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Look, I like Roy and always have. Used to go to his camps. But he's been badly outcoached by Self each and every time, minus one game betwen Illinois and a vastly superior KU team. There's a lot more to comparing than number of titles. If Self coaches another 15 years after Roy hangs it up, then we can compare titles.

Btw, not all titles are equal. Do you consider Uconn's title over Butler equal to UNC's last year? Think about the fortune of the entire 2008 team returning vs a field that couldn't begin to measure up. That was like if Chalmers, Rush and Arthur had returned from the 08 championship team.

If Self hadn't faced one of the best teams ever assembled in '12, he likely has another. Yeah, yeah, shoulda woulda coulda. Point being, a good amount of it is luck and having the right roster at the right time. And health.

We just saw a 16 seed mop up the floor with the most consistent and impressive team in the country. Are we seriously using the results of the tournament as concrete proof of coaching ability? Ha.

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So it seems if Wright wins tomorrow, he moves into the top 3 on the list? And if Michigan wins, Belien is a stone cold lock for the top 10 list?
 
So it seems if Wright wins tomorrow, he moves into the top 3 on the list? And if Michigan wins, Belien is a stone cold lock for the top 10 list?
I think right now he is the top coach in the game. But that’s just right now. If you’re going off a career resume he is sneaking into that Self/Izzo/Cal territory but he’s not above them yet. He’s been incredible these past few years but his resume still has a ton of 2nd round exits and 10+ loss seasons. He’s even gone 13-19 as recently as 2012. None of the guys with better careers than him have ever had a season that bad while in their prime coaching years. But right now he’s probably the top coach in the game.
 
I think right now he is the top coach in the game. But that’s just right now. If you’re going off a career resume he is sneaking into that Self/Izzo/Cal territory but he’s not above them yet. He’s been incredible these past few years but his resume still has a ton of 2nd round exits and 10+ loss seasons. He’s even gone 13-19 as recently as 2012. None of the guys with better careers than him have ever had a season that bad while in their prime coaching years. But right now he’s probably the top coach in the game.

You do bring up good points- however if they do win, he will only be one of 3 active coaches with multiple championships. Same amount of final fours as Self, 3 behind Cal I believe, 4 behind Izzo. Coming off 5 straight seasons as a 1 or 2 seed, which is Self like Territory- def up there now with Cal/Self and Izzo imo.


However for Self to win the big 12- what 14 straight seasons? Just crazy, crazy man...
 
Lol at people overrating Tony Bennett, he’s hardly even top 20 with his resume in tournament. In the next few years he will lead UVA to mediocrity and then no one will remember anything about him other than losing to a 16th seed.

I love how much hate you have for Bennett. It gives me great satisfaction.
 
Since Roy is undefeated in the first round, what is his record in the NIT? Messing around since they went the year after winning it all in 2009.
 
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Since Roy is undefeated in the first round, what is his record in the NIT? Messing around since they went the year after winning it all in 2009.

I mean, pretty good. The only year I remember him going they went to the title game.
 
Being a coach is a lot more than X’s and O’s. Especially in college. Heck, x’s and o’s might not even be 50% or the reason for success in college. I would put both recruiting and player development at least equal with x’s and o’s.
This makes it difficult to make these kinds of assessments IMO. Cause let's be honest, some of these programs recruit themselves. But I do think recruiting might very well be the most important factor when it comes to college basketball. All I know is if I was going to pick any coach to lead my program today it would be Jay Wright or Bill Self. But Tom Izzo gets honorable mention.
 
This makes it difficult to make these kinds of assessments IMO. Cause let's be honest, some of these programs recruit themselves. But I do think recruiting might very well be the most important factor when it comes to college basketball. All I know is if I was going to pick any coach to lead my program today it would be Jay Wright or Bill Self. But Tom Izzo gets honorable mention.

People say things like "these programs recruit themselves" all the time in college football and basketball. But how was UK's recruiting under Gillispie compared to now? How was Bama's in football before Saban brought them back? How is UConn's post Jim Calhoun? How about UCLA's when they have had bad coaches? Or Indiana's?
 
People say things like "these programs recruit themselves" all the time in college football and basketball. But how was UK's recruiting under Gillispie compared to now? How was Bama's in football before Saban brought them back? How is UConn's post Jim Calhoun? How about UCLA's when they have had bad coaches? Or Indiana's?
Sure. You have a point, but let's not pretend like it isn't easier to recruit to Alabama then it is to recruit to K-State for example. That's all I mean. But you are correct that the coach's create a situation where suddenly they can have anybody they want. I'd imagine often that recruiting falls off at a traditional power only after it's discovered the current coach is in over his head.
 
Sure. You have a point, but let's not pretend like it isn't easier to recruit to Alabama then it is to recruit to K-State for example. That's all I mean. But you are correct that the coach's create a situation where suddenly they can have anybody they want. I'd imagine often that recruiting falls off at a traditional power only after it's discovered the current coach is in over his head.

I agree. I think we all agree that some programs have built in advantages over others. Might be tradition. Might be facilities. Might be location. But my overall point is that coaches in college sports are way more than just X and O people. And to not factor in things like recruiting and player development is foolish.

Roy Williams is a heck of a college coach. Doesn't matter if he's more recruiter/developer than he is X and O savant.
 
The Roy can't coach crowd are always going to have that opinion regardless of what he does. It is no different with the Cal can't coach crowd. Ignorance can't really be fixed or reasoned with.
I got on board late with both of them, relatively speaking. W/ Roy, I've even forgotten he could coach and had to learn it all over again, painfully.
 
Tony Bennett is already in the HOF for overachieving in the regular season whilst simultaneously underachieving in the NCAA tournament
So glad that curse is on him now and not Self

Self is one shy of Roy’s 4 final fours now but has the one natty, in the same time span. Safe to say he’s surpassed Roy’s success at KU after this past season. If KU didn’t get the 14th and got knocked out in the 2nd round, Roy had him beat still with 4 final fours.

Also, this past season may have been Self’s bear coaching job ever. Elevated him greatly and KU fans need to understand just how big this year was for him all things considered. Hats off.
 
Lol at people overrating Tony Bennett, he’s hardly even top 20 with his resume in tournament. In the next few years he will lead UVA to mediocrity and then no one will remember anything about him other than losing to a 16th seed.

Posters have said this since I started posting here.. I nearly believed it two seasons ago.
Not so sure anymore.

I think he's solid, and I think he's perfecting his own formula for winning. What remains to be seen is if he can figure out how to mold it for postseason play.
 
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