Covid: Your Town

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  1. coryfly

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    Correct. I went to Tybee Island last week and then the wife and I spend a few days without kids in Franklin this week. We wore masks when necessary. It doesn't bother me. I find the anti-mask at all costs crowd weird af. I don't mind if people don't wear one but the mindset of refusing just for the hell of it doesn't make sense to me. But to your point, all that matters is that I've been golfing every weekend. This Sunday going to this awesome Raymond Floyd designed course. It's tough but a lot of fun. Good barometer for your game.
     
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    the testing for the Covid 19 is between 500,000 and 600,000 per day, gee no wonder the cases are spiking, 500,000 tests and 30,000 test positive. what do these media people think that nobody else was going to test positive? the testing as increased from 25,000 per day X 20 times to a minimum of 500,000 test per day.

    talk about a major knee jerk reaction, OMFG shut the country down confine people to their homes, close more businesses down and put people out of work., strange that this suddenly came out after 4,200,000 people went back to work = 10% of the unemployed went back to work.

    this just pissed Biden and the Dems off to no end as that is part of Bidens attack that is Trumps fault that people are out of work while still blaming Trump for the virus.

    still waiting for Biden to blame Trump for the world wide virus infection even though it started in China, oh well Biden will start using that against Trump as well.
     
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    The media thinks Americans are stupid and will blindly follow their lies as truth. Guess some are, most aren’t. Some don’t care and bought into socialism/communism thru the years of indoctrination in this country.
     
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    The media thinks Americans are stupid. Trump thinks Americans are stupid. Biden thinks Americans are stupid. CNN, Fox, newspapers, etc... Most Americans are blindly following some idiot or ideal. Thinking one is better than another is probably the worst form of stupid.
     
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    What was the song back in the late 70’s or early 80’s? “People are Stupid”.
     
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    Some Wisconsin numbers.

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    Well, you won't be convinced because you are addicted to fear porn. But deaths are down drastically. Most cases are asymptomatic or mild. Hospitalizations are not anywhere near what you are being told and the stay is shorter due to the virus being weaker than it was and better treatment.

    Also. In Texas and I imagine other states too, they count contacts as a covid case. In one situation, a single positive test counted as 17 covid cases. In Florida if you have a cough, you can be counted as a covid case without ever being tested.

    So maybe instead of being a terrified drama queen, why don't you ask a more important question. Why do they want is to think that the virus is worse than it is. Why are they manipulating data to increase the case numbers? Why are there so many people like you that refuse to see any positive gains when there are so many and are so easy to see?
     
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    You are so weird, with your bizarre takes that I want the virus to be killing people and ****ing up our nation. What rational person would think that? My world has been crushed by this thing... can’t see friends, wife’s job tanked, whole blocks sick, job screwed up, spending countless hours prepping for school... on what strange plane would I *want* this to be happening? I want it gone ASAP, and you thinking otherwise shows me that you have no grasp on how a normal person feels, if that person disagrees with you. You accusing someone of being a drama queen in the midst of that breathless post is classic:)

    You are also so paranoid... “they” want the virus to look worse than it is, and “they” are lying about hospitalization rates, and “they” are manipulating data... "they" being this strange cabal of “the media” and “the government” (well, not the part Donald Trump controls... that other part I guess?) and “hundreds of thousands of doctors and scientists” and “numbers” I suppose?

    I am SO glad that death rates are down. That’s not shocking, given that I think the overall mortality rates will be lower than we thought, and we are improving treatment. My guess is that the death rate is even lower than we think, because of how many cases aren’t diagnosed. Yay, good news! And even better, the Oxford vaccine looks promising, and we are making millions of doses of a bunch of different vaccines to prep for approval... sounds like come the new year we should have a vaccine, and that is awesome.

    But good news doesn’t suddenly make bad news go away, and the United States is the absolute center of this thing in the world, and the fact that testing rates don’t account for new positive cases should tell you something.

    You are acting like we are doing great, that this is all ending, even though we have something like 55,000 cases a day and states like Texas and Cali and Florida are having to roll back their reopenings... but you also believe there is a national conspiracy going on, soooo...

