KU holding DeSousa Out of Games
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Link? Or just twitter?
Never mind. I see it. Gary Parrish saying that FF banner will be coming down too.
Never mind. I see it. Gary Parrish saying that FF banner will be coming down too.
And...they will continue to do so until there is a definitive outcome on his playing status. Obvious move is obvious.
Bill Self is just as guilty in this as SDS is. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
KU also has KJ Lawson
Silvio could be done. Might not be though.
Makes sense to sit him until everything is cleared up if it is.
As of now there has been no hard evidence from Kansas giving DeSousa money. The Maryland stuff hasn’t been proven correct.
It could be DeSousa serves a suspension for the 2500 and pays it back.
Need to see the verdict on the trial.
Silvio could be done. Might not be though.
Makes sense to sit him until everything is cleared up if it is.
As of now there has been no hard evidence from Kansas giving DeSousa money. The Maryland stuff hasn’t been proven correct.
It could be DeSousa serves a suspension for the 2500 and pays it back.
Need to see the verdict on the trial.
SDS is done. Doesn't even matter if Kansas knew, which all indications are that Bill Self was aware. I am not sure how the player gets punished in this scenario, but not the head coach.
Bill Self, Kansas Were Aware of Adidas' Role in Silvio De Sousa's Recruitment
Gassnola testified he agreed to provide De Sousa's guardian, Fenny Falmagne, $20,000 to help guide him to Kansas and "get out from under" a payment already in place to send the forward to Maryland. He also testified he paid $90,000 to Billy Preston's mother before he also ended up at Kansas.
Schlabach included a number of the text messages the defense attorneys presented in his report, including one from Townsend to Gassnola revealing Self talked to Falmagne.
Schlabach also passed along the following exchange that occurred three days before Kansas announced its 12-year, $191 million extension with Adidas:
"Self responded: 'I'm happy with Adidas. Just got to get a couple real guys.'
"Gassnola replied: 'In my mind, it's KU, bill self. Everyone else fall into line. Too [expletive] bad. That's what's right for Adidas basketball. And I know I am RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery pics [sic] and you happy. That's how it should work in my mind.'"
Bill Self, Kansas Were Aware of Adidas' Role in Silvio De Sousa's Recruitment
Gassnola testified he agreed to provide De Sousa's guardian, Fenny Falmagne, $20,000 to help guide him to Kansas and "get out from under" a payment already in place to send the forward to Maryland. He also testified he paid $90,000 to Billy Preston's mother before he also ended up at Kansas.
Schlabach included a number of the text messages the defense attorneys presented in his report, including one from Townsend to Gassnola revealing Self talked to Falmagne.
Schlabach also passed along the following exchange that occurred three days before Kansas announced its 12-year, $191 million extension with Adidas:
"Self responded: 'I'm happy with Adidas. Just got to get a couple real guys.'
"Gassnola replied: 'In my mind, it's KU, bill self. Everyone else fall into line. Too [expletive] bad. That's what's right for Adidas basketball. And I know I am RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery pics [sic] and you happy. That's how it should work in my mind.'"
Seems like you are missing a key part of Gassnolas testimony under oath....
It's a good move until a verdict is rendered and the NCAA decides what more is to follow.
I understand it. Fans are already looking for proof of cheating in any texts so that's what their mind will tell them. I know I'm the opposite and looking for non-cheating so going to be influenced by that.
What I find funny is everyone, fans and media, cling harder to the defense accusations and texts with no context given to the texts and statements made by a lawyer while not under oath. But they want to forget/not believe the testimony from a witness who if FBI finds out lied under oath loses his plea agreement. That guy actually has something to lose.
I wouldnt hold out anyone (unless they absolutely know things can be traced). All this stuff is so hard to prove, let the NCAA move like molasses. This is all unprecedented
Probably. Can you fill in the gap? I haven't followed all of this so I'm not even sure which team to pull for (prosecution or defense). No idea what the downstream effects are.
