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This was called a foul on TyTy

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coryfly said:
Every official misses calls. Every team thinks they get f'ed. Common sense tells you that fans don't have an objective eye when it comes to fouls.
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150% this....Hell even I don't when watching my Hoosiers. And I've at least worked with some these guys, or went to camps/clinincs with them. Hell I've watched games with fellow officials, and you'd be shocked at the shit we say......

Fans have a vested interest, and it impacts their emotions, and ability to think rationally.. Thats called human nature..
 
I'm the worst during a game. The worst. I complain about everything. After the game I generally realize why a team won or lost though. In the hundreds of UNC games I've watched there were maybe two that I really think had calls that cost UNC the game. Even in those games if they make plays it doesn't matter so even those are stretches.
 
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IUfanBorden said:
I have never once defended officials....I give explanations. SOmetimes those explanations , you or others don't like, and to you its defending the officials. Weird when I agree with something, nothing is said....

No you never said all 2,000 officials should quit----but then again, you did----You said if you can be fooled by that, then you should quit....Well, I assure you, Higgins isn't the only official to ever be "fooled". There's not one guy wearing a whistle who hasn't made a mistake, or been fooled. Not one.

Deliberately screwing a team is almost impossible. The game/action happens to fast. You don't have time to process such a thought...Kid is bearing down, full speed, defender is trying to get back, theres a collision, and in a matter of a second or less, you have to decide...

1. Was the defender in a legal guarding position
2. Did he slide under
3. Did the offense lower his shoulder, extend his arm
4. Was is nust incidental basketball contact
5. Did the defender beat him to the spot..
6. Was he in or outside of the arc....
7. Was the offensive player out of control....was he making a basketball move/play
8. Was he in the act of shooting...

You have to decipher all the above in a matter of a second or two....You really think as an official you have time to go, "Yep, I'm gonna **** Cal on this one"?

He is a prick....he is arrogant. But that doesn't mean he's a cheater. Hell I can be a prick----arrogant, etc, etc...But I have never sacrificed my integrity b/c I may , or may not like a coach. Now, I cannot speak for JOhn, but I do know him....sort of. I'd be shocked if the dude ever slighted a team/coach. It just seems like that, b/c well, he's worked some very high profile games that included UK, and had some calls go against you...

$100 bucks says if that game was Duke/UNC, or UConn/BUtler, you wouldn't have jack shit to say.
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2000 officials didn't call that a foul, 1 official did and honestly, that call wasn't anywhere near as bad as the calls he made in the first half of the UK v uNC E8 game. He should have been escorted off the court at the 10.
minute mark.

You said the game happens too fast for an official to process shady things, to that, I call bullshit. I can damn well guarantee you I would have no problem doing that. The only issue, would be the bad calls would be very obvious, because there's no way you can plan ahead, but guess what, the bad calls WERE very obvious in both games and UK lost the uconn game by a point and the uNC game on a last second shot. That dude cost UK both games and nobody will ever convince me it wasn't done deliberitly. He's a crook.

You said: $100 bucks says if that game was Duke/UNC, or UConn/BUtler, you wouldn't have jack shit to say. Well, just in this thread alone, I have been having a conversation with UL1986 about how Louisville got jobbed. If I'm so biased, would I say that to a Louisville fan?

A little bit about me, I'm literally at war with half of Rupp Rafters because they're all fvcking homers. I can't stand it. Call a spade a spade. We aren't always the best, sometimes we suck, sometimes we get a home whistle, sometimes our coach fails and sometimes someone else is better. I'm no homer, but that doesn't mean I can't allow myself to call out an official for screwing UK over.
 
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coryfly said:
But you ignore all the fouls that weren't called on them throughout the game until they got to OT. The last foul on Bacot was a bad call. Everyone admits that. But even if that call is made percentages say UNC still wins anyway.
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It's probably because I'm shallow aye? Yeah, that's it.
 
coryfly said:
Every official misses calls. Every team thinks they get f'ed. Common sense tells you that fans don't have an objective eye when it comes to fouls.
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Any non uNC fan that saw the first half of that game, saw UK get absolutely hosed.
 
