kenpom ranks the programs

[cooljeff]

https://theathletic.com/914833/2019...t-on-the-coaching-carousel/?source=dailyemail

he is ranking performance since 1998

For starters, here are the top 10 programs from this effort:

1. Duke
2. Kansas
3. North Carolina
4. Kentucky
5. Michigan State
6. Wisconsin
7. Louisville
8. Florida
9. Villanova
10. Gonzaga

Here are the top 10 openings in terms of program ranking:

1. Cincinnati (20th)
2. UCLA (29th)
3. Alabama (47th)
4. Vanderbilt (48th)
5. Arkansas (49th)
6. BYU (56th)
7. Texas A&M (57th)
8. Temple (61st)
9. Virginia Tech (64th)
10. California (69th)
    
    I am not sure he is saying they are better jobs...he is ranking program performance since 1998...I would suppose he is trying to give an objective ranking of program performance and then "better job" is probably where you apply subjective measures to form your own opinion...I mean by his measure Cronin took a step down to move from Cinci to UCLA and no one really believes that...I don't know man, math is not my bag but i am a sucker for lists/rankings
    
    

I would guess it is possible that he is purely ranking performance on the court and not giving any weight to things such as championships, final four runs/etc...so it is likely just a beginning base line measure of performance which is why you have Uconn in the 30's even with 2 Championships in that period of time...

 

[cooljeff]

from the article...
What I’ve done here is pretty simple. I’ve taken an average of each team’s adjusted efficiency margin since the 1998 season, giving more weight to more recent seasons while adding a dash of current conference affiliation. The objective is to produce a ranking of programs based on the success we would expect them to have over the next decade or so assuming a typical coach for that program. It should also match what most coaches generally think about when considering whether to pursue a particular job.

 

[Big_Blue79]

Doesn't UConn have 4 titles since 1998? 1999, 2004, 2011, and 2014. I honestly thought Kentucky would be lower since that time period includes the lean Tubby years and the Billy G disaster years.

 

[dukedevilz]

So Mick Cronin leaving Cincinnati for UCLA was a lateral move, eh? Maybe even a slight downgrade.

 

[duckboy33]

So Mick Cronin leaving Cincinnati for UCLA was a lateral move, eh? Maybe even a slight downgrade.

Higher upside at UCLA than Cincy. UCLA has just lacked the consistency that Cronin brought to Cincy

 

[Quavarius]

Gonzaga at #10.

Amazing cause in 1998, no one had ever heard of Gonzaga.

 

[dukedevilz]

Higher upside at UCLA than Cincy. UCLA has just lacked the consistency that Cronin brought to Cincy

Just poking at the situation a little. I can't imagine many (if any) coaches would take Cincinnati over UCLA.

In terms of most sought-after coaching positions, I would rank 'em something like this:

Tier 1 (1-4):
Duke
Kansas
Kentucky
North Carolina

Tier 2 (5-10):
Indiana
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan State
UCLA

Tier 3 (11-20):
Arizona
Florida
Gonzaga
Ohio State
Oregon
Purdue
Syracuse
Texas
Villanova
Virginia

The three different tiers are listed in alphabetical order, btw. I'm not ranking the schools 1-20.

Tier 4:
I don't know, too many teams at this point... here are some that come to mind:

ACC: Florida State, Notre Dame, NC State
Big East: Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier, St.John's
Big 12: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Baylor, West Virginia
Big Ten: Maryland, Wisconsin
Pac-12: Washington
SEC: LSU... and probably any SEC school that's willing to pay $
AAC: Cincinnati, Houston, UConn

 

[Afamu]

That cant be. I for sure thought UNC fans said they have been better with Roy at the helm.

 

[bMORE607]

Just poking at the situation a little. I can't imagine many (if any) coaches would take Cincinnati over UCLA.

In terms of most sought-after coaching positions, I would rank 'em something like this:

Tier 1 (1-4):
Duke
Kansas
Kentucky
North Carolina

Tier 2 (5-10):
Indiana
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan State
UCLA

Tier 3 (11-20):
Arizona
Florida
Gonzaga
Ohio State
Oregon
Purdue
Syracuse
Texas
Villanova
Virginia

The three different tiers are listed in alphabetical order, btw. I'm not ranking the schools 1-20.

