Champions Classic Predictions

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  1. SheriffBufordTJustice

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    You are talking about inexperience players.
    Who knows who is ready and who isn't
     
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    I don’t see a blowout, but I doubt you expected a blowout last year either. If you did, you probably expected the reverse.

    Hard to predict the first game of the year with a bunch of freshmen and unproven returnees.
     
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    I didn’t. But I also didn’t expect Dukes freshman to be as good as they are. I don’t know much about MSU’s incoming guys, but I think it’s a safe bet none of them are on Zion or RJs level.
     
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    It’s more about the level that your freshmen and returnees like Richards will be at in game 1.

    There might be great practice reports and all, but the hype was off the charts in preseason last year.

    Who knows. I could see a blowout either way. Could see players like Whitney and Maxey starting strong and overwhelming them with athleticism, and I could see Michigan State’s experience overwhelming a team that doesn’t know what it’s doing.
     
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    Damn. That's a no contest. Good game MSU.
     
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    Is there a such thing as "preseason non-hype".

    "OMG, I can't believe you thought this was going to be a great year"
     
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    Didn't say it was no contest, but MSU's has the edge in more positions than they don't. At least at this point. MSU is coming off of a great year and returns one of the best players in the nation, in Winston. UK's best returning player is Hagans, but they bring in some 5-star freshman. A battle of experience vs. potential, IMO.
     
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    You're right. I was being more tongue in cheek than literal. One thing is for certain... we can look forward to Cal telling the nation how young this team is. Winking
     
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    Believe it or not, there's a difference between "hey, this should be a pretty good year" and "everybody else is playing for 2nd."
     
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    I can't imagine anyone saying either of those and it bothering me.

    Remember thinking KU was going to win at Rupp last year and you made that sig bet? I didn't mind you thinking you guys had a chance.
     
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    Firstly, you get bothered a lot for someone who isn't easily bothered.

    Second, I never predicted a win in Rupp. You offered a bet out of nowhere and I accepted. Expectations also changed a bit.

    Was Kentucky missing key players vs Duke? Because all I heard was that Duke shouldn't bother showing up.
     
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    I never get tired of ppl hiding behind Duke. Winking

    Just a minute ago, I brought up KU and UK, then you brought up UK and Duke.

    Also, can you link anyone anywhere where a UK fan said, "Duke shouldn't bother showing up". That seems made up. You tend to misquote a lot for dramatic purposes.

    This may come off as dickish, but there's very few posters here that seem to be on a crusade to bring down another team like you do with UK. UK fans really get to you don't they? And, we're not even rivals.


    ..yeah, I think I'm done.
     
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    You are talking about a legit Final 4 team from last year pretty much returning everyone.
    Kentucky has some more pieces than last year but if you watch Texas Tech you see how to create problems for Michigan State.

    I don't see a Jarrett Culver level player on the perimeter defensively for Kentucky.
    Culver made it tough on their guards last year.

    Someone from Kentucky may eventually become that player but not in November.

    Kentucky could eventually be a better team but it is wishful thinking for them to think they will be better out of the gate.
     
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    "Really get to you."

    "Tend to misquote a lot for dramatic purposes."

    Bit hypocritical, are we? By the way, I never said that the hype came from you.

    If pointing out that there was a lot of preseason hype last year is enough to launch you into another "crusade to bring us down" rant....maybe you need to look in the mirror and accept that you're kind of a sensitive sally.
     
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    Kansas 81
    Duke 72


    MSU 76
    UK 67
     
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    We will see. I love how some of you guys are underselling Kentucky. My post had nothing to do with how good MSU is. I was referencing Kentucky vs Duke last season. No one knew how good Duke was going to be because their best players were freshman. That will not be the case with MSU. We know what they bring to the table for the most part, which could definitely be the best team in the country.
     
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    I don’t see a blow out either way. I see a low scoring game in the 60s with either team winning by 5 or 6. We have the better athletes but experience is more key at this point in the season. Spartans should be favorite but not by much.
     
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    Haha. Callin me a sensitive sally is rich, you literally cannot shut up about UK. I rarely even think about KU. Actually, you're right. I'm the guy ate up and acting like the entire team and fanbase ran through my ass.

    Damn it, let me rephrase. I don't get the obsession. I don't get the mindset of trying to constantly curb ppl's enthusiasm or shit on their fandom. Maybe i've never been jealous of another fanbase, maybe I don't care enough. I just don't understand and I think that's why you stand out to me. You seem to have the largest UK hate boner on this board.

    Rage on friend. I'll try to ignore you stroking it in the corner.
     
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    I am not underselling Kentucky.
    Kentucky has a lot of talent but for the most part they are young on the perimeter going up against two guards that have played a lot of basketball.
    Winston is a tough matchup. Most likely won't be a future NBA star but is a college star and if he has the freedom to operate on the perimeter the Michigan St's offense goes.
    You are walking into that arena against players who have played these matchups for 1-3 years. How many big games has Winston and Langford played on this level compared to what Kentucky has.
     