IUfanBorden said:
Well I mean, officials do have the most power---after all----they are the officials....

In a close game, a bad call is no more damaging than a turnover, missed FT, missed lay-up, missed shots, missed assignment, giving up an offensive rebound, that leads to a bucket.

I've told players, and coaches----when you play the perfect game, you can then expect me to call the perfect game.

If you are down 2, have the ball with 10 seconds left, get fouled, miss two FT's...then the other team goes down, ref makes a horrendous block call, and they hit 2 FT's tying the game with 2 seconds left, sending the game to OT, where you eventually lose----What wasmore damaging? Missing two freebies that puts you up 4, with 1o seconds left, or the bad call?
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Well yes, in that situation, the free throws cost them the game, but yeah, some fans will blame the refs, I wouldn't.
 
kyjeff1 said:
You said: $100 bucks says if that game was Duke/UNC, or UConn/BUtler, you wouldn't have jack shit to say. Well, just in this thread alone, I have been having a conversation with UL1986 about how Louisville got jobbed. If I'm so biased, would I say that to a Louisville fan?
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Yes. Those two games have one thing in common.
 
coryfly said:
Nah, you guys just like to whine when you lose. It is how you cope with it.
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Right.

We lost 16 times last year, never blamed the refs.

Lost in 2019 to Auburn, missed free throws and turned the ball over, never blamed the refs.

Lost to K-State in 2018, no refs were blamed.

Lost to IU in 2016 because we had no center, don't recall blaming the refs.

Lost a perfect season in 2015 when Cal took the air out if the ball. Even though the refs missed a Wisconsin shot clock violation, we never blamed the refs, Cal blew it.

Lost to UConn in the 2014 title game, couldn't stop their guards, never blamed the refs.

Lost to WVa with the 2010 John Wall team, not one peep about the refs.

But yeah, we blame every loss on the refs. We all must be fake shallow.
 
kyjeff1 said:
Well yes, in that situation, the free throws cost them the game, but yeah, some fans will blame the refs, I wouldn't.
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That situation happens a lot.....And not just at the end. If you are 12-25 from the line, with 18 turnovers that lead to 22 points, and give up 14 offensive boards that leads to another 10, you have no business blaming anyone but yourself...

My argument has alwayhs been, and always will be, THIS----there are to many other things that hsppen between whistles, that have just as much of an impact, as a bad call, two or three or four..

Guess what---don't shoot 52% from the FT line, turn it over 20 times, and your ass doesn't have to wrry about the game being the worst officiated game in the history of mankind...
 
kyjeff1 said:
Right.

We lost 16 times last year, never blamed the refs.

Lost in 2019 to Auburn, missed free throws and turned the ball over, never blamed the refs.

Lost to K-State in 2018, no refs were blamed.

Lost to IU in 2016 because we had no center, don't recall blaming the refs.

Lost a perfect season in 2015 when Cal took the air out if the ball. Even though the refs missed a Wisconsin shot clock violation, we never blamed the refs, Cal blew it.

Lost to UConn in the 2014 title game, couldn't stop their guards, never blamed the refs.

Lost to WVa with the 2010 John Wall team, not one peep about the refs.

But yeah, we blame every loss on the refs. We all must be fake shallow.
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I maybe you didn't, but I recall many different takes from many other fans among BBN...But in fairness, all fan bases are like this---Only thing is----its magnified with you guys, I mean, you dudes threatened HIggins....You have a site dedicated to officials, and what their records are when officiating your games. I gotta tell ya---i have never seen a team have a page dedicated to what their record is, when certin officials call their games...

But I tell ya---I love BBN, and the passion. IMO, its only matched/close to, ny Indiana----And trust me, my fellow Hooisers can be just as bad blaming officials. Many to this day still blame Teddy V for our loss vs Duke...

Go Hoosiers/Go Cats....
 
kyjeff1 said:
Right.

We lost 16 times last year, never blamed the refs.

Lost in 2019 to Auburn, missed free throws and turned the ball over, never blamed the refs.

Lost to K-State in 2018, no refs were blamed.

Lost to IU in 2016 because we had no center, don't recall blaming the refs.