Tier 4:
I don't know, too many teams at this point... here are some that come to mind:

ACC: Florida State, Notre Dame, NC State
Big East: Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier, St.John's
Big 12: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Baylor, West Virginia
Big Ten: Maryland, Wisconsin
Pac-12: Washington
SEC: LSU... and probably any SEC school that's willing to pay $
AAC: Cincinnati, Houston, UConn

Maryland has to be in tier 3, they are above some of the teams you put in there. Won a national championship this century, flagship school of UA (they got $, but shitty shoes), DMV is a great recruiting area, and they are a basketball first school, sometimes at least.

 

[jhmossy]

Maryland has to be in tier 3, they are above some of the teams you put in there. Won a national championship this century, flagship school of UA (they got $, but shitty shoes), DMV is a great recruiting area, and they are a basketball first school, sometimes at least.

Women's lacrosse school

 

[bMORE607]

Women's lacrosse school

We dominate that shit. The 2nd best program’s head coach came from Maryland. We just need to start dumping all our money into that.

 

[Hank_]

Wisconsin over Louisville is interesting, but kind of makes sense when he said he adjusted for conference strength.

 

[dukedevilz]

Maryland has to be in tier 3, they are above some of the teams you put in there. Won a national championship this century, flagship school of UA (they got $, but shitty shoes), DMV is a great recruiting area, and they are a basketball first school, sometimes at least.

I put that list together in like 10 minutes. I haven't done a thorough analysis on it. I wasn't trying to determine the most successful programs - simply the most desirable coaching positions. I agree Delmarva is a hotbed for high school basketball. Duke has certainly plucked quite a few guys from there...

Part of me thinks who would want to coach at Gonzaga and Syracuse after Few and Boeheim retire? I mean, the WCC is still a mid-major conference - and Syracuse ain't getting warmer anytime soon. So maybe those two schools don't belong on that list... There are a lot of factors that could be considered: program history/prestige, recent tournament success/current state of program, alumni support, salary, geographical location, etc. I personally wouldn't have an issue with Maryland being on tier-3. Just a matter of perception/opinion I suppose.

 

[buckymel]

We dominate that shit. The 2nd best program’s head coach came from Maryland. We just need to start dumping all our money into that.

Pretty interesting.
B1G is a women sports conference, apparently.
Seems every school has a sport they are very good at.

 

[bMORE607]

Pretty interesting.
B1G is a women sports conference, apparently.
Seems every school has a sport they are very good at.

2nd best program is of course Northwestern Laughing

 

[buckymel]

2nd best program is of course Northwestern Laughing

Us and Minnehaha are hockey powers.
Combined we won over 60% of women's Frozen Four titles.

 

[bMORE607]

Us and Minnehaha are hockey powers.
Combined we won over 60% of women's Frozen Four titles.

Looked it up B1G has won 22 of the 37 championships.
Maryland 13
NW 7
Pedos 2

 

[della]

Just poking at the situation a little. I can't imagine many (if any) coaches would take Cincinnati over UCLA.

In terms of most sought-after coaching positions, I would rank 'em something like this:

Tier 1 (1-4):
Duke
Kansas
Kentucky
North Carolina

Tier 2 (5-10):
Indiana
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan State
UCLA

Tier 3 (11-20):
Arizona
Florida
Gonzaga
Ohio State
Oregon
Purdue
Syracuse
Texas
Villanova
Virginia

The three different tiers are listed in alphabetical order, btw. I'm not ranking the schools 1-20.

Tier 4:
I don't know, too many teams at this point... here are some that come to mind:

ACC: Florida State, Notre Dame, NC State
Big East: Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier, St.John's
Big 12: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Baylor, West Virginia
Big Ten: Maryland, Wisconsin
Pac-12: Washington
SEC: LSU... and probably any SEC school that's willing to pay $
AAC: Cincinnati, Houston, UConn

That thinking is flawed. Elite coaches make the program and not the reverse. What was UCLA before Wooden? Why does UK pay extreme price and a lifetime contract for Cal. This is true for all sports.