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    Kentucky taking a L in that game might be a good thing because the young players then understand that they have to raise their level.
    A win might get them overconfident and that could lead to future losses in non conference play.
    You know Kentucky gets everyone's A game.
     
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    Yeah....you kinda are.

    Take a step back and maybe you’ll realize that you’re having a meltdown over one comment about preseason hype. Laughing

    Btw, how is one supposed to “shut up about UK” when that’s all you guys talk about and you represent the majority of the board? Just a thought.
     
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    You're right. You absolute nailed me and you're clearly the victim here. Carry on with your UK agenda. I'll welcome it and let your run with it without laughing openly. Don't take offense if I rarely talk about KU. I'll join you in mainly focusing on Kentucky. I mean seriously, who dafuq wants to talk about KU? amirite? Crazy UK fans talk about UK. o_O You're proof KU fans would rather talk about UK as well.....This is too easy.

    Say your last retort and we'll move on. Peace and love.
     
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    I think it will actually be a higher scoring game. With Calipari recruiting more shooters and the up tempo style, I'm think it'll be more in the 80's. Due to experience and early in the season, I'll still take MSU and the over if betting.
     
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    We return two guards from our team last year, which is actually only the second time Cal has had his point guard come back for year two. Hagans, while probably not on Winstons level at this point, will be one of the top point guards in the country. Quickley is an experienced all American coming off the bench. Maxey will most likely be our best player by the end of the year. Our guards if anything will be our strength.

    Brooks and Whitney will be be very good by the end of the year. Not sure how good they can be against MSU in November.

    Bigs are without a doubt the question mark of the team. I think Montgomery can be very good, can be being the key. Richards I’m hoping will be at least a tad batter as a junior.

    As I stated earlier, I doubt we beat MSU this early but wouldn’t be surprised at all if we did. These are two of my top three teams going into the season. Should be a good one.
     
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    Oh, Hagans, Sestina, Richards, Quickley and Montgomery are inexperienced players. Where in hell do you get that?
     
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    Haven’t seen anyone undersell Kentucky. It’s just people saying that MSU should be the favorite and they should win because they are returning just about everyone from a FF team that was also without one of their best players during that run who’s returning for another year. It’s just a tough matchup for anyone.

    Plus, they have a freshman named Rockett, so, brownie points Winking
     
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    Eh, a few posts have come off as predicting an MSU blowout or at least a comfortable margin, which I don’t agree with at all. But for the most part I’m with you, they deserve to be the top ranked team going into the year
     
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    Can any guard the perimeter.
    Hagans and Quickly are 6-3 without huge wingspans.

    Need wings against Michigan State like what Texas Tech did with Culver.

    You need length on the perimeter to cause trouble for Michigan State's guards.

    I don't think Montgomery and Sestina would be called elite perimeter defenders.
    Montgomery is decent but he is more of a rim protector

    Kentucky will eventually have a solid team but you are thinking they will come out of the gate with a bunch of freshmen ready to play.
    Doesn't happen. Nothing against Kentucky but Michigan State is clearly the favorite in that game.
     
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    Which was the last freshmen-heavy UK team to be elite out of the gates? ‘12 was, but Anthony Davis is a different beast. Plus, they had 3 or 4 really solid upperclassmen. Even the Wall/Cousins team started slow and nearly lost to a few scrubs.
     
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    You changed the subject. Kentucky is long. That was my point.

    You said they had no experience. Fact is that they do.
     
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    Rewatch Michigan St vs Texas Tech and watch what they do with Culver and how Culver impacted that game.
    Everyone has size inside.
    Length on the perimeter is different and length that can impact a game defensively.
     
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    Apparently you can't read. And then you change the subject of the argument.

    Wow.

    UK may be shit this year, but they are not short.
     
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    You aren't proving anything by listing a bunch of bigs and guards.
    You need big guards or wings.

    You really think Richards and Montgomery are going to be able to impact the game on the perimeter against Michigan State's guards.
    I think Michigan State would love for you to pull your bigs out.

    It is on Brooks and Whitney and how prepared they are to play the game at a college level.

    It is more about giving Winston issues and forcing Winston into bad shots.

    Blocking his vision and his ability to create off the dribble.
     
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    Winston is really good. He’s also around 6’1. 6’3-6’4 is long enough to disrupt, especially Hagans. Gave Coby White fits.
     
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    In fairness, White was a Freshman. Cash is a Senior. He has played one of the best defensive point guards in college basketball, UM’s Zavier Simpson, and he made him his b*tch in the 3 games against him this season.
     
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    Is Hagans really 6’3? He looks more like 6’1.
     
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    In fairness White was 6’5 and drafted very high. I don’t know what will happen but to assume Hagan’s can’t affect him is silly.
     
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