Yeah but no one's expecting them to win it every year.
KU's done fine for having 35 transfers, ineligibles or injured stars every year. They'll sail to a title next year without having to rely on OADs.
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Yeah but no one's expecting them to win it every year.
KU's done fine for having 35 transfers, ineligibles or injured stars every year. They'll sail to a title next year without having to rely on OADs.
Oh, so "Cuz I feel like it" is all the explanation you wanted? lol Well, okay, I offer a statement b/c no justification is necessary b/c I feeeeeeeel like it.
Nope. 'Cuz I feel like it' isn't a reason. I am curious as to why it is important to convince yourself that every program would take a class full of OADs when that isn't true. Actually, I wasn't curious as to why you thought that at all at the time because I didn't think you did (or would). That surprised me. I was curious as to why some Duke fans felt it was important to put that out there so much. I assume there is a reason. If there isn't a reason then it makes it a bit strange but that's ok. It doesn't make it any more true though.
I"ll always have a special place in my heart for Matty Ice since we don't beat Gonzaga in 2015 without him but seriously? Jones isn't half the player Trent is. Gary, though streaky, was a better 3 point shooter than senior Matt Jones and has the ability to create his own floater in the lane. Watching Jones try to dribble in transition or get into the lane was torture. The guy is just a flat out role player in college.
Thornton over Duval? I'm laughing imaging Tyler trying to score on KU's defense. Duval was the reason we were in that game and in a position to win despite Allen, Trent and Carter playing like crap.
Results are all that matter at the end. Whether a program overachieves or underachieves by only reaching the Sweet 16 is irrelevant. I just figure the overachieving program has a good Xs & Os coach but is a shitty recruiter.
Recruiting is more important than actual in-game coaching imo. Talent wins championships and if you don't have it, you're going to have a rough time as a coach no matter how good you are at Xs & Os.
Me? Not for the most part.
I think there is more to it than just replacing points. Obviously Trent is a better scorer than Jones. But if he isn't hitting his shots, Trent does nothing to make the team better. And yes, Duvall played a good game offensively, but let's not pretend he didn't also make costly mistakes as well. I feel like the ability to play man to man with Thornton and Jones offsets the points we would lose on offense. Thornton is nowhere near the talent as Duvall, but when you have Bagley and Carter as bigs, that alone helps close the gap. I just feel like Thornton and Jones would have made it a little harder for Newman to pick us apart instead of us having to play zone in order to cover up major defensive flaws.
All of this is hypothetical, and I could find other senior contributors that would maybe help my argument better, but I just chose two out of the list you gave.
Being convinced doesn't require convincing yourself.
Doesn't make it any less true.
Your coach admitted he wanted some of the OADs that went to Duke and Kentucky. You think Roy is the only Division I coach that thinks that way or nah? I mean these OADs have other schools listed besides Duke and Kentucky. You seem to be upset because we're repeating a well known fact? If so, please tell me the coaches who have stated they will turn away any OAD player.
Umm, that is what I’ve said. I feel like you haven’t read my comments. Of course he wants some of them. He has wanted a bunch of the ones they have gotten. I said that already. He doesn't want a class full of them, which is why I said it is partly true. This is several times now this fairly simple, and not all that controversial, point has been expressed.
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That's not a fact. Roy would want some OAD's but not the roster turnover that Duke and UK experience every year. You guys recruit over players all the time and some coaches probably wouldn't want that.
It is a fact! Roy said he wanted the same players Duke and Kentucky got and explained how he also recruited them. Was he doing it for nothing?
No, again, he was doing it because he wanted some of them. No coach wants every player they recruit. They don’t even have the room for every player they recruit. When guys commit things always get readjusted for a number of factors. I feel like anyone with any basic understanding of how recruiting works understands this.
I don't disagree, but there are way too many examples of less talented teams beating more talented teams to say that so definitively. It's really unlikely, for example, that a team of 5 star freshmen will lose to a veteran D-2 team even early in the season b/c the talent differential is so great, but by the Sweet 16, the talent differential has grown close enough that coaching before, coaching during, and execution pretty easily and pretty frequently bridge the talent gap.
Coaches don't recruit players they don't want. They want each player they recruit.
Only in isolation but you are certainly smart enough to understand what I mean. Things are also often contingent on other recruits. Again, things we all know.
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That, or he ate a bunch of ****** sandwiches at lunch. My god he’s playing dumb.
I can see how you do well teaching younger kids. You’re way more patient that I am. Kudos.
I would think you are also smart enough to accept that any coach who had the opportunity to bring in a couple top 5 players would do so w/o bickering over what constitutes "multiple" OADs in the most literal terms possible.
Some coaches don't want to bring in 3 or 4 sure fire OADs. You can believe so if you want to though.
Why are you trying so hard to convince yourself that any coach would reject the prospect of bringing in 2 or 3 OADs?
Based on some of the posts above Roy Williams would! Eyeroll
Yes, in certain circumstances he would stop recruiting a player who was a sure OAD. Again, not saying he would not take some either. He certainly would. He has lost tons of guys to both UK and Duke he wanted. No one is taking shots at what K and Cal do. You do know coaches stop recruiting guys (even good players) all the time for various reasons? I feel like you guys follow recruiting enough to know this goes on.
I heard K stopped recruiting EJ Montgomery because he wants to be OAD.
I'm not sure why he stopped recruiting EJ. Carey reclassifying maybe? Or a grad transfer he feels fits better?
I am confident that Roy turns down great talent to let them go to lesser basketball programs like Kentucky and Duke.Eyeroll
We UK fans sure appreciate it.
It’s really not hard to understand that recruiting is roster building, and sometimes players just fit better.
If a top-10 recruit showed a ton of interest, no, I don’t think anybody would close that door. If you’re lumped in with 10 different schools, then yeah, I think it’s feasible you’d trend toward a player who fits your model better.
Somehow this will be interpreted as “Kentucky is only successful because UNC has a non-top 5 policy”, though
If a top-10 recruit showed a ton of interest, no, I don’t think anybody would close that door. If you’re lumped in with 10 different schools, then yeah, I think it’s feasible you’d trend toward a player who fits your model better.
Somehow this will be interpreted as “Kentucky is only successful because UNC has a non-top 5 policy”, though
Makes me wonder if Roy got all the recruits he wanted, would he have had multiple OAD's on one team.
Is the narrative of Roy's desire to get OAD's, a by product of him not landing them, while amidst in a fake classes scandal?
I wouldn't be surprised if Coby White and Little are both OAD's.
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They could be. I assume Little will be. I don't think anyone really expects White to be but you never know.
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