150 Most Impactful Players in 2020-21

[dukedevilz]

I've done this the last couple years. So, here it is, once again. There's actually 151 players, as I have Quade Green and Micah Potter both at #86. I was revising some of my numbers, and I didn't feel like re-doing the whole thing. I'm sure others could do better, but this is the best I can do for now. What do you all think? I'm sure I'm missed the mark on a few.

Top 150 Players in 2020-21
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
3. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
5. Jared Butler, Baylor
6. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
7. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
8. Remy Martin, Arizona State
9. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
13. Jalen Johnson, Duke
14. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
15. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
16. Evan Mobley, USC
17. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
18. Drew Timme, Gonzaga
19. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
20. Garrison Brooks, UNC
21. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
22. James Bouknight, UConn
23. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
24. MaCio Teague, Baylor
25. McKinley Wright, Colorado
26. DJ Carton, Marquette
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
28. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
29. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
30. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
31. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
32. Matthew Hurt, Duke
33. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
34. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
35. Chris Smith, UCLA
36. Loren Jackson, Akron
37. John Petty, Alabama
38. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
40. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
41. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
42. Trevion Williams, Purdue
43. Quentin Grimes, Houston
44. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
45. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Matt Coleman, Texas
48. Ja'vonte Smart, LSU
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
50. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago
51. Derek Culver, West Virginia
52. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
53. Yves Pons, Tennessee
54. Will Richardson, Oregon
55. David Duke, Providence
56. Trendon Watford, LSU
57. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
58. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
59. Kihei Clark, Virginia
60. Myreon Jones, Penn State
61. David Johnson, Louisville
62. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
65. DJ Funderburk, NC State
66. Kendric Davis, SMU
67. Scottie Lewis, Florida
68. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
70. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
71. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
72. Tre Mitchell, Massachusetts
73. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
74. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
75. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
76. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
77. Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky
78. Jay Huff, Virginia
79. Carlik Jones, Louisville
80. Derrick Alston, Boise State
81. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
82. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA
83. Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech
84. Ron Harper, Rutgers
85. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
86. Quade Green, Washington
86. Micah Potter, Wisconsin
87. Neemias Queta, Utah State
88. Aamir Sims, Clemson
89. Justin Moore, Villanova
90. Wendell Moore, Duke
91. Keith Williams, Cincinnati
92. Timmy Allen, Utah
93. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
94. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
95. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
96. Isaiah Miller, UNC Greensboro
97. Joey Hauser, Michigan State
98. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
99. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
100. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
101. Caleb Mills, Houston
102. Seth Towns, Ohio State
103. Greg Brown, Texas
104. AJ Lawson, South Carolina
105. Alex Barcello, BYU
106. David McCormack, Kansas
107. Nick Muszynski, Belmont
108. Matt Bradley, California
109. Chris Duarte, Oregon
110. Devontae Shuler, Ole Miss
111. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
112. Blake Francis, Richmond
113. Geo Baker, Rutgers
114. Paul Atkinson, Yale
115. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
116. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
117. Landers Nolley, Memphis
118. Jalen Pickett, Siena
119. Jamaree Bouyea, San Francisco
120. Caleb Love, UNC
121. Kellan Grady, Davidson
122. Rasir Bolton, Iowa State
123. Denzel Mahoney, Creighton
124. Cartier Diarra, Virginia Tech
125. Sharife Cooper, Auburn
126. Bryce Hamilton, UNLV
127. Jabari Rice, New Mexico State
128. Armando Bacot, UNC
129. Matt Haarms, BYU
130. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
131. Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
132. Jason Preston, Ohio
133. Chris Lykes, Miami
134. Kai Jones, Texas
135. Rocket Watts, Michigan State
136. Justin Champagnie, Pitt
137. Dru Smith, Missouri
138. Tyger Campbell, UCLA
139. Mason Faulkner, Western Carolina
140. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
141. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
142. Duane Washington, Ohio State
143. Isaac Likekele, Oklahoma State
144. MJ Walker, Florida State
145. Justin Turner, Bowling Green
146. Charlie Moore, DePaul
147. Tyon Grant-Foster, Kansas
148. RJ Cole, UConn
149. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
150. Aljami Durham, Indiana

First Player Missed, By Conference:
ACC- Malik Williams, Louisville
Big East- Julian Champagnie, St.John's
Big 12- Kyler Edwards, Texas Tech
Big Ten- Eric Hunter, Purdue
Pac 12- Ethan Thompson, Oregon State
SEC- Josiah-Jordan James, Tennessee
AAC- Alexis Yetna, South Florida
Atlantic 10- Hasahn French, Saint Louis
MWC- Jordan Schakel, San Diego State
WCC- Eli Scott, Loyola Marymount
Missouri Valley- Tyreke Key, Indiana State
MAC- Jayvon Graves, Buffalo
Conf USA- Taveion Hollinsworth, Western Kentucky
All Other Conferences- DeVante Jones, Coastal Carolina

 

[dukedevilz]

And here is the breakdown, by conference.

