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[ExitFlagger]

And you do so who's better?

I never said I had a definitive list or ranking, but I'd start with Izzo, Self, Wright, K, Beilein, and maybe Bennett, Huggins, Marshall, etc.

Is this really that controversial? In 2012, Roy was asked in the postgame about KU using a triangle and 2, and his response was "I know they did for one possession, maybe two." They used it for 10 min.

Roy has areas that he excels in, but situational coaching and drawing up plays out of timeouts, etc is not his specialty.

 

[829305]

there's something like 350 D1 programs out there. Is it really that crazy to suggest that Roy isn't one of the 10 best out of that large group? There's a lot of great coaches out there. Poster made it clear he wasn't just talking about comparing resumes.

I’m sure there is some coach at North Dakota State A&M Tech College of the Arts that is probably a better coach than Roy or K, but how the hell are we supposed to know that? Resumes are really the only way to go. Talk about moving goal posts.

 

[AWilli6995]

I never said I had a definitive list or ranking, but I'd start with Izzo, Self, Wright, K, Beilein, and maybe Bennett, Huggins, Marshall, etc.

Is this really that controversial? In 2012, Roy was asked in the postgame about KU using a triangle and 2, and his response was "I know they did for one possession, maybe two." They used it for 10 min.

Roy has areas that he excels in, but situational coaching and drawing up plays out of timeouts, etc is not his specialty.

How many times has Self flamed out to lower seeds compared to Roy?

 

[829305]

How many times has Self flamed out to lower seeds compared to Roy?

This guy is going full tard. Roy doesn’t know how to run inbound plays now. My goodness.

 

[AWilli6995]

This guy is going full tard. Roy doesn’t know how to run inbound plays now. My goodness.

He did his best coaching job this year IMO. A undersized squad who beat Duke twice and was top 2 in rebounding this year but he can't coach, that's to funny.

 

[kycats4383]

In order:
K
Roy
Cal
Self (will pass Cal if he wins this year)
Wright (might jump above Cal and Self)
Izzy
Belein (sp?)
Bennett

 

[coryfly]

I never said I had a definitive list or ranking, but I'd start with Izzo, Self, Wright, K, Beilein, and maybe Bennett, Huggins, Marshall, etc.

Is this really that controversial? In 2012, Roy was asked in the postgame about KU using a triangle and 2, and his response was "I know they did for one possession, maybe two." They used it for 10 min.

Roy has areas that he excels in, but situational coaching and drawing up plays out of timeouts, etc is not his specialty.

Well, Roy is great out of timeouts. It is one reason so many want him to call one late in the first half of games. Roy coaches his guys well enough that they excel in almost any situation without him babysitting them. How is that different than dictating everything to them? It is two different ways to do it and his way is almost always better than yours (generically). People who watch them see how they change things up and attack in different ways, probably the way KU fans see it in their team when I don't.

Look, it's cool. I know KU fans want Self to be better and I get it. Self is awesome and has been great for KU. I know some KU fans kind of hold certain things against Roy. I probably would as well. It's all good.

 

[ExitFlagger]

How many times has Self flamed out to lower seeds compared to Roy?

How soon you forget that Roy was known as a choker for 15 years before his first title. He's had plenty of flameouts. As has K. It's a crazy tourney. It's pretty silly to use flameouts vs lower seeds to knock coaching ability when he has an absurdly good record vs top teams and has now won like 13 straight vs K, Roy, Cal and Huggins.

 

[coryfly]

How soon you forget that Roy was known as a choker for 15 years before his first title. He's had plenty of flameouts. As has K. It's a crazy tourney. It's pretty silly to use flameouts vs lower seeds to knock coaching ability when he has an absurdly good record vs top teams and has now won like 13 straight vs K, Roy, Cal and Huggins.

Yeah, Self is awesome. I think he is right there close behind Roy tbh.

 

[829305]

Yeah, Self is awesome. I think he is right there close behind Roy tbh.

Self could definitely pass Roy. But, for now, nah.