    Hey, where I live things are going much, much better. I hope they get better for EVERYONE, and as soon as possible. It is all happening to someone else until it happens to you, and I wouldn’t wish lying in an isolation room, struggling to breath, surrounded by masked doctors, on my worst enemy... I was in the ER last year unable to breath, and in an isolation room when my dad was dying, and all of that is just terrible.

    And FYI, the only porn I am addicted to is girl on girl porn.
     
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    Dude. You just said that it was a good thing that there are probably more cases than we think but you are freaking out about the rise in cases. The deaths are not rising, they are falling. You, yourself have posted links to a study that suggested that 70% of Americans would contract the virus. They have said from the beginning that they were not going to be able to stop the spread, they only hoped to slow it down. Now we are supposed to be concerned that the virus is doing what they said it was going to do from the beginning.

    But let's get to your question about what the argument is that things are getting better. Do you not think that's a bit overdramatic seeing how it is so obvious that things ARE getting better?

    And I have acknowledged and respected the fact that you have a different perspective than a lot of people because you have lived in one of the most impacted regions in the country, even world. But I don't respect that you and many people like you continue to perpetuate the idea that we are doing so bad, so much worse than the rest of the world and all based on the rise in cases. Without considering the many reasons why.

    It is very rich that you are calling me paranoid. I have posted many links that show how they are manipulating data, changing the protocol of what counts as a covid case and misleading the public with the hospitalization numbers. You ONLY provide links that are designed to scare people into thinking that it is worse than what it is without adding any context or detail. If you think that the rise in cases is a sign of how bad it is, you are a bigger sheep than I would have ever predicted you to be. Also, tell your Democrat friends that it's time to go home and stop gathering in mass crowds to say fvck the po lease and destroy public property. Maybe that will slow the spread some.
     
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    @TheDude1 thanks for at least responding this time. And I never accused you of wanting the virus to kill more people. You pulled that one right out of thin air.
     
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    Yes, there are more cases than we know, and yes it is likely that more people will get this (the 70% numbers were pre-shut down) but that doesn't mean that what is happening is GOOD, or that the way we are reopening in some places, and the way some people are doing it, is right. There is CLEARLY more than can be done.

    It is NOT obvious things are getting better in an absolute sense when you see our totals skyrocketting while the rest of the world has gotten it under control and reopened their economies, when you see states going back into shutdown and talk of hospitals starting to feel huge strains again. There can be good news, and bad news, and right now I think the overall bad news outweighs the good.

    And I've already said people should be staying home, although again, a number of studies at this point have shown that the protests didn't seem to lead to any noticeable increase, partially because while some people protested other people stayed the heck home. While we are giving dumb advice, maybe you should tell your republican friends to stop protesting about having to wear a piece of cloth over your mouth to protect your neighbors and insisting on going to every possible place under the sun, including crowded indoor political events, while there is a pandemic going on?

    Anyway, keep on insulting away and bashing and getting personal. That's why I avoid that other car wreck of a thread, and I don't particularly want more of it here.
     
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    You will never believe that the reason it LOOKS like we are doing so much worse than the rest of the world is because of how we are testing compared to the rest of the world. Because we are a month behind the rest of the world. What WE consider a positive case and they don't. Hell, we have states that are a month behind other states that makes it even harder to compare to other countries. Also, 1 per 1 million we are doing Better than other countries in deaths and hospitalizations. But... cases.

    And if you take these lighthearted insults personally. I am sorry.
     
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    I’d say less than 10% of people wear masks out here and our state has been wide open. Hospitalizations and deaths continue to trend down. Feels good to get the best of both worlds.
     
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    Thanks. I am happy to discuss this stuff. I'm always happy to discuss this stuff. And I would be happy to read what you post and LEARN from it, because I am sure there is stuff you are saying that I do not know, although there certainly may be things I disagree with.

    But I am just too busy and tired to always have to be getting through the name calling and stuff, and I don't see any value in bothering with that sort of conversation.
     
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    @GhostOf301 share that good news with him and see how he spins it
     
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    The novels you write on here than no one reads just screams “I’m too busy”.
     
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    talked to my buddy in Orlando. Told me that in March he knew no one with the virus, but now he knows at least 15 people. Here's the kicker though. every single one of them has zero symptoms.

    Small sample size, but it appears to me that the virus is in fact weakening. The media needs to stop hyping the growing number of positive tests and start focusing only on ICU/death rate. That is the ONLY thing that matters.