Big Ten (22):
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
7. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
17. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
23. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
29. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
42. Trevion Williams, Purdue
44. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
60. Myreon Jones, Penn State
62. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
71. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
84. Ron Harper, Rutgers
86. Micah Potter, Wisconsin
98. Joey Hauser, Michigan State
102. Seth Towns, Ohio State
113. Geo Baker, Rutgers
130. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
135. Rocket Watts, Michigan State
142. Duane Washington, Ohio State
150. Aljami Durham, Indiana

ACC (22):
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
13. Jalen Johnson, Duke
20. Garrison Brooks, UNC
21. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
32. Matthew Hurt, Duke
40. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
59. Kihei Clark, Virginia
61. David Johnson, Louisville
65. DJ Funderburk, NC State
78. Jay Huff, Virginia
79. Carlik Jones, Louisville
83. Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech
88. Aamir Sims, Clemson
90. Wendell Moore, Duke
120. Caleb Love, UNC
124. Cartier Diarra, Virginia Tech
128. Armando Bacot, UNC
133. Chris Lykes, Miami
136. Justin Champagnie, Pitt
141. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
144. MJ Walker, Florida State
149. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse

Big XII (18):
3. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
5. Jared Butler, Baylor
9. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
14. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
24. MaCio Teague, Baylor
33. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
47. Matt Coleman, Texas
51. Derek Culver, West Virginia
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
94. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
103. Greg Brown, Texas
106. David McCormack, Kansas
111. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
116. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
122. Rasir Bolton, Iowa State
134. Kai Jones, Texas
143. Isaac Likekele, Oklahoma State
147. Tyon Grant-Foster, Kansas

SEC (16):
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
15. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
34. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
37. John Petty, Alabama
48. Ja'vonte Smart, LSU
53. Yves Pons, Tennessee
56. Trendon Watford, LSU
67. Scottie Lewis, Florida
75. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
95. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
98. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
104. AJ Lawson, South Carolina
110. Devontae Shuler, Ole Miss
115. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
125. Sharife Cooper, Auburn
137. Dru Smith, Missouri

Big East (15):
2. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
6. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
22. James Bouknight, UConn
26. DJ Carton, Marquette
38. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
55. David Duke, Providence
73. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
89. Justin Moore, Villanova
123. Denzel Mahoney, Creighton
131. Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
140. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
146. Charlie Moore, DePaul
148. RJ Cole, UConn

Pac-12 (14):
8. Remy Martin, Arizona State
16. Evan Mobley, USC
25. McKinley Wright, Colorado
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
35. Chris Smith, UCLA
54. Will Richardson, Oregon
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
86. Quade Green, Washington
92. Timmy Allen, Utah
94. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
99. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
108. Matt Bradley, California
109. Chris Duarte, Oregon
138. Tyger Campbell, UCLA

West Coast (8):
18. Drew Timme, Gonzaga
30. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
45. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
57. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
81. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
105. Alex Barcello, BYU
119. Jamaree Bouyea, San Francisco
129. Matt Haarms, BYU

American Athletic (7):
43. Quentin Grimes, Houston
66. Kendric Davis, SMU
68. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
91. Keith Williams, Cincinnati
100. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
101. Caleb Mills, Houston
117. Landers Nolley, Memphis

Atlantic 10 (7):
19. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
41. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
52. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
72. Tre Mitchell, Massachusetts
112. Blake Francis, Richmond
121. Kellan Grady, Davidson

MWC (5):
74. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
80. Derrick Alston, Boise State
85. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
87. Neemias Queta, Utah State
126. Bryce Hamilton, UNLV

MAC (4):
36. Loren Jackson, Akron
58. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
132. Jason Preston, Ohio
145. Justin Turner, Bowling Green

Conference USA (3):
70. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
77. Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky
82. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA

Missouri Valley (2):
28. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
50. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago

Ohio Valley (2):
31. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
107. Nick Muszynski, Belmont

Southern Conference (2):
96. Isaiah Miller, UNC Greensboro
139. Mason Faulkner, Western Carolina

Other Conferences (4):
76. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
114. Paul Atkinson, Yale
118. Jalen Pickett, Siena
127. Jabari Rice, New Mexico State

 

[klize17]

I've done this the last couple years. So, here it is, once again. There's actually 151 players, as I have Quade Green and Micah Potter both at #86. I was revising some of my numbers, and I didn't feel like re-doing the whole thing. I'm sure others could do better, but this is the best I can do for now. What do you all think? I'm sure I'm missed the mark on a few.

