What is it that makes Iowa fans so delusional? Is it the corn?
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What is it that makes Iowa fans so delusional? Is it the corn?
no as Fran reports cheaters, and most of Dr. Tom's teams were from Iowa. at that time to get into Iowa the President had implented Ivey League standard to get into Iowa,
Dr. Tom had Presidential scholastic player playing for him,
academic standards were the highest in DI BB and even more so for the student Athletes in ALL Sports.
your defense of cheater by using the same old drivel of EVERYBODY CHEATS is getting old and is very worn out. not everybody cheats as you try to make it out to be to justify other teams cheating.
Likewise, “You’re only better because you cheat” has become the mantra for every school that doesn’t succeed at a high level.
The involvement of coaching staffs and shoe companies varies, but it’s safe to say that players virtually everywhere are accepting some form of impermissible benefits.
not delusional just posted verifiable facts.
these are the 4* players that return
CG Jordan 4* by ESPN 3* by Rivals
PG Toussaint 4* by ESPN 3* by Rivals from NYC
WG Wieskamp top 100 by ESPN #42 by Rivals from Iowa
WG Connor top 100 by ESPN 4* by Rivals from Iowa
C Garza top 100 by ESPN 4* by Rivals from Washington DC
F Patrick top 100 by both
G Fredrick Kentucky Gatorade POY 3* by both
having 2 top 100 players by both and having, 4 4*'s by both and 6 4* players overall is not being delusional, and this season is showing with the success they are having. even being short handed.
to date they have 7 quad 1 wins, 6-4 vs top 25 teams. with 2 quad 1 teams, 1 quad 2 team and 1 top 25 team left.
that is not being delusional that is reality of Iowa BB right now.
in your world where EVERYBODY JUST HAS TO CHEAT, maybe there are coaches that win with less talented players
Wieskamp only offer was from Fran
Connor only offer came from Fran
Patrick's only offer came from Fran
Fredrick's only offer from Fran
Toussaint offers were from mid major programs with Iowa from the BT which was his best offer,
Nunge from Indiana not even Indiana nor Purdue offered him,
cheat to get these Players
talk about being delusional.
It’s delusional when you respond with facts unrelated to that which was referenced.
in your world where EVERYBODY JUST HAS TO CHEAT, maybe there are coaches that win with less talented players
Wieskamp only offer was from Fran
Connor only offer came from Fran
Patrick's only offer came from Fran
Fredrick's only offer from Fran
Toussaint offers were from mid major programs with Iowa from the BT which was his best offer,
Nunge from Indiana not even Indiana nor Purdue offered him,
cheat to get these Players
You literally just followed a post bragging about the number of 4 stars on Iowa with “Cheat to get these players?”
Good stuff.
Nah...they’ll end up getting hammered for being the blueblood with the lowest payroll.
When will you Iowa fans ever learn? You're the same exact team every year. Garza is a hell of a big man, many teams would love to have him, but Iowa seems to have the same accomplishments every year. They'll be out by the sweet 16 this year and next year.
You don't get to play tournament games in Carver Hawkeye, that's the problem.
Yep, without the refs to give them that slight edge at home, they're a 16 win team.
those players were rated like thisYou literally just followed a post bragging about the number of 4 stars on Iowa with “Cheat to get these players?”
Good stuff.
Connor #92 by ESPN #112 by Rivals from the state of Iowa plus he is Fran's son
Garza #100 by ESPN #118 BY Rivals
Toussaint grade 80 outside ESPN TOP 100
Wieskamp committed to Fran as a SO and he is from Iowa top 100 by both.
Jordan is from Iowa 4* outside ESPN top 100 3* by Rivals
Patrick is from Iowa and is Fran's son
none of them are 1 n done players, cheat to get them
even in the 2020 class the best instate player top 100 Foster chose Iowa State over Fran of Iowa. cheats only in your dreams.
here are the recruits in the 20-20 class
PG Ulis highest rated @# 141 3* by Rivals no major offers Fran recruited Tyler who went to Kentucky. after 4 years of recruiting him Ahron picked Fran over DePaul who was his best offer.
SG Perkins 34th best player at his position not even these offered the Indiana native ND, Indiana or Purdue. his HS school coach contacted Fran to give him a look which he did and then he committed to Fran.
