't get the blue chip one and done recruits
They have change coaches so frequently that it has been hard to create a program
So you go through an up and down period.
At least until you have enough ups where you can start getting those one and dones
Going to continue to happen until Indiana has a consistent coach.
Consistency doesn't come until you have a consistent coach.
The gap between Kansas, Kentucky, UNC and Duke and everyone else is huge.
Even Kentucky was at that point until they brought in Calipari.
Calipari attached the one and dones
Problem with IU is that those coaches aren't all over.
The rest of the coaches aren't good enough.
No...
Shaka took over a program at VCU whose previous two coaches were hired by major programs.
He rode the success that was established before him.
He took over a program at Texas that was heading downhill.
Hasn't fully reestablish anything yet.
But there is a belief that he can if given the time.
We will see the rest of the year and next year.
Two different circumstances.
I mean, we are allowed to be excited about our 7-0 start considering we usually don’t have that even with a cupcake schedule, right? It’s weird the snidey remarks ITT from IU fans because one person said they think he’s a great coach. One even going as far as to brag about how connected they are with the IU program in a thread where a UGA fan said they’re happy with their start. How insecure does one have to be to brag about their connections with a program when an historically bad program is happy being 7-0. Weird takes.
Anyone else starting to think Buford might be Crean's wife?
IU fans can continue this for years.
Truthfully doesn't matter to me. Trying to look out for y'all.
Because there is a good chance Crean has success at Georgia. Really good chance that they will be satisfied with the success.
Sad how entitled and delusional Indiana basketball has become. Only hurting yourself.
They never were a program that had a bunch of one and dones.
The era they won in when players stayed 3-4 years and you had the chance to built a complete program with elite talent isn't there anymore.
That elite talent is in the NBA by year 3.
Truthfully doesn't matter to me. Trying to look out for y'all.
Because there is a good chance Crean has success at Georgia. Really good chance that they will be satisfied with the success.
Sad how entitled and delusional Indiana basketball has become. Only hurting yourself.
They never were a program that had a bunch of one and dones.
The era they won in when players stayed 3-4 years and you had the chance to built a complete program with elite talent isn't there anymore.
That elite talent is in the NBA by year 3.
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The teams UK have played have gotten a huge bump for beating them. The other 3 teams opponents took Ls
Their BPI SOS is around the same as well, but yeah, I'm sure that makes all the difference when comparing 240+ to sub 25.
What do you think you guys need to do to make the tourney, conference record wise?