Top 150 Players in 2020-21
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
3. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
5. Jared Butler, Baylor
6. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
7. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
8. Remy Martin, Arizona State
9. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
13. Jalen Johnson, Duke
14. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
15. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
16. Evan Mobley, USC
17. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
18. Drew Timme, Gonzaga
19. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
20. Garrison Brooks, UNC
21. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
22. James Bouknight, UConn
23. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
24. MaCio Teague, Baylor
25. McKinley Wright, Colorado
26. DJ Carton, Marquette
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
28. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
29. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
30. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
31. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
32. Matthew Hurt, Duke
33. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
34. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
35. Chris Smith, UCLA
36. Loren Jackson, Akron
37. John Petty, Alabama
38. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
40. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
41. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
42. Trevion Williams, Purdue
43. Quentin Grimes, Houston
44. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
45. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Matt Coleman, Texas
48. Ja'vonte Smart, LSU
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
50. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago
51. Derek Culver, West Virginia
52. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
53. Yves Pons, Tennessee
54. Will Richardson, Oregon
55. David Duke, Providence
56. Trendon Watford, LSU
57. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
58. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
59. Kihei Clark, Virginia
60. Myreon Jones, Penn State
61. David Johnson, Louisville
62. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
65. DJ Funderburk, NC State
66. Kendric Davis, SMU
67. Scottie Lewis, Florida
68. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
70. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
71. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
72. Tre Mitchell, Massachusetts
73. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
74. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
75. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
76. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
77. Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky
78. Jay Huff, Virginia
79. Carlik Jones, Louisville
80. Derrick Alston, Boise State
81. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
82. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA
83. Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech
84. Ron Harper, Rutgers
85. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
86. Quade Green, Washington
86. Micah Potter, Wisconsin
87. Neemias Queta, Utah State
88. Aamir Sims, Clemson
89. Justin Moore, Villanova
90. Wendell Moore, Duke
91. Keith Williams, Cincinnati
92. Timmy Allen, Utah
93. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
94. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
95. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
96. Isaiah Miller, UNC Greensboro
97. Joey Hauser, Michigan State
98. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
99. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
100. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
101. Caleb Mills, Houston
102. Seth Towns, Ohio State
103. Greg Brown, Texas
104. AJ Lawson, South Carolina
105. Alex Barcello, BYU
106. David McCormack, Kansas
107. Nick Muszynski, Belmont
108. Matt Bradley, California
109. Chris Duarte, Oregon
110. Devontae Shuler, Ole Miss
111. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
112. Blake Francis, Richmond
113. Geo Baker, Rutgers
114. Paul Atkinson, Yale
115. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
116. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
117. Landers Nolley, Memphis
118. Jalen Pickett, Siena
119. Jamaree Bouyea, San Francisco
120. Caleb Love, UNC
121. Kellan Grady, Davidson
122. Rasir Bolton, Iowa State
123. Denzel Mahoney, Creighton
124. Cartier Diarra, Virginia Tech
125. Sharife Cooper, Auburn
126. Bryce Hamilton, UNLV
127. Jabari Rice, New Mexico State
128. Armando Bacot, UNC
129. Matt Haarms, BYU
130. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
131. Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
132. Jason Preston, Ohio
133. Chris Lykes, Miami
134. Kai Jones, Texas
135. Rocket Watts, Michigan State
136. Justin Champagnie, Pitt
137. Dru Smith, Missouri
138. Tyger Campbell, UCLA
139. Mason Faulkner, Western Carolina
140. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
141. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
142. Duane Washington, Ohio State
143. Isaac Likekele, Oklahoma State
144. MJ Walker, Florida State
145. Justin Turner, Bowling Green
146. Charlie Moore, DePaul
147. Tyon Grant-Foster, Kansas
148. RJ Cole, UConn
149. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
150. Aljami Durham, Indiana