Lost a perfect season in 2015 when Cal took the air out if the ball. Even though the refs missed a Wisconsin shot clock violation, we never blamed the refs, Cal blew it.

Lost to UConn in the 2014 title game, couldn't stop their guards, never blamed the refs.

Lost to WVa with the 2010 John Wall team, not one peep about the refs.

But yeah, we blame every loss on the refs. We all must be fake shallow.
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You had tons of fans who blamed the refs for those losses. Hell, I remember whining about many of those games from UK fans. I mean, UNC has tons of fans who are like that as well. But when you join in with the whining and blaming you kind of get lumped in with them. I mean, you just made a comment about the refs in your actual defense of not whining about the refs here. Holy hell, talk about not being self-aware.

No idea why you keep talking about being shallow.
 
IUfanBorden said:
I maybe you didn't, but I recall many different takes from many other fans among BBN...But in fairness, all fan bases are like this---Only thing is----its magnified with you guys, I mean, you dudes threatened HIggins....You have a site dedicated to officials, and what their records are when officiating your games. I gotta tell ya---i have never seen a team have a page dedicated to what their record is, when certin officials call their games...

But I tell ya---I love BBN, and the passion. IMO, its only matched/close to, ny Indiana----And trust me, my fellow Hooisers can be just as bad blaming officials. Many to this day still blame Teddy V for our loss vs Duke...

Go Hoosiers/Go Cats....
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I don't know what page you're referring to
 
kyjeff1 said:
I don't care who Louisville was playing, they got jobbed. The opponent didn't matter.
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this thread is an absolute riot. the mental gymnastics people are going through to convince themselves that’s a foul on washington makes me laugh. Especially knowing if it was there guy they’d all be outraged at the idea of it.

But hey, let’s call THIS a foul on ty ty. fine. now let’s go back through and watch the entire game and try to convince ourselves that vandy wouldn’t have been playing walk ons by this point in the game had they actually called the rest of the game that way.

vandy beat the hell out of our back court last night. probably saw it worked for auburn and lsu so figured, since they knew they weren’t going to beat us by actually playing basketball, then might as well try some **** shit.
 
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Montana81 said:
this thread is an absolute riot. the mental gymnastics people are going through to convince themselves that’s a foul on washington makes me laugh. Especially knowing if it was there guy they’d all be outraged at the idea of it.

But hey, let’s call THIS a foul on ty ty. fine. now let’s go back through and watch the entire game and try to convince ourselves that vandy wouldn’t have been playing walk ons by this point in the game had they actually called the rest of the game that way.

vandy beat the hell out of our back court last night. probably saw it worked for auburn and lsu so figured, since they knew they weren’t going to beat us by actually playing basketball, then might as well try some **** shit.
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Probably so. I don't doubt it. Louisville did the same thing to UNC to try and hang in down low. You should tell your fellow fan how that works. He probably doesn't think it happens to anyone but UK though.
 
coryfly said:
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LOL, you think I said that because the opponent was Carolina??? Hilarious. I wanted Carolina to win that.
You need to understand, since UK deep dicked you guys, now you're working for UK. The more you guys win, the better our reseme looks.
 
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coryfly said:
Probably so. I don't doubt it. Louisville did the same thing to UNC to try and hang in down low. You should tell your fellow fan how that works. He probably doesn't think it happens to anyone but UK though.
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We should go ahead and get that rental agreement signed.
 
UK doesn't need UNC to do anything to help your resume, especially not this year.
 
coryfly said:
UK doesn't need UNC to do anything to help your resume, especially not this year.
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No, no, no, keep working. Earn that money for daddy.
Do your damn job this Saturday.
 
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That is almost as weird as something that Duke fan who likes the little kids would say.
 
IUfanBorden said:
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Stop the video at 3 seconds....Youll see where TyTy impedes VU guards freedom of movement, by causing contact. He is NOT in a legal guarding position when such contact occurs, that was created by him...The push off comes AFTER that. And its disregarded unless you feel its excessive, unecessary, contact----which it was not.
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You sir are full if ish. TyTy didn’t even come in contact with Pippen. You need to get recertified.
 
