I'm okay with it now bc we won a title anyways. That win for Cuse has kept them in a state of mediocrity for the last couple of years.
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I'm okay with it now bc we won a title anyways. That win for Cuse has kept them in a state of mediocrity for the last couple of years.
He had surgery on a ruptured disc in his lower back, just a few weeks before the start of the 94-95 season. K rushed his rehab a bit, and only took two weeks off when it was supposed to be a month. He relapsed. Back got worse. Aggravated a bit on the December trip to Hawaii, long flights and all.
Last game he coached was January 3rd against Clemson. There was plenty of talent on this team, not a Final Four team. But still, we should have been safely in the tournament. As I mentioned earlier, we were leading Carolina in the second half of both games by double-digits (lost that classic 2 OT game in Cameron). Wake Forest (1 seed in the NCAAs) defeated us on a Randolph Childress buzzer-beater to win by one. Maryland (3 Seed in the NCAAs) defeated us on a buzzer beater; both losses to Maryland were by two points. Virginia (Elite 8 team) defeated us in double overtime. UConn (Elite 8 team) went down the wire to take us down. Lots of close losses against several top 10 teams. If K was there, I think we pull a few of those off - and are probably at least .500 in the ACC. We had two lottery picks on that team in Cherokee Parks and Trajan Langdon. Meek was a 2nd rounder. No way would that team go 2-14 with a healthy K running the show.
Syracuse have injuries this year? That team should looked T25 range maybe they just played a little better than normal today.
Thanks for the background. I was 11 and living in NC but completely spaced on the rehab part.
I’m not saying there wasn’t talent. I’m simply saying it wasn’t a particularly good team. I don’t think they go 13-18 or whatever it was if he’s on the bench the entire season, but I also don’t think they were going to make noise either. I didn’t consider this years Kentucky team good. They had a lot of talent, rarely got blown out, and lost a ton of close games. Same for UNC last year. They kept it close most of her time and had a chance to win, but far more often then not they didn’t. Bad teams just seem to find interesting ways to lose.
We returned 3 starters from the runner-up '94 team. And we brought in 3 McDonald's All-Americans. Certainly the freshmen weren't nearly as impactful back then, but Trajan Langdon and Ricky Price were both solid. I'm not saying we would have made a serious run. But, I think we'd at least safely make the tournament. Somewhere in between a 6 and a 10 seed. We were 2-1 against top 50 teams with K, and 0-9 in his absence. So, the next year, we actually went .500 in league play after losing 3 seniors and losing Trajan Langdon for the season to an injury. Significantly less talent, but a lot more wins. Gaudet was no K, that's for sure.
Anyone know how many times ACC COY has gone winless in ACC tourney? Asking for Mike Young and his BS COY award
Go check VTs schedule this year. They have 3 wins over tournament teams and only one of those occurred in 2021
It's happened three other times this century.
2017- Josh Pastner, Georgia Tech
2010- Gary Williams, Maryland
2007- Dave Leitao, Virginia
Mike Young joining some pretty elite company there
Noles with revenge on their minds, I'm sure, and fresh legs. This could get ugly tonight, but I'd like to think we keep playing well. Not sure what to expect really.
IIRC, that Josh Pastner award was pretty suspect. Did they even finish in the top 6 of the league?
Y’all are deep enough that I think the fresh legs might be mitigated by our guys not having played in the building yet. I’d have rather we played last night, I worry we come out cold to start the game.
I would definitely say that one of those is not like the others.
I think the UVA-GT game is gonna be tough. UVA has owned GT over the last few years but the two games this year were both really close. None of the current GT players have ever beaten UVA and they've talked about how it's a game they really want to win. We'll have to match their intensity. Beating a pretty good team 3 times in a season is tough. I think UVA is a 4-seed in NCAAs at worst but winning ACCs could move us up to a 3 so there's still a lot on the line.
That’s sort of how I feel. Honestly, I just want us to play off the 8/9 seed line for the big dance. I fear that’s where we’d be right now. I’d much prefer to be a 7 or even a 10.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the ACC COY. Seth Greenberg has won it more times this century than K.