First Player Missed, By Conference:
ACC- Malik Williams, Louisville
Big East- Julian Champagnie, St.John's
Big 12- Kyler Edwards, Texas Tech
Big Ten- Eric Hunter, Purdue
Pac 12- Ethan Thompson, Oregon State
SEC- Josiah-Jordan James, Tennessee
AAC- Alexis Yetna, South Florida
Atlantic 10- Hasahn French, Saint Louis
MWC- Jordan Schakel, San Diego State
WCC- Eli Scott, Loyola Marymount
Missouri Valley- Tyreke Key, Indiana State
MAC- Jayvon Graves, Buffalo
Conf USA- Taveion Hollinsworth, Western Kentucky
All Other Conferences- DeVante Jones, Coastal Carolina

Lots of stuff to go through...very much appreciated as always

 

[Villian07]

Enter homer opinions on why their favorite teams players are underrated. And go

 

[Novachp]

Nice job... tough list to create and rank everyone "appropriately". No Nova complaints on this front, with the one caveat and as Villian07 said--homer opinion, Justin Moore will finish the year in the top 30. He is a stud. That is all.

 

[UL_1986]

Solid list. I’d squeeze Sam Williamson in there too as my homer opinion.

 

[dukedevilz]

Yeah, it's kind of an impossible task. The difference between player #40 and #100 probably probably isn't wildly significant. But, kind of fun to get a list going which is inclusive of all conferences.

 

[CO_hawk]

I am going to assume Gil wants to know where Jordan Bohannon is?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Franz Wagner too low




(without having time to look at the list)

 

[dukedevilz]

Nice job... tough list to create and rank everyone "appropriately". No Nova complaints on this front, with the one caveat and as Villian07 said--homer opinion, Justin Moore will finish the year in the top 30. He is a stud. That is all.

He's got potential, no doubt. I assume he would be the #3 option behind Gillespie and JRE? Only reservation is that I've never had 3 players in my top 30 from the same school. I could see him being a top 30 player if he has a higher usage than JRE.

ssume Gil wants to know where Jordan Bohannon is?

I thought he was banned? If I were going to put a 3rd Hawkeye on the list, I might go with CJ Frederick. Just not sure I can fully trust Bohannon's health.

Franz Wagner too low

Perhaps. It's very possible. I essentially have him pegged as 2nd Team All-Conference, in probably the toughest conference, so not a complete slap in the face. I feel like we've had this conversation before lol.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

Enter homer opinions on why their favorite teams players are underrated. And go

Around these parts we call that the Hail post.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

He's got potential, no doubt. I assume he would be the #3 option behind Gillespie and JRE? Only reservation is that I've never had 3 players in my top 30 from the same school. I could see him being a top 30 player if he has a higher usage than JRE.



I thought he was banned? If I were going to put a 3rd Hawkeye on the list, I might go with CJ Frederick. Just not sure I can fully trust Bohannon's health.



Perhaps. It's very possible. I essentially have him pegged as 2nd Team All-Conference, in probably the toughest conference, so not a complete slap in the face. I feel like we've had this conversation before lol.

Swap him and Henry

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Enter homer opinions on why their favorite teams players are underrated. And go

@dukedevilz I can understand why he left him off, but it will be a major impact for Iowa to have a veteran shooting guard in Jordan Bohannon returning.

The two main players everyone was waiting on to see if they would return, especially following covid, was Luka Garza, of course.....and Jordan Bohannon. There's a reason for that.

Iowa would have been a top 10 most likely with just Garza coming back given what they already return. But knowing Bohannon was gonna be a part of this year's team, along with Garza announcing his return, guaranteed people were gonna peg Iowa as a top 5 team and a national title contender.

 

[JonBuckley]

I don't see Aaron Henry (MSU) living up to the 23 ranking. It's possible but he isn't aggressive enough imo. I think Rocket Watts ends up a better player than Henry this year. Josh Langford should be on this list if he is healthy. I wouldn't put him on it until we see him play again though.

 

[MGC_07]

Yeah I’m not sure Aaron Henry will be a top 25 player in the country next year. He was better last year, but it would take a nice jump to him being a comfortable first option, which I don’t know if he has. He sometimes gets flustered with the ball. I don’t think he’s a go to kinda guy, but I really hope he proves me wrong. I think he’s should be somewhere in the 40-60 range. He’s good, a great athlete and defender, and a capable shooter, but he has to prove he has “it” before I’m ready to say he’s a top 25 player in the country.