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IUfanBorden said:
Its a foul on TyTy...Watch closer. He(TyTy) initiates the contact, by getting into the Vandy player; freedom of movement. TyTy IS NOT in a legal guarding position, when HE initiates, causes the contact----that is a foul. This discard, push off is disregarded, UNLESS you feel it was unecessary contact, i.e. flagrant. It was not.

This is not meant toward you, BUT---people need to understand the rules. Like I said, watch the play over, you'll see that TyTy initiates illegal contact, THEN VU player pushes off.

It was the right call...
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Thought this was a pretty obvious foul on Ty as well and was confused what I was missing. Glad you confirmed it.
 
I think if there was no push off at the end it would have been much easer for many to see the initial foul. But the push off is what people really see. Tyty just didn’t have the angle.
 
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Montana81 said:
this thread is an absolute riot. the mental gymnastics people are going through to convince themselves that’s a foul on washington makes me laugh. Especially knowing if it was there guy they’d all be outraged at the idea of it.

But hey, let’s call THIS a foul on ty ty. fine. now let’s go back through and watch the entire game and try to convince ourselves that vandy wouldn’t have been playing walk ons by this point in the game had they actually called the rest of the game that way.

vandy beat the hell out of our back court last night. probably saw it worked for auburn and lsu so figured, since they knew they weren’t going to beat us by actually playing basketball, then might as well try some **** shit.
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It is incredible. Some of the posters want UK to lose so bad that they do the mental gymnastics that basically insult their intellect.

I re-watched the game after I burned my bluray of it and nearly every time Pippen drives he pushes off with his off arm.
 
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1UK said:
You sir are full if ish. TyTy didn’t even come in contact with Pippen. You need to get recertified.
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Full of "ish"? Whats the deal? Will mom and pops ground you from the computer if you type a bad word?

ANyways....No reason to respond to you. You're probably the dude that crunches the numbers of what UK's record is when officials call their games. You are like most----you see the push off, and that's all you see. And that is fine----your mind isn't trained as perfect as mine is when it comes to calling a CBB game---So I forgive your ignorant ass.

Edit---And just to clarify---and I doubt you have the mental capacity to understand what I am about to type---


Ahhh, nevermind....What I was gonna type likely could have pushed to a breaking point----and I do not wanna be responsible for you losing your mind, and running out in front of a car....Not that there would be anything wrong with that---But I don't want that on my conscience...
 
Bert Higginbotha said:
As we discussed today on the phone, it was the exact opposite call that should have been made. Horrible call.

Pippen pushes off all the damned time. He best come back to college as he is not NBA material.
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Wrong....
 
IUfanBorden said:
Wrong....
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To point on what you're saying here, and touch back on Tshiebwe questions.

When Oscar goes up for a layup and his strong drive to the hole catches a dude in the face, or maybe an elbow to the chin, Is that offensive or defensive foul, or maybe play on?

No malice, just going strong to the hole like dude isn't even there.

If guys bounce off him, it's not a foul. Right?
 
IUfanBorden said:
Full of "ish"? Whats the deal? Will mom and pops ground you from the computer if you type a bad word?

ANyways....No reason to respond to you. You're probably the dude that crunches the numbers of what UK's record is when officials call their games. You are like most----you see the push off, and that's all you see. And that is fine----your mind isn't trained as perfect as mine is when it comes to calling a CBB game---So I forgive your ignorant ass.

Edit---And just to clarify---and I doubt you have the mental capacity to understand what I am about to type---


Ahhh, nevermind....What I was gonna type likely could have pushed to a breaking point----and I do not wanna be responsible for you losing your mind, and running out in front of a car....Not that there would be anything wrong with that---But I don't want that on my conscience...
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Hey man, you got a little out of sorts there. My words seemed to have hurt you and I apologize.
 
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If Pippen hadn't extended his arm and pushed off, it would have been a foul on TyTy if contact had been made. But that wasn't the case. The arm and push off initiated the contact. I don't think stiff arms are allowed in basketball. I looked at the video several times and I didn't see one time where TyTy initiated the contact.

Wrong calls are made all the time. It doesn't matter if TyTy was invading his path. That arm contact was what was wrong. Anyway, Vandy was trying to do crap like this all night. They wanted a fist fight lol
 
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