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Duke's and Kentucky's football teams are doing great

I think you disagree with me just to have someting to do...:D Why would you say, "North Carolina"? ACC isn't the SEC. Their facilities are nowhere near that of UK's. Location isn't the greatest. Fan support doesn't seem close. Just seems like a silly pick.
Carolina is in the process of upgrading football facilities, but the main project is construction of a new soccer/lacrosse stadium.
 
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They have a legit shot at getting to Atlanta. Just cannot slip up, BEFORE UGA comes to town.
Schedule:
Vs South Carolina---SHould win. Can't have a hangover here. IMO, must win game. Because.....
@ A&M----Huge game. Which is why I think the USC game is HUGE.
Vs Vandy---Have to win these type of games. Have to.
@ Mizzou---This one is a toughie. Trap game, because the boys from Athens are up next.
Vs UGA--- Could be for the East title.
@ Tennessee--Have to win here. Tenn is terrible.
MTSU---Get healthy game
@ Louisville---Could be SEC East champs going into this game. SO it could have HUGE Bowl ramifications.

BOLD- L
I see 10-2. A good New Years Bowl. Just don't think UK's good enought(YET) to beat Georgia.
Tough to win at A&M....

I would take that all day long.
 
Yep. I mean there are some questionable one's in there: At Mizzou and at UT. But I think UK wins at Tenn. Missouri will be a toughie. Even then....9-3 ain't bad.
Did you see what Florida did to UT? The Vols are horrible. I would bet they only win 1 more game the rest of the season, against Charlotte.
 
Did you see what Florida did to UT? The Vols are horrible. I would bet they only win 1 more game the rest of the season, against Charlotte.
I did. That's why I said I think UK wins @ UT. But hey---its a rivalry game. At UT. So it deserves some mention simply for that.
 
Nope. Not bad at all. I’d prefer the first option. Ha
Or, ummm, run the table? I mean its not totally nuts to think you guys COULD be UGA, at home. I think winning @ A&M will be tougher than beating UGA in Lexington.
 
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Army....you just said ARMY!!! RollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaugh

So it’s not notable that they almost beat the #5 team on the road, but it is notable that Kentucky beat 2 ranked teams that have 1st year head coaches based on nothing but preseason and blowing out nobody’s? Good lord get a grip. I’m not taking anything away from UK, best team in a decade, but my goodness your bias is showing heavily. Apples to oranges. You can pick UK’s wins apart just like you can Duke’s.
 
Or, ummm, run the table? I mean its not totally nuts to think you guys COULD be UGA, at home. I think winning @ A&M will be tougher than beating UGA in Lexington.
SC opened -1.5 @ UK this week. Wish I could drop money on that line right now but it's not open yet who I bet through.
 
So it’s not notable that they almost beat the #5 team on the road, but it is notable that Kentucky beat 2 ranked teams that have 1st year head coaches based on nothing but preseason and blowing out nobody’s? Good lord get a grip. I’m not taking anything away from UK, best team in a decade, but my goodness your bias is showing heavily. Apples to oranges. You can pick UK’s wins apart just like you can Duke’s.
Army....LOLZ.
 
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Seesh. Hey can I send you $500 to lay down for me?
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They did almost beat the Sooners.
Moral victories are meaningless. Army throws a lot of teams for a loop just because they have a unique offense that opponent's are rarely equipped for, because they don't see it against anyone else. Army ran damn near 90 plays to OU's 40.
 
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Moral victories are meaningless. Army throws a lot of teams for a loop just because they have a unique offense that opponent's are rarely equipped for, because they don't see it against anyone else. Army ran damn near 90 plays to OU's 40.
Isn’t that the point of colliegete sports? If they’re not used to that type of offense that says more about Oklahoma’s preparation, especially considering it’s “Army”.
 
Isn’t that the point of colliegete sports? If they’re not used to that type of offense that says more about Oklahoma’s preparation, especially considering it’s “Army”.
Major upsets "almost" happen on a weekly basis, especially this early in the season. In this case, it didn't. Just like Appalachian State @ PSU in week 1. They have since murdered 3 straight opponents. Virginia Tech probably wishes they were as lucky. A 28-point favorite that loses is pretty rare, although I seem to recall the same thing happening a few years ago between 2 Kentucky teams, I believe it was. SmokinSmile
 
Or, ummm, run the table? I mean its not totally nuts to think you guys COULD be UGA, at home. I think winning @ A&M will be tougher than beating UGA in Lexington.

We have historically played UGA well. I can’t wait for A&M. Never played there I don’t think.
 
Why? What do you consider programs like UCLA, Colorado, Nebraska, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Miami, Florida State (as of this year), Virginia Tech, and probably another half dozen or so who all are down but with much more upside than a program like Kentucky?

Kentucky has and has always had a big upside.

I have gone around the SEC, Big Ten and ACC schools for decades to football games. The Kentucky facilities are and always have been first class. The UK following is good, but many ticket holders will not go to see the sixth or seventh loss, so the turnstile count gets lower.

