You’ve been posting pretty regularly throughout the day today, so what type of day is it today?
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You’ve been posting pretty regularly throughout the day today, so what type of day is it today?
These are time stamps from when you were reading and/or posting on a college basketball forum during school hours.
7:27 am
8:59 am
9:03 am
9:11 am
10:36 am
10:39 am
10:50 am
10:51 am
11:13 am
12:04 pm
12:08 pm
Man, that is one grueling work morning. Get this man a raise.
I don't buy it. Teachers tend to lean left before they went into teaching and they continue to lean left after, but there are also plenty of checks and balances against "indoctrination."
Academia tends to lean left b/c its very nature is to broaden horizons.
Two other things: If a teacher isn't challenging students and pushing them to grow, they're not doing their job. That includes what a student's parents or religion has taught them where that conflicts with curriculum and the mission of public schools. And second, public schools are there for everyone, so accommodating trans kids, for example, is part of being there for everyone. It's not indoctrination that a kid whose upbringing allows for discrimination is prevented from acting on that at a public school.
It's pretty clear this conversation has politics all over it from the very beginning.
Black means I was off for whatever reason. Red means I had no scheduled class. Blue means that class was on a field trip today.
My morning schedule today is
8:30-8:55 (zero hour class, meets before school starts. students report to their morning duties, in this class they do the news report, only meets Tuesday)
9:30-10:10 (not every day)
10:10-10:50 (fifth grade class)
11:10:11:50 (sixth grade class)
Some days I'm at a different school and my class schedule in the morning is
8:30-9:20 (planning)
9:20-10:05
10:10-10:55 (not every day)
11:00-11:45
Like I said, some days it's non stop. Some days I have some gaps in my schedule, that when I do things like lesson planning, practicing instruments, writing music for the kids, emailing parents/teachers/administrators, organize paper, and yes, sometimes looking at my phone when I see a thread like this and I'm talking about teaching. Ultimately, you don't know jack about my schedule or what I do, so stop acting like you know what's going on.
"And lets just end the myth that teachers are underpaid. Especially now a days with technology the grading is down, only work 180ish days..."
Way. Those are classic lines used to chip away at the institution of public ed.
Way. Those are classic lines used to chip away at the institution of public ed.
I was actually thinking you might say "I called in sick today" or something for an excuse. You were at work and spent that much time on a college basketball forum? Rough, rough, job.
Public school educated and defend public schools from my private school wife. Granted I went to one of the top public schools in the state but still.
Today was an unusual day. I'm not sure you have a job so I don't know if you can relate to that. "So much time" lol, I posted four comments and was probably on for all of ten minutes. Go ahead and analyze every other person who has posted during their work day, see what you get. Looking forward to all of your in depth research.
LaughingRollLaughLaughingRollLaughLaughing I wish.
Why? Every other person on here isn't writing lengthy posts about how hard their job is or how underpaid they are.
I think your perception of what constitutes a "lengthy post" is fairly skewed, the lengthiest post I made in this thread today during "work hours" was three words. I'm sorry school was so tough for you, you seem to really have an issue with teachers.
...until their job is the one under attack, right, radio repairman?
So VA is a 5th/6th grade music teacher posting online during work hours in which was a day he had virtually no classes but believes he's underpaid?
When did I say I'm underpaid? Find the post. Go ahead. I haven't talked about what I think about my salary and I won't on here. If you feel like taking a look around the internet you'll be able to find my salary on any district website. I'm in my second year and I have a bachelor's degree. You'll have to find the right county, but you'll get the idea. And what does 5th/6th grade band (not music... their job is way crazier than mine) have to do with anything?
There's literally nothing I could say that would change your mind about this, I could have 12 hour work days 365 days a year and you would find a way to put it down. Done wasting my time with you.
When did I say I'm underpaid? Find the post. Go ahead. I haven't talked about what I think about my salary and I won't on here. If you feel like taking a look around the internet you'll be able to find my salary on any district website. I'm in my second year and I have a bachelor's degree. You'll have to find the right county, but you'll get the idea. And what does 5th/6th grade band (not music... their job is way crazier than mine) have to do with anything?
There's literally nothing I could say that would change your mind about this, I could have 12 hour work days 365 days a year and you would find a way to put it down. Done wasting my time with you.
