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Duke fans; why the fall off in recruiting?

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im not trying to bash or anything @ll, but I would like to know your take as to why recruiting is falling off? Does capel play a role? You guys just lost the one dude to Tennessee and now it looks as though Stewart may end up at uk, after being a duke lock for so long. Coke Anthony will probably end up at unc, while Carey is trending to mst or even uk. In your opinion what has changed and why? I know y’all are after Hampton hard but he’s not lock either. Furthermore, what’s your take on Duvall taking a subtle jab at coach k? You guys will lose everything after this year and have zero studs locked in for next year. Is it panic time, and why the sudden change I’m not locking up guys you would normal have locked up? You usually have 2-3 studs ready to go and right now you have none. What has changed?
 
Kidding aside, it’s obvious that Capel was the recruiting force at duke. And the K/USA Olympic thing has faded.

Duke has always recruited pretty well. But recruiting is cyclical and I think duke’s time as the hot program is tapering somewhat.

As a program though, they’ll be everywhere this year because of Zion and crew. Will be interesting to see what happens after this year.

I miss floor slapping duke. That’s the duke we all love to hate. I like college basketball better when duke is a top 5 team of spastic wojo’s.
 
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So many theories as to what's going on, or not. I tend to think it's a little of all of it. Capel could sell. He had those boys buying stock into the "Brotherhood" club. K is a tough, hard man. Capel bridged the gap.
I still think Mrs Carter and Duval haven't helped us either. Recruits pay attention, and that could be keeping any from signing. We have been after Moore for a while, and were going after Antoine and James, plus still want Anthony. Then the bigs Stewart and Carey. We should have Bolden and Delaurier back next season.
Too many options, and maybe makes each kid feel shaky with us.
Still time, but doesn't look as bright next season as it did 2 months ago.
 
I'd personally pump the brakes on is it "panic time". Although I wouldn't complain if Duke is down for a while/indefinitely.
 
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It rings hollow if it’s a dig. Getting a bunch of high rated recruits doesn’t equal championships. Chemistry equals championships. You want great talent but the right talent accounts for much more than rivals rankings. UK has the most year in and year out and they aren’t racking up ships faster than anyone else. And that’s the standard. If your team is in the position to contend for a FF, than that’s what you want.
 
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Mac9192 said:
So many theories as to what's going on, or not. I tend to think it's a little of all of it. Capel could sell. He had those boys buying stock into the "Brotherhood" club. K is a tough, hard man. Capel bridged the gap.
I still think Mrs Carter and Duval haven't helped us either. Recruits pay attention, and that could be keeping any from signing. We have been after Moore for a while, and were going after Antoine and James, plus still want Anthony. Then the bigs Stewart and Carey. We should have Bolden and Delaurier back next season.
Too many options, and maybe makes each kid feel shaky with us.
Still time, but doesn't look as bright next season as it did 2 months ago.
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Yea but K can win with his 1 top 10 guy every year or 2 and filling the roster with top 50-100 guys mostly. Just like Roy has done last 5-6 years. I actually think K from a consistency standpoint is better when he has more year in year out roster continuity. I think K made a little bit of a mistake completely selling out to the UK recruiting theory. I think the best balance is somewhere in between the 2 recruiting philosophies.
 
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Spacegrass said:
I think K made a little bit of a mistake completely selling out to the UK recruiting theory.
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But doesn’t every elite coach go after most of the top players every single year? Was landing 3-4 top 10 players a strategy or did he just get lucky the last few years? I feel like Kansas is always recruiting 7+ guys out of the top 10 every season but they’re usually lucky to land just 1 of them. I don’t think Self would just stop recruiting the remaining top 10 if he landed 2 of them just so he could make sure he has some 3-4 year players coming in who won’t contribute much the next year or 2.
 
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schoonerwest said:
But doesn’t every elite coach go after most of the top players every single year? Was landing 3-4 top 10 players a strategy or did he just get lucky the last few years? I feel like Kansas is always recruiting 7+ guys out of the top 10 every season but they’re usually lucky to land just 1 of them. I don’t think Self would just stop recruiting the remaining top 10 if he landed 2 of them just so he could make sure he has some 3-4 year players coming in who won’t contribute much the next year or 2.
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Capel effect I guess. But K won a title with Nolan Smith , Jon Scheyer , and Kyle Singler
 
toonces11 said:
Pretty high level college players???
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Yes but far from one and done's and only Singler has stuck in the league. I guess you can count Lance "Bling Bling" Thomas since he has had a few years in the league as defensive guy. But my point is a team like that I think fits K better , talented but not elite talented.
 
Kevin Bryan said:
Along with Zoubek (5*) and Thomas. The only one outside top 40ish was Scheyer.
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That team also had Plumlee and Plumlee, both of whom are in the league, and Kelly.

But only Singler was a top five type talent.

No idea whats up with the drought for next year.
 
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bignish said:
I'm excited to see what a sophomore Tre Jones and a senior Javin DeLaurier can accomplish personally.
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Personally think there is zero chance Tre goes to a second year, although when I look at it he is lower rated (RSCI) than I thought... I thought he was in the seven range, but he was 13.
 
Kevin Bryan said:
Along with Zoubek (5*) and Thomas. The only one outside top 40ish was Scheyer.
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Neither Zoubek or Thomas were clear cut 5 stars. Those guys varied from recruiting service to recruiting service. Examples , Thomas was in the 40's on Rivals but top 20 on Scout. Zoubek (Rivals #24 and in the 40's for Scout) and Scheyer (Rivals #71 , Scout #3 SG) were same way. Also class of 2006 was weaker compared to 2007 talent wise.
 