Cliff Alexander
Cheick Diallo
Carlton Bragg
Billy Preston
Silvio DeSousa
It's an ongoing tradition at KU to recruit elite high school forwards and then have them sit on the bench for their time there.
Yeahhhh, I don't know if that's a good way to handle this. If you don't want games to get vacated, you better sit the kid. Especially in KU's case, they are extremely deep at that position.
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Asked by the government why he concealed the payments to the families of the five players, Gassnola said, “I didn’t want people to find out.”
Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/c...of-kansas/article219820675.html#storylink=cpy
Gassnola repeatedly has testified he never discussed the specifics of how he was helping Kansas secure top recruits with Self or Kurtis Townsend, a Kansas assistant who also texted the Adidas consultant about De Sousa.
Yeah thats true. I just think this trial is far from the kind of proof that the NCAA would need and they move soo slow. Things could be quite different by the time punishment would be handed down
Granted I havent been following this all as closely as I would have liked if I had time
No shot. Zion played last night. Zona flipped the NCAA off last year and continued to play Ayton. What makes you think everyone mentioned would be sat?
After what the NCAA did to U6, what KU fans should be afraid of is if the NCAA liked it..... to the point that they're ready to swing the hammer again.
I think the schools and players involved should probably be re-vetted by the schools and turnover their findings to the ncaa to insure they are good to go---which I'm sure every school has/is doing. Thats their only responsibility and if the ncaa gives them the go ahead----then play ball.
Well I was just asking the question.
Zona knew the ESPN article got basically everything wrong
And I’m guessing Duke has vetted the Zion situation extensively. There’s a reason UK, UNC etc went all out for Zion until the very end.
The only information out there now is Zions stepdad SUPPOSEDLY asked for extra benefits. There is zero evidence they received any illegal benefits and as we’ve seen the last couple weeks folks in America are still innocent until proven guilty.
I’m glad Zion is at Duke. He’s an absolute phenom.
I am excited to watch him and he is a phenom.
But isnt all this trial stuff "supposedly" for everyone? Im not trying to instigate either, I know you guys have followed this closer than I have.
If I’m not mistaken there is no actual evidence, text messages, wire taps etc to show Zions stepdad asking or receiving anything extra. It’s all second/third/ fourth hand. Meaning it’s hearsay and wouldn’t stand a chance in court.
If Duke plays Zion and I do comes out that his stepdad did in fact take extra benefits then I’ll accept the consequences the program gets handed down. But to sit a kid because he said she said with no tangible evidence is absurd.
sounds kinda like the stuff kansas is being grilled about, does it not?
Well there are text messages and wire taps that were introducers into evidence if I’m not mistaken. Show that DeSousa did in fact receive impermissible benefits. No?
I don't think they were allowed and Self wasn't recorded on wire tap to my knowledge---they attempted to, but they didn't. Gassnola was the main contact and the guy had everything to gain by saying self or staff knew under oath---but still didn't. Code was the one telling our assistant what Zion wanted (and code is a guy that desperately needs people to believe coaches and staffs knew---so he avoids jail time.) Our assistant said we need to find some way to get him here---which could mean finding the job and finding housing---but never specifically mentioned the monetary demands. That wont fly for penalties for zion or kansas in my mind.
You’re referring strictly to Zion. I’d agree that nothing comes of it.
DeSousa is a different issue. I think last seasons FF comes down and he never plays at ku again just my opinion.
In the court of law....... wire taps and evidence are taking into account with more belief than a testimony during the trial. Why? because during a wire tap people dont know they are being tapped........ during a trial... people have time to make up lies.
I'm not leaning that way yet. Kansas and the NCAA knew of issues---what exact issues, i don't know---before he was cleared last season. KS played him based off the ncaa's approval and it looks like once they have learned additional info regarding impermissible benefits, they will sit him again---just like they have a pattern of sitting any player when something like this comes up. If the school does everything by the book and always reports what they know and always follows the ncaa's advice--what do you do.
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