 

[Noahtogo24]

Let's be honest- every coach has a flameout in the tourney- some more than others

 

[AWilli6995]

How soon you forget that Roy was known as a choker for 15 years before his first title. He's had plenty of flameouts. As has K. It's a crazy tourney. It's pretty silly to use flameouts vs lower seeds to knock coaching ability when he has an absurdly good record vs top teams and has now won like 13 straight vs K, Roy, Cal and Huggins.

Well your formula isn't the best either. Bottom line is Roy is above Self, the numbers speak for themselves. You can't argue facts.

 

[coryfly]

Let's be honest- every coach has a flameout in the tourney- some more than others

Except for losing in the first round. Not everyone has one of those.

 

[Noahtogo24]

Except for losing in the first round. Not everyone has one of those.

Would love to see that stat if anybody had free time for coaches that should be on this list...

 

[AWilli6995]

Would love to see that stat if anybody had free time for coaches that should be on this list...

Roy hasn't lost a first round game since he's been at UNC.

 

[coryfly]

Roy hasn't lost a first round game since he's been at UNC.

Since he has coached I believe. 28-0

 

[MGC_07]

I feel like the Beilein argument is a difficult one here. He is arguably the best talent developer in the country, but with no titles, is he top 5? I think there is a similar argument to be made in football, with Mark Dantonio. Neither are great recruiters, but consistently pump out good teams. I guess it’s really what you value, but I’d have them both top 5 in there respective sports.

 

[GE Nole]

Tony Bennett, Dana Altman, Gregg Marshall, Matt Painter, Lon Kruger and Jim Larranaga deserve some consideration.

I also think Chris Beard will be considered a top 10 coach in the country in 5 years. He's the real deal.

Jim Larranaga? Why should he be mentioned as potentially one of the top 10 active coaches?

Top 10 in the ACC? Sure.

 

[coryfly]

I feel like the Beilein argument is a difficult one here. He is arguably the best talent developer in the country, but with no titles, is he top 5? I think there is a similar argument to be made in football, with Mark Dantonio. Neither are great recruiters, but consistently pump out good teams. I guess it’s really what you value, but I’d have them both top 5 in there respective sports.

I'm a big Beilein fan. I'm a big fan of a lot of coaches though, lol. I do think he is really good and also seems to be an extremely genuine dude as well.

 

[GE Nole]

I don't judge coaching ability by resume.

If we're going to list them based on resume, this might as well be titled "top 10 coaching jobs."

Not knocking Roy. I still have nostalgia for his KU days. But I think he's far from #2 in terms of X's and O's.

There are probably a decent number of coaches out there who could win 3 titles in 30 years of coaching at blueblood programs.

Being a coach is a lot more than X’s and O’s. Especially in college. Heck, x’s and o’s might not even be 50% or the reason for success in college. I would put both recruiting and player development at least equal with x’s and o’s.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Well your formula isn't the best either. Bottom line is Roy is above Self, the numbers speak for themselves. You can't argue facts.

Look, I like Roy and always have. Used to go to his camps. But he's been badly outcoached by Self each and every time, minus one game betwen Illinois and a vastly superior KU team. There's a lot more to comparing than number of titles. If Self coaches another 15 years after Roy hangs it up, then we can compare titles.

Btw, not all titles are equal. Do you consider Uconn's title over Butler equal to UNC's last year? Think about the fortune of the entire 2008 team returning vs a field that couldn't begin to measure up. That was like if Chalmers, Rush and Arthur had returned from the 08 championship team.

If Self hadn't faced one of the best teams ever assembled in '12, he likely has another. Yeah, yeah, shoulda woulda coulda. Point being, a good amount of it is luck and having the right roster at the right time. And health.

We just saw a 16 seed mop up the floor with the most consistent and impressive team in the country. Are we seriously using the results of the tournament as concrete proof of coaching ability? Ha.

 

[AWilli6995]

Look, I like Roy and always have. Used to go to his camps. But he's been badly outcoached by Self each and every time, minus one game betwen Illinois and a vastly superior KU team. There's a lot more to comparing than number of titles. If Self coaches another 15 years after Roy hangs it up, then we can compare titles.

