Re-ranking the blue bloods after 2022 season

[RockChalk82]

What say you?

Before 2022:


1 Kentucky. 8 titles. #1 all time wins.
2 UNC. 6 titles. 3rd all time wins.
3 Duke. 5 titles. 4th all time wins.
4 KU. 3 titles. 2nd all time wins.
5 UCLA. 11 titles (all in 60-70’s) except 95. 5th all time wins.
6 Indiana. 5 titles. 6th wins. Bobby Knight.

updated

1 Kentucky. 8 titles. 2Nd all time wins.
2 UNC. 6 titles. 3rd all time wins.
3 KU. 4 titles. 1st all time wins.
4 Duke. 5 titles. 4th all time wins.
5 UCLA. 11 titles (all in 60-70’s) except 95. 5th all time wins.
6 Indiana. 5 titles. 6th wins. Bobby Knight.

 

[ravenman10]

I still think ucla comes in at 3 with 11 titles. That carries weight.
Duke and Kansas are now interchangeable at 4/5. No real distinction. One has the wins, one has the rings. Both equal out.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I still think ucla comes in at 3 with 11 titles. That carries weight.
Duke and Kansas are now interchangeable at 4/5. No real distinction. One has the wins, one has the rings. Both equal out.

Duke's accomplished more in the modern era, but I'd say that KU's got the edge in the all-time rankings.

And yeah, UCLA definitely has an argument for 3 or even higher.

 

[WojoRising]

I didn’t realize Kansas bumped Kentucky as the winningest program, impressive

 

[ThePhog08]

Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith played at Kansas. James Naismith Coached at Kansas

Kansas is the father of college basketball

Kansas has all times wins


End of story

 

[AuHoosier420]

Doesnt Kentucky have 8 titles? Not 7?

 

[CUJO_1970]

Kansas has all times wins

Yep, and going into the tournament, Kansas had played 139 more games than Kentucky in order to achieve that but Kansas fans don't like to talk about that

Kansas also has 142 more losses than Kentucky and Kansas all-time win percentage is quite a bit lower than Kentucky. Kentucky also has a 24-10 head to head record against Kansas.

I mean...congrats tho.

 

[JimboBBN]

8 titles, brah

 

[ThePhog08]

Yep, and going into the tournament, Kansas had played 139 more games than Kentucky in order to achieve that but Kansas fans don't like to talk about that

Kansas also has 142 more losses than Kentucky and Kansas all-time win percentage is quite a bit lower than Kentucky. Kentucky also has a 24-10 head to head record against Kansas.

I mean...congrats tho.

How does a losing season and NIT feel, I wouldn't know.

 

[ThePhog08]

8 titles, brah

4 titles when the ncaa tourney was 8 teams and segregated but congrats? Those 40's and 50's titles were something.

 

[JimboBBN]

4 titles when the ncaa tourney was 8 teams and segregated but congrats? Those 40's and 50's titles were something.

Wtf? I wasn't bragging? OP put us with 7. But yes, for clarification, you can divide our titles by two and we still have has many as ol Kansas.

 

[ThePhog08]

Kansas

Wins #1
Conference titles (63) #1
National Titles 4
Helms titles 2
First team all americans #1
Seasons with a non losing record #1 (101)
Final fours #4 (16)
Consecutive NCAA Tournaments (32) #1
NCAA Tournament #1 Seed - 2nd (15)
Consensus First team All Americans - #1 (30)
Only Coach ever to win NCAA title and NBA title - Larry Brown
Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith Played here

This is the most historic college basketball team of all time.

 

[Villian07]

Yep, and going into the tournament, Kansas had played 139 more games than Kentucky in order to achieve that but Kansas fans don't like to talk about that

Kansas also has 142 more losses than Kentucky and Kansas all-time win percentage is quite a bit lower than Kentucky. Kentucky also has a 24-10 head to head record against Kansas.

I mean...congrats tho.

How can they have played 139 more games but have 142 more losses? Maths got me confused

 

[ThePhog08]

#1. UNC
#2 Kansas
#3 UK
#4 Duke
#5 UCLA

 

[JimboBBN]

1. Kentucky
2. Carolina
3 Duke
4 Kansas
5 UCLA

Stop at 5

 

[Demarcus Kidd-Miller]

Damn KU fans really riding high right now huh? Delusion is strong in here.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Yep, and going into the tournament, Kansas had played 139 more games than Kentucky in order to achieve that but Kansas fans don't like to talk about that

Kansas also has 142 more losses than Kentucky and Kansas all-time win percentage is quite a bit lower than Kentucky. Kentucky also has a 24-10 head to head record against Kansas.