Change my mind about what?
Uhhh... you started this thread attacking teachers and stating lies about how little they work. Some teachers have disagreed with you, addressed your inaccuracies, and sure, at the very least implied that they are underpaid. No one said the first thing about it until you started, and only then in response to you.
Agree to disagree. For example, I doubt teachers are teaching kids that there's still a lot of unknown with transgender and it is possible that it is a mental illness. I know i wasn't taught that when it came up in psych.
No problem with academia being left. More liberals than conservatives go into education as a profession. That's not the point. Liberals can be objective as I'm sure you would agree. Radicals can't.
Challenging students is not the same as indoctrinating. More teachers are becoming more activist than educator. Challenge and help the students grow... objectively. Teach them to read and think deeply, not what to think. Teach them many perspectives, not shut down "hate speech", and don't encourage safe spaces and trigger warnings bc that is the exact opposite of challenging and helping students grow. For the love of God or big bang or whatever do it objectively.
Examples of teachers/professors and worse, admin, not doing these things are becoming more and more common. That is undeniable and it is a problem.
I love teachers and have a few friends in the line of business. But damn.
When they bitch to me about their job when they have more days off than any other profession, it pisses me off (but I hold my thoughts).
Teaching is not "grueling". Handling and helping kids learn is an admirable job, but most teachers I know embellish their work hours. 730-230 days?
They have summer off (most of them), Christmas break, Presidents' Day, MLK day, thanksgiving break, spring break, fall break.
Give me a break. They chose to go into the profession. I have zero sympathy.
And the ones who bitch about their salary literally don't work in the summer. Pick up a summer job and work like the rest of the country.
Saw on Facebook a teacher who started a GoFundMe asking for money because he isn't paid enough. Like... no. (He got destroyed on his page, for the record).
When they bitch to me about their job when they have more days off than any other profession, it pisses me off (but I hold my thoughts).
Teaching is not "grueling". Handling and helping kids learn is an admirable job, but most teachers I know embellish their work hours. 730-230 days?
They have summer off (most of them), Christmas break, Presidents' Day, MLK day, thanksgiving break, spring break, fall break.
Give me a break. They chose to go into the profession. I have zero sympathy.
And the ones who bitch about their salary literally don't work in the summer. Pick up a summer job and work like the rest of the country.
Saw on Facebook a teacher who started a GoFundMe asking for money because he isn't paid enough. Like... no. (He got destroyed on his page, for the record).
No, I mentioned trans kids as examples of students whose safety may require greater attention. It's not teachers' jobs to judge their students' orientation, gender identity, religion, immigration status, etc, but it is their job to protect them from other students' judgments. If that means they're pushing an agenda of acceptance... in the freakin' classroom... that's everything it ought to be.
When public school is under attack and its students are under attack, teachers should be activists. In the classroom, they must shut down hate speech. Classrooms should be "safe spaces." The intellectual challenges students should face have to happen in an environment where they're encouraged to engage, not choose between fight and flight. That means it has to be safe -- a "safe space."
I don't doubt there are examples. That's anecdotal.
I don't see students being told what to think. I see them being taught to think, but then when they open their mouths and say things people don't care for, they're dismissed as paid actors, Soros plants, mouthpieces, indoctrinated, etc. Look at the kids out of Parkland, Florida. Kids can be taught the right way and still choose to flow with the stream, of course, but that's sometimes harder to detect b/c it looks like mindless conformity until you delve beneath the surface. When kids espouse ideas that run counter to the status quo or however their parents raised them, it seems far more likely to me that it's the result of thinking for themselves than that some liberal teacher has brainwashed them.
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This. I'm not especially liberal (I'm a true moderate who votes for both Republicans and Democrats) but I don't see how what toy said is confusing to people. If I don't shut down one type of bullying/hate speech, how am I supposed to shut down another?
"But Mr. VaWildcat15, you told Tommy that it was wrong to make fun of John for his whatever. Why is it ok to make fun of me for my whatever?"
"Because George, you're just a bigger freak than Tommy and there's no way around that."
Yeah, that sounds great.
To be clear, most school years are 180 days for the students. Teachers have another... about 30 or so on top of that. Not only have most teachers I know worked jobs in the summer at least some of the time, but they've also worked second jobs during the school year at some point. Summers are also times when they do Continuing Ed. There are ongoing recertification requirements. And the overtime during the year? It's crazy.