Btw, not all titles are equal. Do you consider Uconn's title over Butler equal to UNC's last year? Think about the fortune of the entire 2008 team returning vs a field that couldn't begin to measure up. That was like if Chalmers, Rush and Arthur had returned from the 08 championship team.

If Self hadn't faced one of the best teams ever assembled in '12, he likely has another. Yeah, yeah, shoulda woulda coulda. Point being, a good amount of it is luck and having the right roster at the right time. And health.

We just saw a 16 seed mop up the floor with the most consistent and impressive team in the country. Are we seriously using the results of the tournament as concrete proof of coaching ability? Ha.

You took stupid to another level when you said all titles aren't equal, you really need to stop.

 

[coryfly]

Look, I like Roy and always have. Used to go to his camps. But he's been badly outcoached by Self each and every time, minus one game betwen Illinois and a vastly superior KU team. There's a lot more to comparing than number of titles. If Self coaches another 15 years after Roy hangs it up, then we can compare titles.

Btw, not all titles are equal. Do you consider Uconn's title over Butler equal to UNC's last year? Think about the fortune of the entire 2008 team returning vs a field that couldn't begin to measure up. That was like if Chalmers, Rush and Arthur had returned from the 08 championship team.

If Self hadn't faced one of the best teams ever assembled in '12, he likely has another. Yeah, yeah, shoulda woulda coulda. Point being, a good amount of it is luck and having the right roster at the right time. And health.

We just saw a 16 seed mop up the floor with the most consistent and impressive team in the country. Are we seriously using the results of the tournament as concrete proof of coaching ability? Ha.

I wouldn't say Self badly outcoached Roy when we played them without Kendall. We should have been waxed by you guys but were in the game until there were just a few minutes left. If anything, Roy did a stellar job just keeping them in it. Roy has had issues against KU though. He has also completely dominated Izzo, a guy who you apparently think is better than him. We could play this game that way over and over with the head to head stuff and you would never get a consensus.

And yes, we generally use the tournament as a big way to measure coaching. We also use the regular season and overall success. I mean, you have to use something.

 

[AWilli6995]

He also seemed to forgot our starting back court was out. Marshall with the wrist and Strickland with knee surgery. The result in 2012 would of been different but he doesn't wanna play that shoulda woulda coulda game but he did.

 

[ExitFlagger]

You took stupid to another level when you said all titles aren't equal, you really need to stop.

So all runs are equal eh? Got it. Michigan's run to the final four was just as difficult as KU's or Villanova's. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

You took stupid to another level when you said all titles aren't equal, you really need to stop.

"My title is bigger than your title!"

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

So all runs are equal eh? Got it. Michigan's run to the final four was just as difficult as KU's or Villanova's. Thanks for setting me straight.

Put an asterisk next to Michigan's Final 4 appearance because it was easier than KU's run!

 

[AWilli6995]

So all runs are equal eh? Got it. Michigan's run to the final four was just as difficult as KU's or Villanova's. Thanks for setting me straight.

Every year is different but the titles and the meaning are the same. You are trying to cheapen a schools title just because their run was probably easier than the year before. I never heard a fan devalue a teams title run in comparing it from past champions.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I wouldn't say Self badly outcoached Roy when we played them without Kendall. We should have been waxed by you guys but were in the game until there were just a few minutes left. If anything, Roy did a stellar job just keeping them in it. Roy has had issues against KU though. He has also completely dominated Izzo, a guy who you apparently think is better than him. We could play this game that way over and over with the head to head stuff and you would never get a consensus.

And yes, we generally use the tournament as a big way to measure coaching. We also use the regular season and overall success. I mean, you have to use something.

That UNC team was still loaded with talent. What were they, preseason top 3?

KU had two players that could score and nothing on the bench. A walk-on played major minutes. That was the year many people thought KU's tourney streak would end.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

That UNC team was still loaded with talent. What were they, preseason top 3?

KU had two players that could score and nothing on the bench. A walk-on played major minutes. That was the year many people thought KU's tourney streak would end.