I suggest that you try to remember the shit facilities that Florida State had in the 1970's and their record before Bobby Bowden. Florida's swamp was big and not very nice and you should check out their record before Spurrier. Miami has never been a good program even though they won a title. Colorado has never been great, so I struggle to understand your list.

Texas A&M, Tennessee, Arkansas, Virginia Tech and Nebraska have big upsides. Few Teams have better following than Texas A&M and Tennessee; however, I don't see the others you mention having much better upsides than UK. Just because UK has sucked in football most years has a lot to do with the pitiful decisions make by the UK athletics administration for the last 50 years.

Kentucky had Bear Bryant before Texas A&M and Alabama. Bryant beat number one Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl and the UK administration gave him a watch. That year they gave Rupp a Cadillac. Bear left. UK has always made bad decisions on football.
 
Kentucky has and has always had a big upside.

I have gone around the SEC, Big Ten and ACC schools for decades to football games. The Kentucky facilities are and always have been first class. The UK following is good, but many ticket holders will not go to see the sixth or seventh loss, so the turnstile count gets lower.

I suggest that you try to remember the shit facilities that Florida State had in the 1970's and their record before Bobby Bowden. Florida's swamp was big and not very nice and you should check out their record before Spurrier. Miami has never been a good program even though they won a title. Colorado has never been great, so I struggle to understand your list.

Texas A&M, Tennessee, Arkansas, Virginia Tech and Nebraska have big upsides. Few Teams have better following than Texas A&M and Tennessee; however, I don't see the others you mention having much better upsides than UK. Just because UK has sucked in football most years has a lot to do with the pitiful decisions make by the UK athletics administration for the last 50 years.

Kentucky had Bear Bryant before Texas A&M and Alabama. Bryant beat number one Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl and the UK administration gave him a watch. That year they gave Rupp a Cadillac. Bear left. UK has always made bad decisions on football.
The facilities aren't what made the Florida schools good. It was the local talent. There is nowhere near the amount of local talent around Kentucky that Florida has to pick from. It's night and day. Ohio and Pennsylvania are somewhat close and they've got a lot of players to pick from but Kentucky will always be behind Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame when it comes to picking up the best players from there and they're still not going to regularly beat out the southern schools + OU/Texas + west coast powers for the best of the best. It's just the way it is.

A Kentucky fan on the football board summed it up best. Kentucky's ceiling as a program is to contend for bowl games every year with the occasional chance to compete for an SEC title.

It IS possible that someday Kentucky becomes a top 10-15 program but the odds of that happening are really low and I still believe all of those programs I mentioned still have bigger upside.

FYI, Colorado won a national title in 1990 and has been to 50% more bowl games in their history than Kentucky has. Historically they are a tier above Kentucky as a program.
 
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See post below...:D

And no "shot". Just some fun. I of all non UK fans no how serious UK is about football. I"ve seen the love for the program. IMO, UK's the biggest, sleeping giant on all of CFB. I like Stoops. I just dont think he's the guy thats gonna tap in to it.

Your opinion didn't sit well with some. Laughing
 
The facilities aren't what made the Florida schools good. It was the local talent. There is nowhere near the amount of local talent around Kentucky that Florida has to pick from. It's night and day. Ohio and Pennsylvania are somewhat close and they've got a lot of players to pick from but Kentucky will always be behind Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame when it comes to picking up the best players from there and they're still not going to regularly beat out the southern schools + OU/Texas + west coast powers for the best of the best. It's just the way it is.

A Kentucky fan on the football board summed it up best. Kentucky's ceiling as a program is to contend for bowl games every year with the occasional chance to compete for an SEC title.

It IS possible that someday Kentucky becomes a top 10-15 program but the odds of that happening are really low and I still believe all of those programs I mentioned still have bigger upside.

FYI, Colorado won a national title in 1990 and has been to 50% more bowl games in their history than Kentucky has. Historically they are a tier above Kentucky as a program.

Good response Schoonerwest; however, Colorado shared a title with Georgia Tech. I can't remember them ever being considered a power.

Plus since the introduction of a football playoff their conferences have really done poorly i.e. Texas and Southern Cal won one each. After the popularity contests ended their conferences have done nothing.
 
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Good response Schoonerwest; however, Colorado shared a title with Georgia Tech. I can't remember them ever being considered a power.

Plus since the introduction of a football playoff their conferences have really done poorly i.e. Texas and Southern Cal won one each. After the popularity contests ended their conferences have done nothing.
Colorado definitely has never been considered a powerhouse. Not many schools have been though. It takes a lot more than just a few good seasons in a row to reach that level of prestige.

The playoff just started in 2015 so I think you meant the BCS? If so Oklahoma won one in that timeframe as well. The Big 12 has fallen in recent years but they’ve been arguably the 2nd best conference over the last 20 years. I think every school other than ISU (before the breakup began) played in a BCS bowl game. It’s always been a power conference (+ Big 8 and SWC) but leadership is destroying it and that really sucks. I know it’s not the topic at hand but people should remember just how good the Big 12 was in the 2000’s. They had a team play in 7 BCS title games.
 