C Ogundele from England who didn't arrive in the states till he was 16 years old write up raw with a very high upside [project]
Kris Murray legacy Recruit highest rating 1* by 247 from Iowa
Keegan Murray legacy recruit highest rating 1* by 247 from Iowa.
if Fran is cheating he must be going the wrong direction.
now at the end of the season
Ulis one of the top players in Illinois
Perkin finalist for Indiana's Mr. BB
Ogundele rim protector with range to 3
Kris leader in steals, rebounding and 2nd in scoring for DME Academy Grad school.
Keegam leader in Scoring and 2nd in rebounding for DME Academy Grad School. named the Most Outstanding Player at the National Grad School Invitational. in the last 2 weeks they have led their teams to victory over #1 Nationally Ranked IMG Academy, @7 Montverde Academy and #9 Woodstock Academy.
they are the 2 best players on DME Academy
side note they were 6'5 guards when they played in Iowa 35 minutes away from Carver, now they are
Kris 6'7.5 " 205 lbs 35" vertical
Keegan 6'8.5" 220 lbs 36" vertical
both have a 7' wing span and Fran didn't offer till he watched them play in DME's showcase. the offer surprised their Father Kenyon Murray a McDonald AA that played for Dr. Tom in the mid 90's the twins were surprised as well and committed the next day then signed 1 month later.
these may end up being steals.
again cheating to get players like these only make posters look like total moron's.
PG Ulis highest rated @# 141 3* by Rivals no major offers Fran recruited Tyler who went to Kentucky. after 4 years of recruiting him Ahron picked Fran over DePaul who was his best offer.
SG Perkins 34th best player at his position not even these offered the Indiana native ND, Indiana or Purdue. his HS school coach contacted Fran to give him a look which he did and then he committed to Fran.
C Ogundele from England who didn't arrive in the states till he was 16 years old write up raw with a very high upside [project]
Kris Murray legacy Recruit highest rating 1* by 247 from Iowa
Keegan Murray legacy recruit highest rating 1* by 247 from Iowa.
if Fran is cheating he must be going the wrong direction.
now at the end of the season
Ulis one of the top players in Illinois
Perkin finalist for Indiana's Mr. BB
Ogundele rim protector with range to 3
Kris leader in steals, rebounding and 2nd in scoring for DME Academy Grad school.
Keegam leader in Scoring and 2nd in rebounding for DME Academy Grad School. named the Most Outstanding Player at the National Grad School Invitational. in the last 2 weeks they have led their teams to victory over #1 Nationally Ranked IMG Academy, @7 Montverde Academy and #9 Woodstock Academy.
they are the 2 best players on DME Academy
side note they were 6'5 guards when they played in Iowa 35 minutes away from Carver, now they are
Kris 6'7.5 " 205 lbs 35" vertical
Keegan 6'8.5" 220 lbs 36" vertical
both have a 7' wing span and Fran didn't offer till he watched them play in DME's showcase. the offer surprised their Father Kenyon Murray a McDonald AA that played for Dr. Tom in the mid 90's the twins were surprised as well and committed the next day then signed 1 month later.
these may end up being steals.
again cheating to get players like these only make posters look like total moron's.
This is beyond keyboard diarrhea. What are you trying to prove? No one has heard of any of these people. You are literally typing out every single measurement for your recruits??? "A finalist for Indiana's Mr. Basketball"..."2nd in rebounding at an Academy" What???
just showing these people that are claiming that Fran cheats to get players, yes very few have heard about these players yet they accuse Fran of cheating,This is beyond keyboard diarrhea? What are you trying to prove? No one has heard of any of these people. You are literally typing out every single measurement for your recruits??? "A finalist for Indiana's Mr. Basketball"..."2nd in rebounding at an Academy" What???
as for the Twins in their HS SR year they were 6'5 170 lbs and 6'5 175 lbs, now after going to DME Academy Post Grad school where they play against some of the best the nation as to offer, they are dominating, top 100/50 players
they have both grown 3" and added 35 to 45 lbs at DME Academy where they are taking College prep courses and are working on their skills getting ready for college.
again this shows just how stupid these posters are for accusing Fran of cheating. yet here we are with Garza a JR and mid season 1st Team AA and solidly in the mix for National POY,
former MD HC Lefty Drissel practically begged Turge to offer him, Turge declined then he contacted Fran and Fran offered and Garza chose to play for Fran.
also Lefty's son coached Luka in HS, Fran did not need to cheat to land ANY of these players.
Luka also chose to play for Fran because he allows his bigs to shoot from 3 and play facing the basket, the other players choose Fran for his style of uptempo BB.
again Fran DOES NOT CHEAT nor does he have to. unlike certain coaches [cough cough Self] they need to cheat to stay at the top. just like Stripper Money U. Miller at Arizona, and others at the top.
