Duke runs clean program. K asked NCAA about Bagley read article
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The old wish it away defense.
How many college kids would get to buy that massive amount of jewelry on credit?
Not a damned one.
How many college kids would get to buy that massive amount of jewelry on credit?
Not a damned one.
I would say that 100% of college kids who have a likely future in a million dollar industry would be able to get special financing somewhere.
Especially athletes who are well known.
Especially those from a well off family who didn’t pay for college.
But listen, give Bert his narrative. He really, really, REALLY wants it to be a sign of Duke being corrupt. Because... you know... lots of colleges don’t pay athletes to come to school, and then wait until the end of their senior year to set up some jewelry buying scheme in order to fulfill some promise from four years before. Or something.
Not at all.
If that were the case, then why not set up accounts on all college basketball players? If they are in the projected NBA draft (which Thomas was not), then let them have $100,000 in unsecured loans. Sure, let us do that. Where in the NCAA rules does it allow for that?
The NCAA would go ballistic if it happened at Kentucky. UK got three years’ probation over an alleged $1,000 payment that never showed up at Mr. Mills house. Duke gets nothing over a $100,000 unsecured loan. Such crap is against NCAA rules folks, yet the NCAA did nothing because it was Duke.
If this shit is allowed, guess who would win? Kentucky, North Carolina, Michigan, Texas, Alabama et.al. can raise twenty times more illicit money than the small Duke fan base. The big fan base schools could flood kids with unsecured loans to get them to come to our schools. Duke would be at the bottom.
Thank you, just can't figure out th Duke guard that did it. Unless he got Power Forword confused with Guard, which makes about as much sense as anything else said.
Waiting to see his proof that Davis was allegedly and Thomas was fact.
Going to have to link something more credible than the New York Times @Bert Higginbotha or tuck your tail and skip home.
Hah! Yeah, those Duke folks... couldnt raise ANY money. I mean... Elizabeth Dole, Melinda Gates, Tim Cook (CEO of Apple) John Mack (CEO of Morgan Stanley) Ed Pratt (CEO of Pfizer) and Rick Wagoner (CEO of GM) and Sean McManus (President of CBS) and Dan Abrams (CEO of MSNBC) and Dave Rubenstein (founder of the Carlyle Group) and Jeff Williams (COO of Apple) and Rex Adams (VP at Exxon) and John Chambers (CEO of Cisco) and the Mercers and the dozens of senators and judges and heads of law firms and... well, you get the idea. Couldn’t raise ANY money.
Bert, a suggestion.... argue basketball all you want... but don’t for a second forget that, in the larger world that matters, Kentucky is like a flea on Duke’s ass. I mean, congrats on Wynonna Judd and everything, but please.
And, in advance, please spare me being outraged and melting at the truth. Don’t say dumb shit and I won’t be mean.
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dukies, I love you all, except for TheDude1.
I am just having fun.
Don't take yourselves too seriously.
I am just having fun.
Don't take yourselves too seriously.
Duke to the NCAA - we have this kid we want to reclassify, he has been to four high schools in four years and Nike is funneling money to his parents
NCAA - Cool
NCAA - Cool
You are 100% right and it would be 100% illegal by NCAA standards for it to happen. This is Bert's hill to die on though so I'll leave him to it.
I thought that was against NCAA amateurism rules.
I’m hurt
I like you plenty, even though I think you’re old and cranky and a bit crazy and a bit racist.And I didn’t know the problem with the thread was us Duke folks taking ourselves too seriously. I thought the bigger problem was the senile old egotistical guy who said something factually incorrect and then lambasted other people when he got called out on it, and following it up with some nonsense about Duke being poor or something. Thank you for pointing that out.
Bert must have really gotten to you.I’m hurt
And I didn’t know the problem with the thread was us Duke folks taking ourselves too seriously. I thought the bigger problem was the senile old egotistical guy who said something factually incorrect and then lambasted other people when he got called out on it, and following it up with some nonsense about Duke being poor or something. Thank you for pointing that out.
..but hey, at least he's not a pedophile.
I'm pretty sure it is. It is considered getting a benefit above and beyond what a normal student would. I mean, there was probably something shady there but I'm not sure what people expect Duke fans to say. He was gone and had no reason to talk. I'm kind of all for the student-athlete anyway so if he could get that sort of play from a jeweler more power to him. I don't like welchers so think he is kind of a crappy person for that reason but no issues with him getting his there.
Hah!
What a world... OP says something wrong, berates people who call him out, makes up bullshit, and then straight up says he hates someone...
... but the person who points out truthful stuff is gotten to?
Ahhhh, the interwebz attempts at rustling
definitely gotten to.Hah!
What a world... OP says something wrong, berates people who call him out, makes up bullshit, and then straight up says he hates someone...
... but the person who points out truthful stuff is gotten to?
Ahhhh, the interwebz attempts at rustling
..and OP is a Duke fan.
I feel at home in Duke threads now.
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The argument isn't about legality or ncaa standards. The argument is whether only a Duke player could get a private loan or not. Not beef with Bert, but he has let this control his thoughts for so long. I don't think there has been one month where Bert hasn't brought up Lance Thomas. But it's all good.