    From a local standpoint here in the northern suburbs of Chicago I played hockey 3x this week with 20 other dudes, no masks and no problems. Been playing now like that for the past month with no issues.

    This thing is way overblown at this point.
     
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    I had read that there is a new dominant strain, that is far more communicable but also less dangerous. I'll see if I can find the article.
     
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    You don't seem happy to discuss anything that doesn't fit your narrative. You have yet to question our protocols for testing compared to other countries. You continue to focus on the rise in cases. At the end of May there were experts in Italy who said that the virus was clinically dead even though they were still getting positive tests. They basically stopped testing all together with the exception of essential people and people who were severely sick.

    Sweden is down to less than 10 deaths a day with never having shut down and not wearing masks.

    Germany only counts covid cases with positive tests. No presumed cases, no contact case, none of the weird guidelines that the cdc keeps changing to.

    And China? Not worth even considering that they are being honest.

    Is there going to be anything that will change your mind on cases being at a measurement of success? Honest question. I don't want to be a dick, I just want an end to this hysteria.
     
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    that sounds about right.

    When does the country realize that this hysteria about new cases is overblown and focuses completely on irrelevant information? Deaths/ICU are the only things that matter.
     
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    So the average life expectancy in the United States is 79 years old. The average age of covid deaths in the United States is 80. With 80% of the deaths coming from people 65 or older. This is not to say that their lives don't matter. It is to show that the vast majority of the people who are testing positive now are in the age group of 15-44. Which means that it is less likely to remain deadly. Not only because of the age group, but because of the weakening state of the virus.

    So when we freak out about cases and demand that we wear masks and want to keep things shut down. Keep this in mind.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/stanford-doc-covid-fatality-rate-people-under-45-almost-0

    If we can achieve a strong number of herd immunity naturally before there is a vaccine that may or may not work, that is a good thing. According to a lot of doctors opinions that I have read. Remember, there is no vaccine that has been very effective on any other coronaviruses. So it would be dangerous to count on that.
     
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    More tests, as expected more positives. In NC there have now been over a million tests. About 72,000 positives, 1400 deaths.

    So you have about a 1 in 13 chance of being positive of those tested. And around a 2% chance of dying. And many of the deaths have been the older and nursing home population.

    My county is around 30,000. It has had 57 cases positive. 5 are still active. 1 death. No fears here. I’m over it. Time to kick Cooper’s azz to the curb.
     
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    I can give anecdotal examples.My daughters boyfriend has three roommates one came down with the virus.The other three tested positive.The one with the virus was sick for three to four days and recovered.The other three showed no symptoms and resumed their normal lives after a two week self imposed quarantine.I see two doctors for different problems.One says masks are very effective and the others say they do not help and could even be detrimental.With people of my age and health problems it seems wise to isolate yourself but young healthy people cannot afford to withdraw from living a normal life.This is question that I certainly do not have an answer for
     
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    ^^^ So Trump is right again according to this Doctor. 99% of cases have minor to nearly no symptoms. Hmmm. Saw now where he was right on hydrochloraquine as well. 60+% saw lesser symptoms, shorter recover?
     
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    So another example of how the case numbers are being inflated.

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    This is the government failure that we don't acknowledge when we blame the government. These are the 6 states that forced nursing homes to take in covid positive patients vs the states that did not.

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    These graphs could illustrate the weakening of the virus, or they could be an extension of the previous point regarding nursing homes. Texs vs NY

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    More reason to not freak out about the rise in cases.

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    Good stuff Ghost!
     
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    A few questions.

    First, where did you get that initial graphic?

    Second, that covid % graph... there aren't any labels on that bottom axis. What is that? Weeks since a certain date?

    In terms of rates of infection vs death rates, that's because it is a lot of younger people getting it, I think... bc the spread is so wide now, and not as isolated to nursing homes and the like, the total number of cases is going up but the number of relatively healthy or young or not as vulnerable getting it is also going up, resulting in a lowering death rate, right?
     
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    The Florida doh.

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    Some dude puts the graphs together based on information that he gets from multiple site. He claims that anyone with a middle school education can easily find the information on the internet.

    Here are two sites that he regularly gets his data from.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    Typically he adds the source to the graphs. He didn't on those.