I think Rocket is going to end up a bit higher than the 130’s though. Kid is a absolute machine when healthy. 17.5 a game over the last few games when finally healthy, all against ranked opponents, all wins.. I could also see Joey Hauser outperforming his ranking. The coaches seem to love him.

 

[dukedevilz]

I don't see Aaron Henry (MSU) living up to the 23 ranking. It's possible but he isn't aggressive enough imo. I think Rocket Watts ends up a better player than Henry this year. Josh Langford should be on this list if he is healthy. I wouldn't put him on it until we see him play again though.

A lot of options with Sparty. Potentially four different players could be the #1 option with Henry, Hauser, Watts, and a healthy Langford. With Winston and Tillman gone, obviously someone has to take on a larger role. Perhaps 23 is closer to AH's ceiling, than his true net average.

 

[AWilli6995]

I think Caleb Love is to low but that’s just me. Outstanding work as always @dukedevilz

 

[WeAreDePaul]

this leads to the big question on everyone's mind.....when is our fantasy draft this year? we doing it again?

 

[dukedevilz]

I think Caleb Love is to low but that’s just me. Outstanding work as always @dukedevilz

I tend to devalue freshmen, in general. They're such a wildcard. You always have 5-star kids that have good, but not spectacular seasons. And then you have freshmen that were rated as 4-star recruits, that end up having top-100 seasons. So, I'm always cautious with the young guys. Take a look at my postseason rankings of the freshmen that made my 150 list in 2020. In parenthesis, you will see where I had them ranked in the preseason. 15 freshmen in the postseason 150 in 2020 - and then 16 freshmen in my 2021 preseason top 150. Looks about right to me. I'm certainly missing on some of the freshmen, just don't know who at this point.

10. Vernon Carey, Duke (36)
18. Precious Achiuwa, Memphis (105)
26. Onyeka Okongwu, USC (98)
50. Isaiah Stewart, Washington (29)
53. Zeke Nnaji, Arizona (NR)
60. Anthony Edwards, Georgia (18)
62. Jahmi'us Ramsey, Texas Tech (NR)
66. Isaac Okoro, Auburn (NR)
71. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana (NR)
77. Nico Mannion, Arizona (16)
80. Tyrese Maxey, Kentucky (20)
89. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois (NR)
107. Cole Anthony, UNC (6)
119. Cassius Stanley, Duke (127)
126. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova (57)

Not a huge discrepancy between those overall numbers and where I have my 2021 preseason rankings of freshman:

3. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
13. Jalen Johnson, Duke
16. Evan Mobley, USC
21. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
30. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
75. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
94. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
99. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
100. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
103. Greg Brown, Texas
115. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
116. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
120. Caleb Love, UNC
125. Sharife Cooper, Auburn

 

[dukedevilz]

this leads to the big question on everyone's mind.....when is our fantasy draft this year? we doing it again?

I'm planning on it, yes. You game for another draft? I'll probably start tagging people soon.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Like I said last time I think the conference overrated Matt Coleman last year.

The difference between Coleman, Courtney Ramey and Andrew Jones is game to game.

I have seen people who think either Ramey or Jones will be the one who ends up on the All Conference team this year and not Coleman

 

[dukedevilz]

Trying to find other rankings. Three Man Weave is the only other site I can find. They really love their freshmen. Check out these rankings:

2. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
8. Evan Mobley, USC
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
18. Jalen Johnson, Duke
20. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
26. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
31. Caleb Love, UNC
33. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
35. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
37. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
43. Greg Brown, Texas
51. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
62. Sharife Cooper, Auburn
71. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
74. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
82. Bryce Thompson, Kansas
96. Moses Moody, Arkansas

17 freshmen in the top 100 seems like a little much, IMO (and 11 in the top 50). Granted, some classes are really, really good (i.e. Class of 2014).

 

[dukedevilz]

Like I said last time I think the conference overrated Matt Coleman last year.

The difference between Coleman, Courtney Ramey and Andrew Jones is game to game.

I have seen people who think either Ramey or Jones will be the one who ends up on the All Conference team this year and not Coleman

You should join our college basketball draft. Show us what you got.

 

[theetommyt]

Around these parts we call that the Hail post.