TheDude1 said:
Holy shit, was there THAT much of a deviation in the rankings for him?! I didn't remember that! That's pretty bad:)
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Rivals appear to be an anomaly for Scheyer. He was widely regarded by just about everyone:

PrepStars.com - 28
Hoop Scoop- 13
Rivals- 71
Hoopmasters.com- 23
ESPN- 20
Rob Harrington- 21

Kind of similar with Mason Plumlee. He was ranked 55th by rivals, but he was in the top 25 by every other recruiting outlet.
 
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Mac9192 said:
You might be right. But everyone assumed Capel would take over. If so, why did he leave for Pitt?
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If Capel takes over when K retires Duke will be irrelevant pretty quickly. Besides, I highly doubt they will hire anyone with any kind of baggage whether he was involved or not (Tiny Gallon).
 
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dukedevilz said:
Rivals appear to be an anomaly for Scheyer. He was widely regarded by just about everyone:

PrepStars.com - 28
Hoop Scoop- 13
Rivals- 71
Hoopmasters.com- 23
ESPN- 20
Rob Harrington- 21

Kind of similar with Mason Plumlee. He was ranked 55th by rivals, but he was in the top 25 by every other recruiting outlet.
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I didn't remember that!

Man... very few Duke kids I loved more than Jon Scheyer.
 
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TheDude1 said:
I didn't remember that!

Man... very few Duke kids I loved more than Jon Scheyer.
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dukedevilz said:
Rivals appear to be an anomaly for Scheyer. He was widely regarded by just about everyone:

PrepStars.com - 28
Hoop Scoop- 13
Rivals- 71
Hoopmasters.com- 23
ESPN- 20
Rob Harrington- 21

Kind of similar with Mason Plumlee. He was ranked 55th by rivals, but he was in the top 25 by every other recruiting outlet.
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I know ESPN wasn't highly respected as a service back then. Scout and Rivals were the top 2 and that is why ESPN hired Dave Telep away from Scout to give themselves credibility. Scout is a nobody service now which is crazy. 10 years ago they were considered one of the best. In reality all those services were wrong. Scheyer wasn't a top 20 guy in reality nor was he a top 75 guy. Probably fit well in that 30-50 range. Usually outside of the top 10 guys , especially in a weaker class the guys 30-60 are kinda interchangeable and not a great difference in them as prospects on paper.
 
It’s different things.

Chapel was a negative recruiter and it worked when coupled with K’s “set for life” speeches. I also believe Nike was pushing for Duke and when Duke failed to deliver there was no reason for Nike to keep themselves involved especially with the ongoing fbi sht.

That’s why Cal didn’t go to the PNI. Nike was yanking players from him for K’s going out party.

Also Duke isn’t good with these OAD’s. Several of them and their parents have been hitting K hard. That’s probably as big of a reason as any.

The simple fact is K needed some NBA guys because he’s nearly done and has little in the league in terms of stardom. Cal is going to have college basketball to himself for a decade, and K saw the writing on the wall. He needed to get some guys in the league and went in this direction. He oversold many of them and it’s starting to run kids away. You think promising guys like Zion he would be a wing and not forced down low is not going to make others take notice when he’s on the block?


Of course Duke “fans” won’t believe this, but people who keep up do.
 
morgousky said:
It’s different things.

Chapel was a negative recruiter and it worked when coupled with K’s “set for life” speeches. I also believe Nike was pushing for Duke and when Duke failed to deliver there was no reason for Nike to keep themselves involved especially with the ongoing fbi sht.

That’s why Cal didn’t go to the PNI. Nike was yanking players from him for K’s going out party.

Also Duke isn’t good with these OAD’s. Several of them and their parents have been hitting K hard. That’s probably as big of a reason as any.

The simple fact is K needed some NBA guys because he’s nearly done and has little in the league in terms of stardom. Cal is going to have college basketball to himself for a decade, and K saw the writing on the wall. He needed to get some guys in the league and went in this direction. He oversold many of them and it’s starting to run kids away. You think promising guys like Zion he would be a wing and not forced down low is not going to make others take notice when he’s on the block?


Of course Duke “fans” won’t believe this, but people who keep up do.
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Yes this is totally it RollLaugh you sound like the Alex Jones of college basketball
 
morgousky said:
It’s different things.

Chapel was a negative recruiter and it worked when coupled with K’s “set for life” speeches. I also believe Nike was pushing for Duke and when Duke failed to deliver there was no reason for Nike to keep themselves involved especially with the ongoing fbi sht.

That’s why Cal didn’t go to the PNI. Nike was yanking players from him for K’s going out party.

Also Duke isn’t good with these OAD’s. Several of them and their parents have been hitting K hard. That’s probably as big of a reason as any.

The simple fact is K needed some NBA guys because he’s nearly done and has little in the league in terms of stardom. Cal is going to have college basketball to himself for a decade, and K saw the writing on the wall. He needed to get some guys in the league and went in this direction. He oversold many of them and it’s starting to run kids away. You think promising guys like Zion he would be a wing and not forced down low is not going to make others take notice when he’s on the block?


Of course Duke “fans” won’t believe this, but people who keep up do.
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We have some posters on our board that are as delusional as you are. I'll tell you the same thing, please wear a hat when you go outside. Please.
 
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