What to expect from Duke fans? Well, everyone’s different. Personally? I think he may have gotten some fishy loan. Maybe not. But maybe so. Am I terribly worried? I was. But it doesn’t bother me too much because I A) don’t think Duke had anything to with it, B) don’t think it had anything to do with Lance attending Duke C) don’t think it helped Lance in any way to have an advantage even off the basketball court and D) don’t think it was horribly immoral or anything in any sort of real, non-NCAA way. So it sucks, and I wish he hadn’t bought that ugly ass jewelry (and wish that, if things were on the up and up, he would pay on time) and I would hope he didn’t break the rules, but what can you do.
Great point on paying on time.If he made his payments, the world would never know.
If could figure out how the hell to link a photo from my iPad, I’d post a picture of a pair of cymbals. Or, as some folks call them, “high hats”. Not sure if you knew that.
Everyone recognizes that Thomas and Duke cheated on the jewelry deal. That is why the push back is so spirited.
I love it.
Also the Duke guys are some of the best on this board, but they like to think Duke would never cheat.
I love it.
Also the Duke guys are some of the best on this board, but they like to think Duke would never cheat.
That was an impressive list of alumni; however, it would appear that UK is still a much more valuable program, and it isn't particularly close. Congrats on edging out Wisconsin to make the top 5.
1 Kentucky 246,626,000
2 Indiana 243,004,000
3 Louisville 233,636,000
4 Kansas 191,193,000
5 Duke 169,814,000
6 Wisconsin 160,680,000
7 Syracuse 149,563,000
8 Ohio State 143,313,000
9 Arizona 133,850,000
10 Maryland 131,871,000
WSJ
Huh? Dude... like, three posts above I said that Thomas may have taken illegal benefits. I literally said in another post that I wouldn't be shocked if Duke paid recruits. That is more than I would wager you have ever admitted about UK or Cal. Let's not be liars, please.
And no, I don't think any reasonable person thinks Duke had anything to do with the Lance Thomas thing. What... someone in the basketball department told Lance "Come to Duke, and in four years we'll buy you an ugly piece of jewelry!" That's dumb, and I doubt you could possibly believe that. WORST case scenario is that Duke, likely unwittingly, played a player who took impermissible benefits. On a scale of 1-10 of "Duke Cheating" thats way, way, WAY down the scale.
Uh, don't start making this something that it wasn't. Your guy Bert said this dumb thing:
There is nothing there about value of a program or anything; he talked about Kentucky raising twenty times the money that Duke could raise. And I was merely pointing out that that is yet another delusional thing that Bert is pulling out of his ass.
Man, I am AMAZED at how much people cling to other fans of their same school, rather than call them out for dumb shit. Bert says SO much dumb shit it is mind blowing, but UK fans defend it? Come on now.
BTW, purely out of curiosity... that's a strange result. How did UK's program value increase by FORTY PERCENT in one year? I'd love to know the methodology behind that... feels REALLY really sketchy. Did you guys replace Rupp or add ten thousand seats or something?
Honestly, you guys have the dumbest damn poster on the board in bignish. Dude said Bagley would be better than Anthony freaking Davis. Then there's Dattier. lulz. I'll be happy to pile on my brethren when you guys start mocking your own, but in this case, Bert isn't wrong with his general sentiment.
Also, UK could easily raise 20x the $$$ that Duke could, simply due to having a fan base that is significantly larger. Hell, Duke doesn't even carry their own state. Matter of fact, not even sure they're in 2nd place.
It didn't. Everyone's value decreased significantly, and most seem to think that is a byproduct of NCAA corruption - FBI investigation, etc.
Uhh... Nish?! Dude, anyone who doesn't name Phil as the dumbest damn Duke poster is straight wrong. Dat's plenty bright, even if you disagree with him.
And yes, Bert is wrong. UK absolutely could NOT raise twenty times the amount Duke could. Who cares about the state? Duke carries THE COUNTRY. MELINDA GATES ALONE could likely outraise the entire of BBN if she wanted to. UK's endowment is a bit over 1 billion dollars. Duke's endowment is nearly SEVEN BILLION dollars, and it is one of the most valuable schools IN THE WORLD. Duke is one of the top schools in the world, with HUGE, and incredibly monied ties to business and government and law and the rest around the world, not just in a state with the 46th highest average income and in the bottom ten for per capita GDP in 2015. The people I listed just there are worth many billions of dollars, and that doesn't count 99.9999% of all Duke alumni.
Dude, you are really grasping here. UK would not raise 20 times what Duke would raise. I wonder if it could raise more, period. And every piece of actual, non-imagined evidence supports that.
Ahh, I was looking at the 2015-2016 chart. How did UK go from 244 million to 344 million? That seems unlikely.
https://graphics.wsj.com/table/COUNT_0330
I'd love to know more about the actual math behind it. You have a link to the actual research?
Okay, I've got to go play some games with my daughter; I'm being a bad dad, looking at this computer so much
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It is comments such as this that dilute your entire message. This reeks of homer. Duke has maybe 1/10 the amount of fans UK, IU, UNC, or KU have.
It will be another 6 1/2 years before they have a hint of peace in their hearts. Then my alternate wife,
Will be the next commander in chief. And it will be another 7 years for their next hope.