It is the Hail post. I will say before he gets in here that I can see Wagner being a top 25 player in the country this year.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I've done this the last couple years. So, here it is, once again. There's actually 151 players, as I have Quade Green and Micah Potter both at #86. I was revising some of my numbers, and I didn't feel like re-doing the whole thing. I'm sure others could do better, but this is the best I can do for now. What do you all think? I'm sure I'm missed the mark on a few.

Top 150 Players in 2020-21
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
3. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
4. Sam Hauser, Virginia
5. Jared Butler, Baylor
6. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
7. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
8. Remy Martin, Arizona State
9. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
10. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. BJ Boston, Kentucky
13. Jalen Johnson, Duke
14. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
15. Keyontae Johnson, Florida
16. Evan Mobley, USC
17. Kofi Cockburn, Illinois
18. Drew Timme, Gonzaga
19. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
20. Garrison Brooks, UNC
21. Scottie Barnes, Florida State
22. James Bouknight, UConn
23. Aaron Henry, Michigan State
24. MaCio Teague, Baylor
25. McKinley Wright, Colorado
26. DJ Carton, Marquette
27. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
28. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
29. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
30. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
31. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
32. Matthew Hurt, Duke
33. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
34. John Fulkerson, Tennessee
35. Chris Smith, UCLA
36. Loren Jackson, Akron
37. John Petty, Alabama
38. Mitch Ballock, Creighton
39. Sandro Mamukelashvili, Seton Hall
40. Michael Devoe, Georgia Tech
41. Fatts Russell, Rhode Island
42. Trevion Williams, Purdue
43. Quentin Grimes, Houston
44. Justice Sueing, Ohio State
45. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
46. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa
47. Matt Coleman, Texas
48. Ja'vonte Smart, LSU
49. Franz Wagner, Michigan
50. Cameron Krutwig, Loyola Chicago
51. Derek Culver, West Virginia
52. Jacob Gilyard, Richmond
53. Yves Pons, Tennessee
54. Will Richardson, Oregon
55. David Duke, Providence
56. Trendon Watford, LSU
57. Colbey Ross, Pepperdine
58. Marreon Jackson, Toledo
59. Kihei Clark, Virginia
60. Myreon Jones, Penn State
61. David Johnson, Louisville
62. Nate Reuvers, Wisconsin
63. Brady Manek, Oklahoma
64. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
65. DJ Funderburk, NC State
66. Kendric Davis, SMU
67. Scottie Lewis, Florida
68. Jayden Gardner, East Carolina
69. Jordan Goodwin, Saint Louis
70. Javion Hamlet, North Texas
71. Isaiah Livers, Michigan
72. Tre Mitchell, Massachusetts
73. Paul Scruggs, Xavier
74. Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
75. Terrence Clarke, Kentucky
76. Douglas Wilson, South Dakota State
77. Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky
78. Jay Huff, Virginia
79. Carlik Jones, Louisville
80. Derrick Alston, Boise State
81. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
82. Jhivvan Jackson, UTSA
83. Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech
84. Ron Harper, Rutgers
85. Matt Mitchell, San Diego State
86. Quade Green, Washington
86. Micah Potter, Wisconsin
87. Neemias Queta, Utah State
88. Aamir Sims, Clemson
89. Justin Moore, Villanova
90. Wendell Moore, Duke
91. Keith Williams, Cincinnati
92. Timmy Allen, Utah
93. Terrence Shannon, Texas Tech
94. Josh Christopher, Arizona State
95. Jaden Shackelford, Alabama
96. Isaiah Miller, UNC Greensboro
97. Joey Hauser, Michigan State
98. Olivier Sarr, Kentucky
99. Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
100. Moussa Cisse, Memphis
101. Caleb Mills, Houston
102. Seth Towns, Ohio State
103. Greg Brown, Texas
104. AJ Lawson, South Carolina
105. Alex Barcello, BYU
106. David McCormack, Kansas
107. Nick Muszynski, Belmont
108. Matt Bradley, California
109. Chris Duarte, Oregon
110. Devontae Shuler, Ole Miss
111. Davion Mitchell, Baylor
112. Blake Francis, Richmond
113. Geo Baker, Rutgers
114. Paul Atkinson, Yale
115. Jaden Springer, Tennessee
116. Nimari Burnett, Texas Tech
117. Landers Nolley, Memphis
118. Jalen Pickett, Siena
119. Jamaree Bouyea, San Francisco
120. Caleb Love, UNC
121. Kellan Grady, Davidson
122. Rasir Bolton, Iowa State
123. Denzel Mahoney, Creighton
124. Cartier Diarra, Virginia Tech
125. Sharife Cooper, Auburn
126. Bryce Hamilton, UNLV
127. Jabari Rice, New Mexico State
128. Armando Bacot, UNC
129. Matt Haarms, BYU
130. D'Mitrik Trice, Wisconsin
131. Jermaine Samuels, Villanova
132. Jason Preston, Ohio
133. Chris Lykes, Miami
134. Kai Jones, Texas
135. Rocket Watts, Michigan State
136. Justin Champagnie, Pitt
137. Dru Smith, Missouri
138. Tyger Campbell, UCLA
139. Mason Faulkner, Western Carolina
140. Bryce Aiken, Seton Hall
141. Prentiss Hubb, Notre Dame
142. Duane Washington, Ohio State
143. Isaac Likekele, Oklahoma State
144. MJ Walker, Florida State
145. Justin Turner, Bowling Green
146. Charlie Moore, DePaul
147. Tyon Grant-Foster, Kansas
148. RJ Cole, UConn
149. Buddy Boeheim, Syracuse
150. Aljami Durham, Indiana

