He is recruiting great, and he led the Heels to a near national title last year. But is he long-term head coaching material at a top program?
Not if his players dont begin to respect him a lot more in the near future.He is recruiting great, and he led the Heels to a near national title last year. But is he long-term head coaching material at a top program?
Roy averaged losing 9 games per year @ UNC. He lost at least 8 games more times than he didn't. He lost 6 games or less 3x in 18 years.I think the only reason why he’s not getting more pressure right now is because UNC had a ridiculous run from March 1st on (7-2 including a 5-1 NCAA tourney. They were 23-8 heading into the ACC tournament and if they win out the rest of their regular season, they will head to the ACC tournament 23-8 again.
He can’t get away with 23-8 regular seasons for long unless he’s continually sneaking into Elite 8’s and Final Four’s…and that’s a big ask. You can have occasional 8 loss regular seasons but that can’t be the norm. I just don’t think they will accept that year over year.
Keep in mind there aren't a lot of good coaches out there. As long as he's pulling talent I think he's hanging around winning enough to make it pretty tough to can the guy. If your recruiting takes a hit he's got problems. But y'all have also done well in the portal both years with him too.No, I don't think so. They run bad offense and their defensive principles are awful. OTOH, this group of players also caused Roy to retire so maybe it's just them. We'll find out soon enough.
Yeah I was reading that thinking----"huh'? 23-8 seasons are unacceptable? With the OOC schedule they play, plus the ACC...Roy averaged losing 9 games per year @ UNC. He lost at least 8 games more times than he didn't. He lost 6 games or less 3x in 18 years.
Why do you think they would hold Hubert to a higher standard than Roy?
As I said, 8 or more losses before the ACC tournament…not for the year.Roy averaged losing 9 games per year @ UNC. He lost at least 8 games more times than he didn't. He lost 6 games or less 3x in 18 years.
Why do you think they would hold Hubert to a higher standard than Roy?
We need a will Scheyer be the Duke coach in 5 years.
This year is a complete lack of talent.
As I have said for years, HS rankings mean nothing.Bunch of scrubs
My bad overlooked the reg season reference.As I said, 8 or more losses before the ACC tournament…not for the year.
In this example, we are saying 6 or fewer years for Davis. So looking at Roy’s first 6 years, he had 8 losses before the ACC tournament exactly once. He also had two NC’s, a Final Four, and an Elite 8. If Davis is getting those finishes with 8 losses in the regular season, he will survive…and I said that…but that’s a big ask.
I will also say that if Roy’s first 5 years at UNC looked like most of his final decade there, he doesn’t make it either. Roy got extra runway because of those first 6 years. Outside of that two year stretch where they went runner up/NC (15-17 maybe?), Roy’s last decade was rough.
5 years?! Even a natty isn't usually guaranteeing that kind of job security, depending on the AD. Just look at college football recently. Chizik and Orgeron have both been canned 2 years after winning a championship.Its hard to tell, but that NCAA tournament run last year surely has bought him at least 5 years. Beyond that, we will see. I believe most UNC fans have understood the glory days are far over, so expectation is enough low for Davis. If he takes them consistently to NCAA tournament he will be fine, a final 4 run will guarantee him another 5 years. Hes only on hot seat if they fail to make the tournament 2 years in a row, which I dont see happening anytime soon.
100%He is recruiting great, and he led the Heels to a near national title last year. But is he long-term head coaching material at a top program?
In the scenario I laid out, I assumed that he was consistently in the 23-8 range heading into the ACC tournament. It’s just a scenario and not a prediction before anyone jumps down my throat.My bad overlooked the reg season reference.
You're putting a lot of weight on a difference of 2 more losses in a season. You're talking about a ranking gap of 4-8 places roughly. But this could also be the difference of winning the ACC reg season or not winning it. So maybe a fair point.
Roy's early years did probably make it tougher to can him. He still lost 8+ reg season games 8x out of 18 years and left on his terms.
We'll see what happens.
Was this job always for Hubert or did a few others turn it down?
I like it.In the scenario I laid out, I assumed that he was consistently in the 23-8 range heading into the ACC tournament. It’s just a scenario and not a prediction before anyone jumps down my throat.
If we assume that of the 8 losses, 2-3 are going to happen in the non-con. UNC regularly plays somewhere in the ballpark of 4 high end opponents annually. To keep it clean, I’m assuming that they are dropping 2-3 of those. That translates to 5-6 losses in conference play which normally leads to a finish somewhere between 3rd and 5th in the league.
As far as rankings go, most teams with 8 losses after the final week of the regular season are somewhere between 20th and unranked. There are some exceptions to that where teams are ranked higher, but for the most part 20+ is what you can expect.
Major conference programs with that type of resume are normally seeded on the 5 or 6 line for the NCAA tournament. They’ve been seeded as high as the two line and as low as the 9 line but normally they’re in that 5-6 range.
So to frame the question differently, is UNC going to be okay consistently losing 2-3 of their 4 marquee non-con games, consistently finishing 3rd-5th in conference, finishing the regular season ranked outside the top 20, and getting seeded 5th or 6th in the NCAA tournament?
I don’t think they will be unless he’s consistently able to get hot in March and get into the Elite 8 or Final Four.
It’s all relative. There are a lot of schools out there that would kill to have those results. I just don’t think UNC is one of those schools. I don’t think Duke, Kansas, UK, etc. are either. Thinking of those schools, you don’t have to win an NC every year, but you’ve got to be in the hunt annually.
Coach Davis will be there for 10-15 yearsNo. Caught lightning in a bottle last year. It's a dereliction of duty for those guards to jack up the shots they've been shooting. Bacot goes long stretches without touching the ball.
I don’t think he will be the coach 3 years from now. The decision makers at unc aren’t going to f*** around when it comes to the basketball program underperforming.
I agree. It is especially relevant here since some of the decision makers thought it was a mistake anyway.
I will take that bet.Coach Davis will be there for 10-15 years
What have people been saying about Hubert? Underwhelming coach, motivator, something else?
Seems like Trimble could help out a lot with the defensive woes - though, he might be a liability on offense at this point. And how Love is able to get 15 shots a game, given his inefficiency, is just beyond me.
I agree. It is especially relevant here since some of the decision makers thought it was a mistake anyway.
People always point to the run last year but that was pretty flukey. It was awesome but flukey. They were a Dontrez Styles (dude who can't get get a minute of playing time now and certainly can't shoot) three point miss away from losing in the second round like they were supposed to. They made a bunch of clutch shots that were mostly guarded.
I bet you start wearing Davis now as an avatar, and after he gets fired I'll wear it twice as long.I will take that bet.
It almost feels like last years’ run was more divine intervention than fluky. Like God dislikes Duke so much that he gave UNC extra juice just to end coach k’s career.
It wouldn't have been the same if UK ended his career like you all did.It almost feels like last years’ run was more divine intervention than fluky. Like God dislikes Duke so much that he gave UNC extra juice just to end coach k’s career.
Flop.