You are stupid

 

[ExitFlagger]

You are stupid

But you're an Einstein, to be sure.

Tell me what was incorrect in that post, Mensa.

 

[coryfly]

That UNC team was still loaded with talent. What were they, preseason top 3?

KU had two players that could score and nothing on the bench. A walk-on played major minutes. That was the year many people thought KU's tourney streak would end.

A freshman was our PG who was not supposed to play much until he was maybe a senior. UNC is always overvalued in the preseason, probably because of Roy but mainly because they are UNC. That team was average without Kendall though. Really average. Our back up PG wussed out and left town because he couldn't handle not being cradled like a child so we had nothing without him.

Regardless, like I said, even if Self has Roy's number then Roy has Izzo's number and that kind of shoots holes in your argument anyway. I honestly just think it is time you forgave Roy and moved on. Doubt that happens though.

 

[ExitFlagger]

UNC is always overvalued in the preseason, probably because of Roy but mainly because they are UNC. That team was average without Kendall though. Really average. Our back up PG wussed out and left town because he couldn't handle not being cradled like a child so we had nothing without him. That is one reason Roy is so obsessed with having so many PGs on the team now.

Regardless, like I said, even if Self has Roy's number then Roy has Izzo's number and that kind of shoots holes in your argument anyway. It's fun to have a little back and forth though.

All I said was that I don't think Roy is top 2 in terms of X's and O's. In terms of overall success, yeah, he'd have to be up there.

And that team may have been a little overhyped but they did have an absurd number of McDonald's AAs if I remember right.

Btw, I was never angry at Roy. I don't blame someone for giving in and going home the second time he's approached.

 

[LAjayhawk]

This is like debating whether Buffett is a suprerior businessman compared to Jamie Dimon. Different generations.

Let Roy and Coach K win another title or two, retire and see what Self does his last 15 years to close the gap.

 

[ExitFlagger]

This is like debating whether Buffett is a suprerior businessman compared to Jamie Dimon. Different generations.

Let Roy and Coach K win another title or two, retire and see what Self does his last 15 years to close the gap.

Problem is, Self doesn't want to coach until K's age. In fact, he may only go another 5 years or so.

If I were him, I'd definitely wait until they retire (and Calipari goes NBA?) then start cleaning up the recruits and final fours left in their wake.

 

[thebasketballreasons]

Lol at people overrating Tony Bennett, he’s hardly even top 20 with his resume in tournament. In the next few years he will lead UVA to mediocrity and then no one will remember anything about him other than losing to a 16th seed.

 

[78Cyclones]

Currently, I am going with Wright, Self, Beilein and Moser! 5-10 do not matter.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Problem is, Self doesn't want to coach until K's age. In fact, he may only go another 5 years or so.

If I were him, I'd definitely wait until they retire (and Calipari goes NBA?) then start cleaning up the recruits and final fours left in their wake.

Calipari's not going to the NBA. If he was, he would be at Cleveland right now.

With that said, Calipari's not coaching when he's 70 either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire in the next 5 or so years.

 

[Matt Laurer]

Roy is obviously a top recruiter but I'm not sure he's a top 10 coach, much less top 2.

I don't judge coaching ability by resume.

If we're going to list them based on resume, this might as well be titled "top 10 coaching jobs."

Not knocking Roy. I still have nostalgia for his KU days. But I think he's far from #2 in terms of X's and O's.

There are probably a decent number of coaches out there who could win 3 titles in 30 years of coaching at blueblood programs.

@wardhawk , come get your boy and be sure to close the gate afterwards

 

[wardhawk]

Kansas will have 1 in the past 30 seasons (1988 will be a year removed) maybe 2, after Monday night, even though you are missing the point altogether. I’m just saying those programs haven’t won more than Roy in the last 30 years, yet many coaches could’ve done it? Come on.

Yeah but if Roy had done a better job than we’d have more. You can’t point to ku’s number of titles as a

@wardhawk , come get your boy and be sure to close the gate afterwards

Not sure Roy is a top 10 coach? I would imagine everyone in the world who knows that college basketball is a sport disagrees with you.