First Player Missed, By Conference:
ACC- Malik Williams, Louisville
Big East- Julian Champagnie, St.John's
Big 12- Kyler Edwards, Texas Tech
Big Ten- Eric Hunter, Purdue
Pac 12- Ethan Thompson, Oregon State
SEC- Josiah-Jordan James, Tennessee
AAC- Alexis Yetna, South Florida
Atlantic 10- Hasahn French, Saint Louis
MWC- Jordan Schakel, San Diego State
WCC- Eli Scott, Loyola Marymount
Missouri Valley- Tyreke Key, Indiana State
MAC- Jayvon Graves, Buffalo
Conf USA- Taveion Hollinsworth, Western Kentucky
All Other Conferences- DeVante Jones, Coastal Carolina

Love the work you do....IMO though, two guys from Indiana that need to be on the list: Khristian Lander and Jerome Hunter. And I would puts Phinisee or Race Thompson ahead of Durham.

 

[Deathclutch]

Love the work you do....IMO though, two guys from Indiana that need to be on the list: Khristian Lander and Jerome Hunter. And I would puts Phinisee or Race Thompson ahead of Durham.

I mean, Hunter has alot of potential, but he hasn't done anything yet to show he's a top 150 player. I could make a better argument right now that Isaiah Ihnen deserves to be on the list with the way he finished the season. He averaged 7.6 ppg and 5.2 rpg over the last 5 while making 10/22 from 3.

 

[dukedevilz]

Love the work you do....IMO though, two guys from Indiana that need to be on the list: Khristian Lander and Jerome Hunter. And I would puts Phinisee or Race Thompson ahead of Durham.

I'd be a little hesitant about putting 3 IU guys in the top 150. These are the only schools that had 3 players:

Virginia
Duke
UNC
Villanova
Creighton
Kansas
Baylor
Texas
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Kentucky
Tennessee
Gonzaga

So, 14 total schools. I see Indiana as a fringe top 25 team. I did consider Lander, he was on a list of noteworthy honorable mentions. Only had 16 freshmen make the cut, though. Obviously I will be wrong on quite a bit. Always fun to see guys come out of the blue. Last year, I had Toppin at #90 - and Garza wasn't even ranked.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I mean, Hunter has alot of potential, but he hasn't done anything yet to show he's a top 150 player. I could make a better argument right now that Isaiah Ihnen deserves to be on the list with the way he finished the season. He averaged 7.6 ppg and 5.2 rpg over the last 5 while making 10/22 from 3.

I wasn't talking 150...I mean JUST for Indiana, i.e. Big 10. I think he COULD have a huge impact for Indiana. Hunter's a former Top 50 kid---as you know, missed an entire year due to a blood clotting issue. Played scripted minutrs early, then finally seemed to get his legs. Had a nice 3-game stretch vs Maryland, OSU and Purdue: 10ppg/4rpg. 4-5 from "3". Shot over 40% last 14 games of season from "3".(15-35).

I don't think he's a Top 150 player....Not yet. Certainly could be. I was just speaking terms of impact/team/conference..

 

[IUfanBorden]

I'd be a little hesitant about putting 3 IU guys in the top 150. These are the only schools that had 3 players:

Virginia
Duke
UNC
Villanova
Creighton
Kansas
Baylor
Texas
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Kentucky
Tennessee
Gonzaga

So, 14 total schools. I see Indiana as a fringe top 25 team. I did consider Lander, he was on a list of noteworthy honorable mentions. Only had 16 freshmen make the cut, though. Obviously I will be wrong on quite a bit. Always fun to see guys come out of the blue. Last year, I had Toppin at #90 - and Garza wasn't even ranked.