I mean...congrats tho.

Congrats, partner. Your boys were better in the 40s and thus rank higher all-time.

But would you rather be better in the 40s or the modern era?

 

[ThePhog08]

1. Kentucky
2. Carolina
3 Duke
4 Kansas
5 UCLA

Stop at 5

Laughable. Thee only way Duke would be ahead of KU is if titles is the only criteria. If that is the case UCLA should be ahead of UK.

 

[ThePhog08]

UK fans really riding their 1940's and 1950's success dick. Thank God for Anthony Davis.

 

[JimboBBN]

Laughable. Thee only way Duke would be ahead of KU is if titles is the only criteria. If that is the case UCLA should be ahead of UK.

You need to stop being so triggered. You went off like a little bitch when I wasn't even responding to you in the first place.

 

[cooljeff]

i don't see UCLA at 3...they are either #1 or they are #5, it depends on how much weight you give to titles.

 

[della]

What say you?

Before 2022:


1 Kentucky. 7 titles. #1 all time wins.
2 UNC. 6 titles. 3rd all time wins.
3 Duke. 5 titles. 4th all time wins.
4 KU. 4 titles. 2nd all time wins.
5 UCLA. 11 titles (all in 60-70’s) except 95. 5th all time wins.
6 Indiana. 5 titles. 6th wins. Bobby Knight.

updated

1 Kentucky. 7 titles. 2Nd all time wins.
2 UNC. 6 titles. 3rd all time wins.
3 KU. 4 titles. 1st all time wins.
4 Duke. 5 titles. 4th all time wins.
5 UCLA. 11 titles (all in 60-70’s) except 95. 5th all time wins.
6 Indiana. 5 titles. 6th wins. Bobby Knight.

If titles are so important, UCLA is hands down the top Blue blood. You really can't have it both ways.

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

Would have had KU at 3rd before and after. I’m slightly harsher on schools that have too much of their history under one coach.

 

[JimboBBN]

Damn KU fans really riding high right now huh? Delusion is strong in here.

Seriously. I was in the thread congratulating them for winning, yet at least one of them seems to have tiny penis syndrome regarding Kentucky.

 

[RockChalk82]

Laughable. Thee only way Duke would be ahead of KU is if titles is the only criteria. If that is the case UCLA should be ahead of UK.

THIS

 

[RockChalk82]

i don't see UCLA at 3...they are either #1 or they are #5, it depends on how much weight you give to titles.

recency just matters.

USC baseball is #1 all time in titles but who even talks about them in college baseball? No one.

it’s Florida, LSU, Vandy, Texas, Oregon State, Oklahoma State., UCLA, Stanford, etc

 

[ExitFlagger]

Would have had KU at 3rd before and after. I’m slightly harsher on schools that have too much of their history under one coach.

You can make good arguments for a lot of different combinations of the top 5. UCLA is hard to place. They’re obviously 5th in the modern era, but they’ve had success in many decades.

 

[RockChalk82]

How can they have played 139 more games but have 142 more losses? Maths got me confused

also their are heavy in the 30’s and 40’s with their wins and ours more weighted in last few decades.

to me it offsets the argument

 

[dukedevilz]

I'm going to defer to the system I created when ranking the top 50/75 programs of all-time. Only change, at least among the top 5, is KU will leapfrog Duke. So...

1. Kentucky
2. UCLA
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke

 

[AuHoosier420]

I'm going to defer to the system I created when ranking the top 50/75 programs of all-time. Only change, at least among the top 5, is KU will leapfrog Duke. So...

1. Kentucky
2. UCLA
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke

I think this is about right.

 

[JimboBBN]

I'm going to defer to the system I created when ranking the top 50/75 programs of all-time. Only change, at least among the top 5, is KU will leapfrog Duke. So...

1. Kentucky
2. UCLA
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke

Be careful, having Kansas forth will hurt some fragile feelings itt

 

[dukedevilz]

Be careful, having Kansas forth will hurt some fragile feelings itt

Well, I have them ahead of Duke. That should soften the blow, right?