Maybe Fran should start cheating. Self, Stripper U, Miller, pretty much all you have names for and don't like are at or have consistently been at the top. Iowa and Fran have never been at the top. Perhaps it's time for Iowa to take the next step and become a contender instead of an average bottomfeeder like they've always been known to be.
Should see his football recruiting rundown.This is beyond keyboard diarrhea. What are you trying to prove? No one has heard of any of these people. You are literally typing out every single measurement for your recruits??? "A finalist for Indiana's Mr. Basketball"..."2nd in rebounding at an Academy" What???
not always, just the last 2 decades but that is starting to change under Fran. personnally I prefer the 4 year players vs the 1 n done players,
it will be kinda nice to have at least a 1st Team AA if not the NPOY returning, along with 4 other starters off a team that is ranked in the top 25 and is a #5 seed at the highest and a @6 seed at the lowest for Fran's best season despite playing shorthanded missing 3 starters right now and missing 2 starters for most of the season.
they have 7 quad 1 wins. they are 6-4 vs top 25 teams. that looks like a contender to me W/O having to cheat. with next year to be in position to make a deep run in the NCAAT and contend for the BT Championship.
Looking back on it, 250k was such a steal.
yeah since Kirk's team recruiting is ussually in the 40's and 50's just finished this past season #15 in the top 25. BT class standing's recruiting wise 10th, 9th, 9th, 9th and 8th out of 14 teams,
you want Fran to take thaf next step these are the players that are returning
C SR Garza 1st Team AA 1st team All BT, BT POY possible NPOY leads the team in scorind and is 4th in DI BB with 23.6 ppg. leads the team in blocks with 45.
WG 4 RSJR Connor leader on the team in assists and leads the DI in the Assist to T/O margin
WG JR Weiskamp 2nd in scoring all BT player, 2nd in rebounding, 2nd in steals with 32.
SG RSSO Fredrick leads the team in 3 point shooting @ 46.7 %, 3rd in scoring
PG Toussaint leads the team in steals, 2nd on the team in assists and 5th on the team in scoring
not to bad of a starting lineup that returns
with these for the starters the lost to begin the season
7' Nunge who has a FR was 2nd on the team in steals, 2nd in blocks with 25 and 5tb in scoring in 15.6 mpg. starting at the 3-4 and 5 positions.
a very big addition to next years team
6'1 Jordan 3rd Team All BT, all time leader in made 3's. 4th all time in assists and needs 111 to move into 1st place all time on Iowa list of leaders.
C SR Garza 1st Team AA 1st team All BT, BT POY possible NPOY leads the team in scorind and is 4th in DI BB with 23.6 ppg. leads the team in blocks with 45.
WG 4 RSJR Connor leader on the team in assists and leads the DI in the Assist to T/O margin
WG JR Weiskamp 2nd in scoring all BT player, 2nd in rebounding, 2nd in steals with 32.
SG RSSO Fredrick leads the team in 3 point shooting @ 46.7 %, 3rd in scoring
PG Toussaint leads the team in steals, 2nd on the team in assists and 5th on the team in scoring
not to bad of a starting lineup that returns
with these for the starters the lost to begin the season
7' Nunge who has a FR was 2nd on the team in steals, 2nd in blocks with 25 and 5tb in scoring in 15.6 mpg. starting at the 3-4 and 5 positions.
a very big addition to next years team
6'1 Jordan 3rd Team All BT, all time leader in made 3's. 4th all time in assists and needs 111 to move into 1st place all time on Iowa list of leaders.
those players were rated like this
Connor #92 by ESPN #112 by Rivals from the state of Iowa plus he is Fran's son
Garza #100 by ESPN #118 BY Rivals
Toussaint grade 80 outside ESPN TOP 100
Wieskamp committed to Fran as a SO and he is from Iowa top 100 by both.
Jordan is from Iowa 4* outside ESPN top 100 3* by Rivals
Patrick is from Iowa and is Fran's son
none of them are 1 n done players, cheat to get them
even in the 2020 class the best instate player top 100 Foster chose Iowa State over Fran of Iowa. cheats only in your dreams.
I think you’ve missed the point here. Why were you bragging about the level of talent immediately before dismissing them as undesired recruits? No contradiction there, in your mind?
“Ohhh lookee at all our 4 stars! This one was ranked #42 in the nation!”