Schooner. My only objection to your sleeping giant thing and the football boards responses is you all named schools that are or have been good teams the past 50 years.

Maybe the issue is no clear definition of a sleeping giant. But to me a sleeping giant isn't a school like Colorado, who has success as you said. Almost all of the teams you mentioned, if they were to win a championship or be very good this year it wouldn't be a surprise. It would be a "finally they are back to who they should be".

Using the sound off example, someone said USC and Texas. That's like saying UK basketball was a sleeping giant under Gillespie.

Colorado is a good example, but I think them being a better team the past few decades would hurt their sleeping giant status.
 
Schooner. My only objection to your sleeping giant thing and the football boards responses is you all named schools that are or have been good teams the past 50 years.

Maybe the issue is no clear definition of a sleeping giant. But to me a sleeping giant isn't a school like Colorado, who has success as you said. Almost all of the teams you mentioned, if they were to win a championship or be very good this year it wouldn't be a surprise. It would be a "finally they are back to who they should be".

Using the sound off example, someone said USC and Texas. That's like saying UK basketball was a sleeping giant under Gillespie.

Colorado is a good example, but I think them being a better team the past few decades would hurt their sleeping giant status.
Ok. I still think USC, Texas and others like that qualify as sleeping giants. If you are at the point where even Colorado is eliminated from sleeping giant consideration then you are at a point where the pool consists of Arizona's and Missouri's and Kentucky's and North Carolina's and South Carolina's. None of those schools are sleeping giants, IMO. All of them have a ceiling of competing for a conference title every 4 years and probably never making the CFB Playoff's.
 
They have a legit shot at getting to Atlanta. Just cannot slip up, BEFORE UGA comes to town.
Schedule:
Vs South Carolina---SHould win. Can't have a hangover here. IMO, must win game. Because.....
@ A&M----Huge game. Which is why I think the USC game is HUGE.
Vs Vandy---Have to win these type of games. Have to.
@ Mizzou---This one is a toughie. Trap game, because the boys from Athens are up next.
Vs UGA--- Could be for the East title.
@ Tennessee--Have to win here. Tenn is terrible.
MTSU---Get healthy game
@ Louisville---Could be SEC East champs going into this game. SO it could have HUGE Bowl ramifications.

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I see 10-2. A good New Years Bowl. Just don't think UK's good enought(YET) to beat Georgia.
Tough to win at A&M....
Plus Georgia plays auburn and LSU this year. That COULD be a couple losses so even if we lose to Georgia we could still get in IF we take care of business the rest of the way.

I refuse to let myself get that far ahead of myself though because I would be shocked if kentucky football beat SC, @TAM, @Mizzou all three
 
And Duke has 17 conference titles - as well as victories in the Sugar, Orange, and Cotton Bowl, respectively. So you know Duke can't be considered a sleeping giant, either. We've clearly already been there. Established program, no doubt.
 
And Duke has 17 conference titles - as well as victories in the Sugar, Orange, and Cotton Bowl, respectively. So you know Duke can't be considered a sleeping giant, either. We've clearly already been there. Established program, no doubt.
I had no idea, Duke had so much history in football.
 
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Kentucky has and has always had a big upside.

I have gone around the SEC, Big Ten and ACC schools for decades to football games. The Kentucky facilities are and always have been first class. The UK following is good, but many ticket holders will not go to see the sixth or seventh loss, so the turnstile count gets lower.

I suggest that you try to remember the shit facilities that Florida State had in the 1970's and their record before Bobby Bowden. Florida's swamp was big and not very nice and you should check out their record before Spurrier. Miami has never been a good program even though they won a title. Colorado has never been great, so I struggle to understand your list.

Texas A&M, Tennessee, Arkansas, Virginia Tech and Nebraska have big upsides. Few Teams have better following than Texas A&M and Tennessee; however, I don't see the others you mention having much better upsides than UK. Just because UK has sucked in football most years has a lot to do with the pitiful decisions make by the UK athletics administration for the last 50 years.

Kentucky had Bear Bryant before Texas A&M and Alabama. Bryant beat number one Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl and the UK administration gave him a watch. That year they gave Rupp a Cadillac. Bear left. UK has always made bad decisions on football.
That bear bryant, Cadillac story is not true. He went to A&M because A. They let him be the AD and B. UK for whatever reason wanted him to recruit mainly in state kids (sounds like something eastern ky ppl would come up with) before Bear was grabbing tons of ppl out of Ohio and PA. I know this bc there was an ortho doc in Lexington who used to play for him and that's the story he always gave.

Besides, even if the lighter story was true. Bear Bryant was only at A&M 3 years before going to Bama...meaning at best UK could have kept him 3 more years...bc there was no way he wasnt going to bama when he had the opportunity...that and he left Maryland for UK.
 
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