Will Tenn be #1 in the new AP poll
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Because the polls come out weekly and are fluid, a gauge of most recent events. UVA lost most recently and therefore a drop would be more called for than a rise.
As I stated Della, poll structure gives Tenn the 1 spot, common sense says no.
That's fine. One reason I care very little about polls. But it's not because you think Tennessee has a better resume then? I'm not seeing much about Tennessee's resume that's better than UVA's at this point.
Della UVA does have 2 wins vs top 15 teams, how many do the vols have curiously?
Actually, common sense says UT #1. UT has no bad losses and less losses in general.
If you want to argue that Duke is the better talent team lb for lb., then you can make a common sense argument for that.
Two top 10 wins - whether fair or not, you use the ranking at the time you beat them.
But UVA has no bad losses and the same # of losses in general as UT. And we have better wins. But common sense says UT should be ahead of UVA, right?
1, but that was against a #1 ranked team. How many #1 ranked teams has UVA beaten?
Ha! I was thinking of Va Tech and Terps, does UVA have another top ten win without looking at their schedule?
We beat the shit out of FSU. We were up 29 with 3 minutes left, put in the walkons, and ended up winning by 13. They went on a 16-0 run against our walkons lol
Technically, Maryland was 24 when we beat you guys. But your record since shows that's an even better win than the ranking might suggest.
Just because you refuse to present an argument against the fluidity of the weekly polls and their measuring most recent events doesn't mean it is not still sitting out there crushing your points.
Tennessee and UVA have the same record, but UT has won 12 in a row and UVA has lost 1 in a row. Do you suggest that losing doesn't matter? Do you think UVA should be rewarded for losing to Duke by climbing in the polls to #1?
My bad, I do remember the FSU UVA game now.
Also about Terps UVA, who would have thought than the Terps could possible be a top ten team (- if they beat MSU tomorrow)
I never disagreed with your main point about the fluidity of the polls or even that UT should be ranked ahead of UVA. I just don't think your arguments regarding "common sense" about why UT should be over Duke made any sense because you weren't using fluidity as an argument. You were using wins and losses as your primary argument. Then, when I say that UVA and UT have the same wins and losses, then you bring in a different measurement. That's all.
Head to head on a neutral court, UVA beats Tenn 8 out of 10 times.
UT will be ranked higher this week because midseason polls are meaningless
UT will be ranked higher this week because midseason polls are meaningless
jhmossy, I like you for some reason, maybe it's just your name. Regardless, I use different different points when it suits my argument. UT's case against Duke may have some similarities to it's case against UVA due to the afore mentioned all being top 5 teams, but there are differences. The number one difference being that Duke has two losses and that one of their losses was to an unranked team.
However, I did not contradict myself switching arguments. I just chose to use a different weapon to fight a different type of opponent.
You probably like me because I am arguably one of the most rational posters on this board. I don't hide my tail when my team loses (despite having the most historic loss in history) and I don't beat my chest too much when my team wins. I'm also hilarious and have the ability to troll/flame people about as good as anyone on this board. I'm also incredibly humble.
Tennessee is not, and should not be ranked number 1.
However, Duke and Virginia are often ranked far, far higher than they should be.
I just hope that Kentucky stays out of the top ten. I want Kentucky to sneak up of Mississippi State and Kansas.Eyeroll
Tennessee is and should be #1.
But don’t be surprised to see duke stay there
But don’t be surprised to see duke stay there
Taking a break from Princess Anna Day for this quick answer.
We’re still good, Bert! Just couldn’t resist the chance to needle you a little about the Vols
I love the Ghost. One of the good guys who roots for the wrong team! Winking
We plan on making your dreams come true Bert.
Rankings are a combination of several things. While somewhat interchangeable, these are the factors in order of those considered most seriously:
1) Record
2) Public perception of how good your team currently is
3) Recency of loss(es)
4) Historical perception of your program
5) Quality of wins
6) Quality (or lack thereof) of losses
Head to head will also come into the equation when teams that have played are right next to each other.
Tennessee is looking good in 1, 2, 3, and 6. Just okay in 5. Behind in 4.
Duke is a step behind on 1, 3, and 6. Looks good in 2, 4, and 5.
UVA is good with 1, 2, and 6. Just okay on 5. Behind on 3 and 4.
Michigan is good with 1 and 2. Falling short on 3-6.
Taking all that, I think the polls will be Tennessee, Duke, UVA, and Michigan, though there’s a chance Gonzaga passes Michigan (though I think not due to record.
1) Record
2) Public perception of how good your team currently is
3) Recency of loss(es)
4) Historical perception of your program
5) Quality of wins
6) Quality (or lack thereof) of losses
Head to head will also come into the equation when teams that have played are right next to each other.
Tennessee is looking good in 1, 2, 3, and 6. Just okay in 5. Behind in 4.
Duke is a step behind on 1, 3, and 6. Looks good in 2, 4, and 5.
UVA is good with 1, 2, and 6. Just okay on 5. Behind on 3 and 4.
Michigan is good with 1 and 2. Falling short on 3-6.
Taking all that, I think the polls will be Tennessee, Duke, UVA, and Michigan, though there’s a chance Gonzaga passes Michigan (though I think not due to record.
Tennessee will have the top spot tomorrow when the rankings come out. They’ve earned it.
I dont understand some of this. So Duke is behind on quality (or lack thereof) of losses, but Duke only has two losses... one to the number three team in the nation by a bucket, and another to a team that’s a top 40 KenPom team with a unique defense which Duke last-second played against without both their PG and their best three point shooter. How does that work?
Simple. You’re comparing them to the other teams vying for #1. This a thread about exactly that.
Who has the worst losses?
Team 1: vs Kansas in OT on a neutral court
Team 2: vs Duke at Duke
Team 3: vs Wisconsin at Wisconsin
Team 4: vs Gonzaga on a neutral court and vs Syracuse at home
When compared to the others, Duke is behind on this particular factor.
how about a common opponent.duke lost to gonzaga and tennessee beat them.
Not that it matters THAT much, but Louisville will be ranked in the new poll and UT beat them by double digits
I'd say it goes.
1) Record
2) Recency of loss(es)
3)Public perception of how good your team is
4)Quality of wins
5)Historical perception of your program
6) Quality (or lack thereof) of losses
And when you say ahead or a step behind, who are you comparing them too? Like when you say Virginia is behind on historical perception, if comparing them to Duke I'd agree but if comparing them to Tenn I'd say they are ahead. Also I'd say Tennessee(1W vs Top 25) is a step behind in Quality wins and Virginia(4W vs Top 25) is a step ahead.
With that said, I fully expect Tennessee to be #1 in the polls and have no complaints about it. I'm more curious how they will position Duke, Virginia, Michigan.
All the statistical rankings have UT at around 5...... They might make #1 in the AP, but doubtful.
Kenpom 5
Sagarin 5
Net 4
BPI 5
Kenpom 5
Sagarin 5
Net 4
BPI 5
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