Whatever time you think teachers get off is probably way, way more than what they actually get, and if you prorated their salaries based on even a conservative estimate, I suspect it would still trail most jobs of similar qualifications and importance.
Thank you for saying this. Yes, there are 180 school days. But I go to the school before the year starts and I continue working after the year ends. And I don't know what people think "teacher work day means", but it literally means "go to work" for us. I also have to spend summer working on the next year, because curriculum and plans don't write themselves, and supplies don't buy themselves. I don't understand where this idea that teachers spend summer playing video games came from, but it doesn't apply to any teachers I know. And I haven't even addressed your point about continuing ed.
But what do I know, I'm just a teacher. Eyeroll
Safety from what? School under attack how?
What is hate speech? Someone calling me a freak? Asking the educator a "controversial" question?Sure classrooms need rules and students need to abide by those rules. I don't understand what that has to do with anything. I'm not saying the classroom needs to be a bunch of kids arguing and name calling the whole time. That's obviously silly. That would be apart of teaching...teaching kids how to converse with eachother, even if the conversation is a hard one to have. if a student asks a teacher about transgender being a mental illness why or why not, that should be silenced? Those questions should not be allowed? Absolutely not. But if we will go that route and silence "hate speech" who decides what that is? Liberal academia? Yeah i can't imagine that going well. Multiple examples of conservative speech being suppressed on campuses and in the classroom are already happening. If public school is suppose to accommodate everyone should it not accommodate the person who asks about the argument for and against transgender being a mental illness? Cordial debate should be welcomed in the classroom (at a certain age obviously).
Studies show safe spaces and trigger warnings (avoidance coping) cause more harm to the individual than good. So again, agree to disagree.
Are you a teacher? If you truly believe in suppressing certain speech because someone deems it "hateful" than I hope very few agree with you. Even if it is truly hateful, evil, immoral, etc... allow it. It won't hold up under the scrutiny of good debate. If i misinterpreted your beliefs, I apologize as I am definitely susceptible to misinterpretation.
Bullying?
Betsy De Vos?
Obfuscation, obfuscation, obfuscation. I could answer the rest of your questions, but this is going nowhere and it's time for bed.
WOAH so they work maybe 210 days out of 365. Grueling.
Lol! Betsy De Vos. Oh yes, she’s a scary lady. Maybe they should create a safe space for those fragile students/parents/idiots afraid of her.
Trans kids aren’t a real thing. They actually bring the attention on themselves. So maybe try another dumb example?
If someone claims you only work 1 day per week and you correct them that you work 4, they'd be an idiot to mock you on the basis of not working 5 b/c that's never what you claimed, right? Guess which role you're actually playing in this scenario now? (I put it in bold to help you out.)
Subtract weekends and you're at 210 of 260ish. Add all the personal time teachers spend planning and grading on their own time -- including weekends and summers -- and it starts whittling into that time off. And then there are all the ongoing certification requirements. I daresay there's a lot more off-the-clock work and continuing certification requirements for teachers than for most professions.
Yes, teachers get more time off, but it's not as much as you claim, and it's not as free as you claim. If a teacher is only making 75% of whatever comparable job you want to come up with, and you're justifying it on the basis of their working only 75% as much as that other job, your calculations are off. If a teacher is complaining that they only make 95% of that other job when they truly work 90% as much, then they're off. I don't see any teachers making that mistake here, though. You are.
She's an example. Decreasing funding overall and transferring more public funds to more charter schools, then criticizing what public schools are doing with less advantaged populations and less money would be another. That's going on at the state level in many of the 30+ states with Republican state legislatures. That's a bit more than just one Ms. De Vos, but that's quite a bit more to type, and you'll dismiss that entirely, too, so if you were an honest person, you'd recognize why it wasn't worth my time to type it the first time, and why it was a waste of time to do so for you now.
That's not for teachers to say. Just like immigration status, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Teachers teach, and that includes providing a classroom environment (ie, "space") where students have minimal distractions, including being bullied or belittled (ie, "safe").
Big difference. What religion you subscribe to or immigration status or sexual orientation are real things. Boys thinking they are actually girls and girls thinking they are actually boys, aren’t real things.
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