My mistake on the confusion---I didn't mean overall. Just talking in terms of conference/impact/team. No doubt TJD is IU's guy. I just think two guys who could have , and probably will have a huge impact, are Hunter and Lander.

 

[Villian07]

I’ll never forget the amount of shit dude caught last preseason for propping up Garza. Saying how he basically played his soph pregnant bc he had an abdominal tumor or some shit.

Then I’ll be damned if dude wasn’t spot on and then some. Hell I doubt he even thought Garza would be THAT good last year.

Guess there’s something about blind squirrels and broken clocks lol

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Last November I told the people in the B1G thread that Garza is probably as good as Frank Kaminsky and they freaked out.
He actually arrived one year earlier than Kaminsky.

After I saw him play twice I was impressed last year.

The intensity is off the charts.

 

[Villian07]

Sorry buddy, it wasn’t you that I was referring to.

It was resident iowa fan that drills each players ratings/stats/hometown/horiscope in each and every post.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

I questioned Iowa's ability to play defense last year.

The reason I admitted my mistakes. It was centered around Garza. His intensity just raised the level of that basketball team.

But you are right about Gilligan.
Believe he has been banned. So I don't expect him to be back this year

 

[Villian07]

Lolz idk what he even did but I can confidently say he earned the ban.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Lolz idk what he even did but I can confidently say he earned the ban.

He is a racist.
Probably why he liked Iowa with white players..

Melted down on the football board

 

[Villian07]

Dude was an asshat no doubt

 

[GE Nole]

It’s just hard for me to have Scottie Barnes in the top 25. Now, if you’re saying top 25 of “impact” maybe. And certainly top 25 draft pick in the 2021 NBA draft.

But if you’re saying a “top 25 performer in our fantasy league per your scoring” @dukedevilz, then I just can’t see it. He won’t play enough minutes to rack up major stats and FSU guys just aren’t given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to ACC 1st team lists.

I suppose he could get an all-Region team recognition.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Last November I told the people in the B1G thread that Garza is probably as good as Frank Kaminsky and they freaked out.
He actually arrived one year earlier than Kaminsky.

After I saw him play twice I was impressed last year.

The intensity is off the charts.

Meh.....I can see the argument, but then again, not really. I'd take Kaminsky. Better athlete...better shooter....better scorer...better passer. Garza was really good last year. But he wasn't surrounded by the guys Kaminsky was.....If Kaminsky was the guy-, his numbers would have been more than "just" 18ppg. PLus, well, one team went 36-4 and was National Runner-up. The other was 20-11.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Meh.....I can see the argument, but then again, not really. I'd take Kaminsky. Better athlete...better shooter....better scorer...better passer. Garza was really good last year. But he wasn't surrounded by the guys Kaminsky was.....If Kaminsky was the guy-, his numbers would have been more than "just" 18ppg. PLus, well, one team went 36-4 and was National Runner-up. The other was 20-11.

Senior year vs junior year

Junior year Garza was better.

We have no idea where they end up last year as well...
His Sophomore year they gave Tennessee one hell of a game. The separation between them and the team that won the region wasn't that much because Tennessee and Purdue went to OT and then Purdue and Virgina went to OT.
After Iowa and Tennessee went to OT.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Senior year vs junior year

Junior year Garza was better.

We have no idea where they end up last year as well...
His Sophomore year they gave Tennessee one hell of a game. The separation between them and the team that won the region wasn't that much because Tennessee and Purdue went to OT and then Purdue and Virgina went to OT.
After Iowa and Tennessee went to OT.

We can agree to disagree...I think Frank was more of a complete player.

Kaminsky---18ppg, 8.2rpg, 2.6apg(103 assist). Shot 41% from 3. 78% FT line.
Garza-------23ppg, 9.8rpg, 1.1apg(36 assist).....Shot 35% from 3...65% FT

Off the dribble I like Frank.
Back to the basket,give me Graza.
Perimeter----Frank
Passing---Frank
SHooting---Frank
Defense---Meh----push, I think. Felt Kaminsky could defend out of the post as well.
Mobility/speed----Ummm, Kaminsky. Garza's shadow was faster than Garza himself...