 

[toonces11]

Man---titles are hard to win. I don't know the exact order but I do have a hard time with how to weigh past teams in different eras. Its tough b/c you dont want to discount accomplishments made by anyone.

 

[KUhawks34]

I’ll start with this. I look at Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke and UCLA as the bluebloods. Maybe Indiana but I don’t personally think so but at the same time if you want to include them, then sure but they are #6 and nobody worth a shit will argue otherwise.

Kansas always lacked titles, Duke has a solid history outside of coach K but pretty much everything is coach K and UCLA is all Wooden. They made some FF’s in the 2000’s and again last year but for the most part they have been irrelevant in my 31 years of living (like Indiana). UK/UCLA won so many titles many, many years ago. They count but at the same time they were a long time ago.

UCLA has so many titles that is hard to ignore lol.

The thing that gets me is people rank UK #1 because of the history and titles but then knock KU for lack of titles. If titles are so important (they are) then you have to rank UCLA #1

For me, I consider a blueblood as a program with sustained success since the beginning of the spot. Titles would be of the highest measure of success but I think there is a lot of other things that matter.

I personally have a hard time saying UCLA is the best program when they have 1 title since 1975. They won all the titles in a 12 year span in the 60’s and 70’s. That’s a long time ago and was in a different time period.

Temple is #5 in wins I think. Do people even discuss them as a top 20 program? Lol.

I would rank them:

1.) Kentucky
2.) North Carolina
3.) Kansas
4.) UCLA
5.) Duke

I factor in the whole picture and when you do so, UK/UNC/KU are by far the most consistent and are not reliant one particular coach or era.

I rank UCLA before Duke because I think they both are in a similar criteria and I give them the edge because of the titles.

If KU wins another title before UNC does, I would probably rank KU above UNC. Self seems to be in prime position to be the face of college basketball for however long he coaches. I don’t think he coaches past 70. So at most he has 10 years left at Kansas.

It will be really interesting to see what Scheyer and Davis do. They both will feel the pressure if they don’t get a title within 5 years unless they’ve been to multiple final fours.

 

[pisgah101]

1. Kentucky
2. Carolina
3 Duke
4 Kansas
5 UCLA

Stop at 5

That’s the only list and order

 

[Random UK Fan]

I'm going to defer to the system I created when ranking the top 50/75 programs of all-time. Only change, at least among the top 5, is KU will leapfrog Duke. So...

1. Kentucky
2. UCLA
3. North Carolina
4. Kansas
5. Duke

Checks out.

 

[RockChalk82]

Ya people forget temple is #5. I miss Don Chaney honestly

 

[JVDBeak'em]

Broke it down by decade to see who has had the most consistent success.

Before 1939 (first year of NCAA Tournament)
1) KU 2 helms, 20x conference champions, 483 wins
2) UK 1 helms, 7x conf champs, 326 wins
3) UNC 1 helms, 6x conf champs, 386 wins
4) UCLA 0 helms, 6x conf champs, 187 wins
5) Indiana 0 helms, 3x conf champs, 344 wins
6) Duke 0 helms, 0 conf champs, 356 wins

1939-1949 (1939 had zero blue bloods and none of us won the conference)
1) UK 2 titles, 3 FF's, 4 appearances, 6x conf champs, 255 wins
2) Indiana 1 title, 1 FF, 1 appear, 0 conf champs, 156 wins
3) KU 0 titles, 1 FF, 2 appear, 5x conf champs, 168 wins
4) UNC 0 titles, 1 FF, 2 appear, 3x conf champs, 206 wins
5) Duke 0 titles, 0 appear, 3x conf champs, 181 wins
6) UCLA 0 titles, 0 appear, 1x conf champs, 122 wins

1950-1959
1) UK 2 titles, 2 FF's, 7 appearances, 7x conf champs, 229 wins
2) KU 1 title, 3 FF's, 3 appear, 5 conf champs, 171 wins
3) Indiana 1 title, 1 FF, 3 appear, 4 conf champs, 154 wins
4) UNC 1 title, 1 FF, 2 appear, 3 conf champs, 168 wins
5) UCLA 0 titles, 0 FF's, 3 appear, 3 conf champs, 193 wins
6) Duke 0 titles, 0 FF's, 1 appear, 2 conf champs, 180 wins