    The best I can make out of it is the numbers at bottom of the % graph is the week number. I tried searching, but I was on my tablet earlier, so the I just wasted a bunch of time looking through the history on my phone to copy the tweet.

    To your last part. Yes, that is a big part in the reduction of the deaths. But not the only factor. The virus is not as strong as it was. The 65 + group is even seeing a reduction in deaths. I don't know if you watched the Dr Atlas video. He dove into a lot of this. As you mentioned, the majority of the infections are in the younger age group which is what we want. Because we won't completely get rid of the virus without it taking its course. The more healthy people that get the antibodies without a vaccine, the better.
     
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    I feel like things are going to start shutting down again. :(
     
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    On the CDC's website...check how crazy low influenza deaths are this year.
     
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    He is pretty famous, but he has also taken on the mantle of being a covid patient advocate... he figures he can use his position/access to provide a voice to patients who survive but still face a major health recovery. It isn't just live/don't live.
     
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    I have a theory about this. But that is a waste of time. So this week deaths have started to edge upwards again. Not terribly surprising because deaths would eventually be increasing with the rise in cases. But then I see where yesterday Florida reported 119 deaths. That's horrible for one day. Eye opening. An alarming number. Turns out only 30 of those deaths occurred in the month of July. Most of them were from May. Same thing in Michigan. Same thing in Arizona and California. Same thing in New Jersey.



    It doesn't matter when the deaths occurred it is still people who have died. But why don't they update the death count on the dates that they happened and not add them to the daily death counts? Or at least include the fact that these deaths are in some cases, from months ago? I have an idea why.
     
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    @TheDude1 no flame. Just curious if you have a problem with how this is being presented to the public.



     
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    I am not sure, but it seems like maybe the reporting delays don't necessarily mean nobody died today; it just means they haven't accounted for them yet. I guess in a few days or whatever the lag seems to be, they will. Maybe the day-of isn't precise, but I am sure that the trends are what they are.

    End of the day, I see what experts like Fauci are saying, I see governors, both red and blue, slowing down reopenings, I see hospitals starting to max out beds, I see our case totals per 1000 and positivity rates being galaxies ahead of every other country, and some interesting points aside, I don't see us as being in a place where we are doing a good job compared to any other nation on earth.
     
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    A couple of problems here. No one is claiming that there were no deaths today. This isn't just a matter of a lag in reporting. I could see big number drops from two to four weeks back. But not 3 months. They want the appearance of 4,576 deaths in 10 days. At least it sure seems like they do. When in actuality there have been 125 (reports). When you spread 4,500 deaths out over 4 months, it doesn't stoke the fear that it does when you put it in a span of 10 days.

    Which brings me to my other problem. You like to repeat the idea that we are not doing as good of a job as other countries. But nobody is saying exactly what other countries are doing differently that makes them so much better than us.

    Our mortality rate per 1million is lower. I don't know why that never gets mentioned. Also, we just completely ignore that we are a month behind Europe, up to 3 months behind Asia. So obviously they are going be ahead of us in recovery. It's worth noting as well that we have states that are a month behind other states. Also, many countries are not testing people who aren't essential or showing clear symptoms. This is something else that is being ignored. Today we teated almost 800,000 people. Find a country that was doing that at the stage of their pandemic that we are at now. They also don't double count cases or count unconfirmed deaths as covid deaths. If they are doing any manipulating, it is to make themselves look better. We're doing it to make us look worse.

    Also. The hospitalizations hysteria is constantly being toned down by hospitals and doctors. Yesterday the percentage of non covid hospitalizations in the country was 73%. Non covid ICU patients was 60%. This is also something that gets ignored. The increase in covid hospitalizations has more to do with regular procedures getting back to normal. If you are asymptomatic and go in for a knee surgery. You aren't a knee surgery patient, you are a covid patient. As I showed you earlier, if you test positive one day and then again the next. You are counted as two new cases.

    So yes, we are still not out of this. It is still a dangerous virus for many people. But when you look at all of the facts, it is not as dangerous as it once was. It js not as out of control as they want you to believe. And you can't say that we are doing so much worse than other countries when you include all context, all facts consider all possibilities.
     
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    The information has to literally blow him back a country mile before he will concede anything that makes him lose footing. Even then...it can be explained away by liberal conjecture.
     
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