Minnesota was once a CFB super power, but they are considered meh now. More recently, long time powerhouse Nebraska's star has dulled and will go out all together if the new coach can't resurrect them.

The coach and a willing athletic dept. determine what is what. The buildings and the history mean very little and can wither away in time in light of poor coaching.

 

[buckymel]

Looked it up B1G has won 22 of the 37 championships.
Maryland 13
NW 7
Pedos 2

Well, I suppose some of your titles belong to ACC.

 

[bMORE607]

Well, I suppose some of your titles belong to ACC.

Nah fvck it

 

[boilerzz]

Women's lacrosse school

 

[buckymel]

Threads like this are where you don't see Iowa fans.
SmokinSmile

 

[lurkeraspect84]

 

[TechFan88]

I wonder where he ranked our program when Beard was hired and if its gone up any.

 

[jhmossy]

Since the NCAA tournament expanded to 64 teams, here is a list of major conference coaches who have had a two year span where they lost six games or fewer and won a national title:

Tony Bennett

 

[buckymel]

Since the NCAA tournament expanded to 64 teams, here is a list of major conference coaches who have had a two year span where they lost six games or fewer and won a national title:

Tony Bennett

So it begins.

 

[jhmossy]

So it begins.

Just getting started brother. I feel like I've been pretty tame so far.

 

[buckymel]

Just getting started brother. I feel like I've been pretty tame so far.

Do you think we might have to resort to the "Ignore" button?

 

[jhmossy]

Do you think we might have to resort to the "Ignore" button?

If you haven't put me on ignore yet, I doubt anything I'll do going forward will lead to that happening.

 

[MGC_07]

5th begins the 4 blue bloods. Can’t complain.

 

[bkingUK]

Doesn't UConn have 4 titles since 1998? 1999, 2004, 2011, and 2014. I honestly thought Kentucky would be lower since that time period includes the lean Tubby years and the Billy G disaster years.

Yea, no UConn has to be red flag

 

[CO_hawk]

Threads like this are where you don't see Iowa fans.
SmokinSmile

Found you.

 

[kl40504]

Just getting started brother. I feel like I've been pretty tame so far.

It is interesting that a one hit wonder is on here bragging.

 

[jhmossy]

It is interesting that a one hit wonder is on here bragging.

Yeah I should probably be bragging about beating some teams from the Bahamas or my top ranked recruiting classes that can't even make the Final Four. If you can't brag after winning a national title, then when can you brag? Go eat a bag of dicks.

 

[uncfan in ky]

That cant be. I for sure thought UNC fans said they have been better with Roy at the helm.

UNC has been the best since Roy took over. Here’s a hint for you.... he didn’t take over in 1998.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

KenPom has always made me scratch my head and this article isn’t granting a different reaction. I don’t really understand what he’s getting at... The most desirable coaching positions? The best programs? Ultimately the criteria of ranking by efficiency and splashing in personal opinion just makes no sense.

If we’re talking about success, I can’t comprehend leaving off UConn. How is Wisconsin listed but not Arizona? Syracuse?

Aside from success, desirability isn’t that high for Nova, Fl, Gonz or Wisc. — As much as Indiana basketball has sucked this century, it’s still one of the most elite coaching jobs in the country. Plenty of other examples.

 

[MKordIUBB]

Surprised no Florida in the top 10

 

[BeerPoisoning]

Surprised no Florida in the top 10

#8

 

[Afamu]

UNC has been the best since Roy took over. Here’s a hint for you.... he didn’t take over in 1998.

Very aware of when Roy started his career and when he came to UNC.

Hasn't been the best, but I am sure you disagree

 

[uncfan in ky]

Very aware of when Roy started his career and when he came to UNC.

Hasn't been the best, but I am sure you disagree

No coach has won more championships during his timeframe with UNC. Only UCONN has the same amount of championships during that span.
Please tell me whose been better than Roy during this time?