1960-1969
1) UCLA 5 titles, 6 FF's, 7 appearances, 7x conf champs, 234 wins
2) Duke 0 titles, 3 FF's, 4 appear, 4x conf champs, 213 wins
3) UNC 0 titles, 3 FF's, 3 appear, 5x conf champs, 184 wins
4) UK 0 titles, 1 FF, 6 appear, 5x conf champs, 204 wins
5) KU 0 titles, 0 FF, 3 appear, 3x conf champs, 173 wins
6) Indiana 0 titles, 0 FF's, 1x conf champs, 135 wins

1970-1979
1) UCLA 5 titles, 7 FF's, 10 appearances, 10x conf champs, 272 wins
2) UK 1 title, 2 FF's, 7 appear, 7 conf champs, 223 wins
3) Indiana 1 title, 2 FF's, 4 appear, 4x conf champs, 208 wins
4) UNC 0 titles, 2 FF's, 6 appear, 6x conf champs, 239 wins
5) KU 0 titles, 2 FF's, 4 appear, 4x conf champs, 178 wins
6) Duke 0 titles, 1 FF, 2 appear, 1x conf champs, 162 wins

1980-1989
1) Indiana 2 titles, 2 FF's, 9 appearances, 5x conf champs, 228 wins
2) UNC 1 titles, 2 FF's, 10 appear, 6x conf champs, 281 wins
3) KU 1 titles, 2 FF's, 6 appear, 1x conf champs, 219 wins
4) Duke 0 titles, 3 FF's, 7 appear, 1 conf champs, 226 wins
5) UK 0 titles, 1 FF, 9 appear, 6x conf champs, 231 wins
6) UCLA 0 titles, 1 FF, 5 appear, 2x conf champs, 201 wins

1990-99
1) Duke 2 titles, 5 FF's, 9 appearances, 6x conf champs, 271 wins
2) UK 2 titles, 4 FF's, 8 appear, 5x conf champs, 282 wins
3) UNC 1 title, 5 FF's, 10 appear, 2x conf champs, 270 wins
4) UCLA 1 title, 1 FF, 10 appear, 4x conf champs, 240 wins
5) KU 0 titles, 2 FF's, 10 appear, 7x conf champs, 286 wins
6) Indiana 0 titles, 1 FF, 10 appear, 2x conf champs, 229 wins

2000-10
1) UNC 2 titles, 4 FF's, 8 appearances, 5x conf champs, 251 wins
2) KU 1 title, 3 FF's, 10 appear, 7x conf champs, 282 wins
3) Duke 1 title, 2 FF's, 10 appear, 4x conf champs, 291 wins
4) UCLA 0 titles, 3 FF's, 8 appear, 3x conf champs, 227 wins
5) UK 0 titles, 0 FF, 9 appear, 4x conf champs, 240 wins
6) Indiana 0 titles, 1 FF, 7 appear, 1x conf champs, 187 wins

2010-2019
1) Duke 2 titles, 2 FF, 10 appearances, 1x conf champs, 299 wins
2) UK 1 title, 4 FF's, 9 appear, 5x conf champs, 305 wins
3) UNC 1 title, 2 FF, 9 appear, 5x conf champs, 277 wins
4) KU 0 titles, 2 FF, 10 appear, 9x conf champs, 304 wins
5) UCLA 0 titles, 0 FF, 6 appear, 1x conf champs, 215 wins
6) Indiana 0 title, 0 FF, 4 appear, 2x conf champs, 195 wins

2020-22
1) KU 1 title, 1 FF, 2 appear, 2x conf champs, 83 wins
2) UNC 0 titles, 1 FF, 2 appear, 2x conf champs, 61 wins
3) UCLA 0 titles, 1 FF, 2 appear, 0x conf champs, 68 wins
4) Duke 0 titles, 1 FF, 1 appear, 1x conf champs, 70 wins
5) UK 0 titles, 0 FF, 1 appear, 1x conf champs, 60 wins
6) Indiana 0 titles, 0 FF, 1 appear, 0x conf champs, 53 wins

Average
2.9 Kentucky
2.9 North Carolina
3.1 Kansas
3.8 Duke
3.9 UCLA
4.4 Indiana

 

[HawksJ]

Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith played at Kansas. James Naismith Coached at Kansas

Kansas is the father of college basketball

Kansas has all times wins


End of story

 

[IUfanBorden]

Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith played at Kansas. James Naismith Coached at Kansas

Kansas is the father of college basketball

Kansas has all times wins


End of story

And had a losing record: 55-60. I just stck with, he invented the game part.