Next post: “No one wanted any of these scrubs!”
Derp.
Even removing KU and UNC, something tells me that these guys each had better options than *checks notes* a team that last won its conference in 1979. Your claim is akin to a person from St. Joseph, Michigan, claiming that he'd be married to Kate Upton if it weren't for that dastardly Justin Verlander just because he's from the same area. Yeah, no.
we will never now in Dr. Tom's last season his team reached the sweet 16 and lost in the next game to the eventual NCAAT Champion UConn. Iowa missed a last 2nd 3 that would have sent them to the Elite 8.
Fran's 3 losses in the NCAAT were these
7 seed they won the 1st game then lost to the #2 seed Gonzaga
7 seed they won the 1st game then lost the 2nd game to eventual NCAAT Champion #2 seed Villanova
10 seed beat #7 seed Cincinnati then lost the 2nd game to #2 seed Tennessee in OT.
3 times they lost to the #2 seed in each region they were in.
the 1st 2 Iowa finished T-3rd in the BT yet the best they got out of it was a 7 seed,
the 3rd they finished 6th alone and received a 10 seed.
this year they are looking at a 5 seed to 6 seed, in the NCAAT, with players that the blue bloods didn't want.
You are funny.
You just type out line after line of data as if there is a point in there somewhere.
We get it. Your coach is a nerd, you are frustrated, and you want to feel like a big-timer.
By the way, are you also a Kansas State fan?
This is... not at all responsive to my critique of your assumption that, had UNC and/or KU not come knocking, those AA players would have gone to Iowa due to proximity. In any event, most 7/10 seeds lose to the #2 seed, so Iowa had largely expected results in the tournament. I'm glad Iowa is having a nice year, though.
again this year they are down 3 starters and are looking at their best seed in the past 7 season W/O Cheating. that's the whole point of thread and that cheating is helping Self be where he is, lets see how he does W/O cheating same with UNCheats, Stripper Money U or Miller @ Arizona.
in the 90's Davis kept 99% of the instate players home in this case LaFrentz got the big buck from Kansas ending up playing for Roy Williams.
in the 90's Davis kept 99% of the instate players home in this case LaFrentz got the big buck from Kansas ending up playing for Roy Williams.
LaFrentz picking Kansas was a smart move on his part. All American + lottery pick + millions made in the NBA.
Well, we all know (or should) that it’s not only athletes playing for bluebloods that accept benefits.
I don’t know the details of who recruited who on Iowa’s current roster or past rosters, but I can guarantee that the 42nd ranked player in the nation was pretty heavily recruited. If you say otherwise, you’re a potato. That’s a higher ranking than any of KU’s freshmen, btw.
Three of the seven players in KU’s current rotation weren’t very highly recruited. The one player who was tied to money (a whole $2500!) can’t get on the court.
Remember NPOY Frank Mason? Nobody wanted him before Bill’s staff stumbled upon him while recruiting somebody else. Originally committed to Towson.
Bill could take your roster today and turn it into a legit contender and win the league. As is, you’ll be lucky to get out of the 2nd round of the NCAAT.
BJ Armstrong 1st rnd pick by the Bulls = millions in the NBA 3 NBA Championship rings
Acie Earle 1st rnd NBA pick = millions in the NBA
Bullard 10+ years in the NBA = Millions in the NBA
Bowen 10+ years in the NBA = Millions in the NBA
Davis Iowa only 1 n done. = Millions in the NBA
Marble drugs derailed his NBA Career,
Lohaus 2nd rnd pick by the Celtics = millions in the NBA.
Lute players the most notable
Ronnie Lestor drafted by the Lakers knee injuries ended his career
Hanson multiple years 1 NBA Championship.= millions in the NBA.
there are others so it didn't matter who he chose, both Davis and Lute put players into the NBA
YOUR POINT other than the one at the top of your head? Kansas cheated to get him period. Kansas finally got caught and now its time they pay for cheating.
that's why Fran doesn't CHEAT which is the point of this thread, CHEATERS and NON-CHEATER. Self, Miller, Pitino all = CHEATERS, Fran = NON CHEATER.
ALSO its amazing how many and how fast some of cretins crawled out of your holes to defend a cheater and to accuse another coach for cheating and use the BS EXCUSE of well every coach cheats. to justify cheating by certain coaches that have been caught.
you defenders of cheaters need to crawl back into what ever hole youy crawled out of,
you defenders of cheaters need to crawl back into what ever hole youy crawled out of,