GT finished 8-10 in 2017. They were picked dead last in the preseason poll. The top returning scorer averaged 5 ppg. So, the expectations were incredibly low. Comparable to the 2018 Pitt team. Nobody knew that Ben Lammers would have such a drastic improvement - nor did anybody know how good 3-star recruit Josh Okogie was. A lot of people were expecting them to win maybe 2-3 games. Obviously a very subjective award; I think you could easily argue that Roy, Ham, and Brey were more deserving than Pastner. GT did defeat 3 of the top 4 teams in the league, however.
And you would be right. 8/9 seeds are in a horrible situation for having long runs in March. 12 seeds have had better odds at getting to the second weekend than 8 or 9 seeds. There's a huge difference between facing a 1 or 2 seed in the 2nd round. On the flip side, I doubt many of the 1 seed would be excited about playing UNC in the 2nd Round.
Shared this in another thread, but here are the 2nd Round Results of the top 12 seeds.
| SEED | WINS | LOSSES | WIN % |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 120 | 19 | 86% |
| 2 | 89 | 43 | 67% |
| 3 | 74 | 45 | 62% |
| 4 | 66 | 45 | 59% |
| 5 | 47 | 43 | 52% |
| 6 | 42 | 46 | 48% |
| 7 | 27 | 58 | 32% |
| 8 | 13 | 55 | 19% |
| 9 | 7 | 65 | 10% |
| 10 | 23 | 32 | 42% |
| 11 | 22 | 30 | 42% |
| 12 | 21 | 29 | 42% |
Rick Fox and Joe Forte aren't scrrrd.
All because Duke University can’t handle their effing frats?
No other conference seems to be having an issue, yet the folks in Greensboro can’t even get a tourney to go 4 days without multiple covids.
No other conference seems to be having an issue, yet the folks in Greensboro can’t even get a tourney to go 4 days without multiple covids.
That sucks. Sorry our administrators (or K) weren't more sensible in handling the hotel situation. Not cool.
What are the protocols for potentially playing another game? The Round of 64 games don't start til Saturday and Sunday of next week. That gives you 8-9 days. So, maybe isolate that one player and hope for the best?
Hopefully it’s a false positive. ACC is one of the only leagues without a false positive protocol AND the league has been using some of the more error-prone tests.
At least 2 of the Covid pauses this year in the league were from false positives.
All that said, the league will have some serious splainin to do for allowing Duke to bus back and forth.
They start on Friday and you have to have 7 days of negative tests to come to Indy. UVA’s hope is that they play in the Sat/Mon games and that this was either a false positive or they have 5+ guys who can avoid the contact tracing.
Please, for the love of all that is holy and pure, no cancelations in the NCAA Tournament. Can you imagine winning a regional final on a forfeit? Get in that bubble, and stay in that bubble. Bad Move, Duke. Bad move.
Man, this is really depressing. Sucks for Virginia, flawed team but I honestly thought they could do real damage again.
really? This was Duke's first supposed covid issue the entire year. Remember when FSU canceled the game in Tallahassee because of covid issues. (Not suggesting that it was because they didn't want to play the mighty blue devils). How in the hell is this Duke's fault?
Really, really dumb decision for sure.
I’m not really sure about all the details, but I was talking about leaving Greensboro to drive back to a COVID riddled hotel in Durham each night
Yes really. Because Duke University had their hoops team travel to stay at their hotel in Durham instead of staying in G-Boro, with FULL KNOWLEDGE of an outbreak on campus due to frat rushing. And that people with Covid were LIVING in the same hotel as where the basketball team was, and then traveling back to what was supposed to be a bubble in G-Boro.
It’s dumb/arrogant of Duke, and it’s downright malpractice by the league for allowing it.
Heads need to roll in the league office.
With that knowledge, I agree that it was a dumb choice made by Duke. Especially considering that they were one of the biggest pussies about covid throughout the year. And also pretty shitty that the league didn't dictate where teams stayed. Very irresponsible to say the least.
It's unfortunate for all affected by this.
At this point I’d be cool with them cancelling the rest of the acc tournament and hope no more positive tests happen before the big dance. I think the 3 teams left are already in anyway.
