Zion/Nike

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  1. kyjeff1

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    IDK, but I keep reading comments from others that said it was just the state of Florida that put the stay in place, but the case was moved to North Carolina. I'm not sure what Florida has to do with it.
     
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    The details, as I've read are, that Zion's attorney's filed in NC before Ford filed her lawsuit. She filed in Florida because her company is based there.

    The reason Zion's attorney's filed in NC is because Ford didn't have a license or certification to operate in the state of NC, which is how Zion was able to "get out" of his contract with her.
     
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  3. Afamu

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    Innocent until proven guilty. So yes, until proven other wise, innocent.
     
  4. MrBaracus

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    Still 100% certain that Zion's family never collected? Laughing
     
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    Just curious, if a program sends letters to 80% of the top 20 guys but only averages 1 five star commitment a year, are they attempting to utilize the one and done method or are they to be included with the 360 schools that stay with the traditional 4 year approach?
     
  6. Kevin Bryan

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    The Florida case filed by the agent is a state case. The North Carolina case filed by Zion is a federal case and takes precedence.
     
  7. theetommyt

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    The NCAA is a private organization. It doesn't have to abide by innocent until proven guilty. That's only in criminal court.
     
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    Duke and Kentucky are actually just collecting the scraps left over after everyone else makes their choices.
     
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  9. Afamu

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    Yes
     
  10. Afamu

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    Oh my, thanks for the lesson. Ever hear of the phrase "figure of speech?" I bet you are hell on twitter and Facebook as the spelling and grammar police. Good for you.
     
  11. theetommyt

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    RollLaugh
     
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  12. MrBaracus

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  13. kyjeff1

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    Most schools don't want to swim in the one and done pool.

    But, there is a difference between having 1 one and done kid on your team and 4+.

    You can insert 1 stud freshman pretty easily when you have 4 or 5 veteran players to surround him with, but starting out the year with a bunch of freshmen is a completely different challenge.

    I'm not sure what point you were trying to make though. It seems like you were trying to get me to bite your bait, let me know if I did.
     
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    Your post made it sound like only Duke and Kentucky try to get multiple one and dones while the rest stick with 4 year players.

    I think there’s a decent number of schools who recruit multiple top players and would absolutely take as many one and dones as they can get. Scott Drew has been bombarding 5 stars with hundreds of letters a month for 15 years now so it’s not like it’s something that only goes on with elite programs.
     
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    I said nothing about recruiting. I said there are two schools that utilize the one and dobe strategy. If there's another program that puts 3, 4 or 5 freshmen on the court every year, please let me know.

    The fact that Izzo and Pitino try to get top 10 guys, has nothing to do with the discussion.
     
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    Is this over yet?
     
  17. Villian07

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    He’s saying plenty of schools would love to land 3-4 top ten recruits every year, there just isn’t enough to go around. Duke and UK aren’t the only schools that recruit multiple one and dones every single year, they are just the only two that consistently land multiple top ten recruits every single year. Baylor, zona, Kansas, Oregon, Washington etc would love to land multiple one and dones every single year, but there’s just simply not enough to go around.

    It’s like saying since Maxey was UKs only one and done this past season and UK only had two last year that Cal has switched back to the more traditional way, even though we all know that’s not true.
     
  18. kyjeff1

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    Okay, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

    We're talking about the amount of titles won by one-and-done programs compared to traditional 4 year player programs.

    I understand there are a bunch of coaches out there that would love to recruit more top 15 kids, but What does that have to do with this discussion?

    The bottom line is, if you want to say that Duke 2015 was a one-and-done based team, then that is 2 titles in 10 years for the only 2 true one-and-done programs out there. To me, that's a pretty good record when it's 2 against 350+.
     
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    Self seems to like the veterans with a 1 and done stud mixed in. Truthfully, I like that approach better than what Calipari is doing right now even though I'm a UK fan. When we were getting basically anyone we wanted during Cal's first three or so years here, it was a great strategy. But now we're relegated to primarily sub top five guys and the Anthony Davis's, John Walls and Zion Williamson's are just not coming anymore.

    If the majority of these guys were staying two or three years then it would be a great strategy. However, kids are leaving whether they are ready or not and we're not really getting the bang for our buck during their one year.
     
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    Ha...
     
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    You guys clearly have no idea how many top players Self (and others) pursue. Self has swung and missed so many times it’s ridiculous. Apparently you think that’s all part of the strategy?
     
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    Agree. You're definitely more in tune with that so I believe you. But whatever he's doing is working. Every year he is in the hunt and every year Kansas is typically one of the best 5 or so teams in college basketball.
     
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    He’s a great coach and can build a good team without ideal talent/depth, but he misses on way more recruits than he hits. Especially in recent years.
     
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    An examination of property tax records and Duke’s alumni database by the News & Observer showed that not to be true. While the two men shared the same name, they are two different people.
     
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    Ruh roh, Afamu....
     
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    I have no doubt Zion could have been paid by some shoe company or agent or something. Many guys are. This new revelation seems very dubious though.
     
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    A very professionally drafted contract. “This is something that we not be necessary.”
     
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    Yeah, it reads like one of those emails you get from Saudi Arabia about long lost money or from someone about calling so you don't have the feds on you for not paying taxes or something.
     
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    If you pay us $2,000 right now you will be wired $500 million in 1 week! Signed, Prince Alibaba Hertushibamanamudh of Nigeria.
     
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    You really cant be this butt hurt about Duke. Geez, read it and get back to us.

    Gullible, naive, stupid are a few words that come to mind.
     
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    OT but could you have imagined a zion/dok front court had zion stuck with adidas and went to Kansas. That would have been ridiculous.
     
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    If Duke isn’t stripped of every win in 2019 season NCAA needs to go,
     
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    This is as damning as UNC's players transcripts.
     
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    The grammar is always so bad. It is like reading many message board posts tbh.
     
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    How does this work? Does this mean UVA went 35-1 or 37-1 in 2019? Either way, one of the most dominant national champs in recent memory.
     
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    Your last sentence describes you to a T philly boy.
     
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    It is terrible. You would think they would have mastered the scam by now, but honestly anyone gullible enough to fall for it wouldn't let a few grammatical errors stand between them and their $500 million! Laughing
     
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    I 100% think Zion and his family were on the take, but I don't think this was it. Sounds fabricated.
     

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