I think it's hard not to put Drew and Few up there as well. Both have done a lot with some situations that didn't exactly have huge built in advantages when they arrived.I just don't see how it's anyone but Self right now.
Currently or all-time stats?Choose your own criteria.
I think it's hard not to put Drew and Few up there as well. Both have done a lot with some situations that didn't exactly have huge built in advantages when they arrived.
Fair, but on my next point, I hardly ever agree with Seth Davis, but I agree with him on this:They are both great coaches but would prefer to see more sustained success from Drew and an actual title from Few (to think they are on the same level as Self). But yeah, they have certainly taken programs that were basically nothing and made them pretty great.
Baylor was shit. Wasn't Baylor where teammates were murdering each other?Fair, but on my next point, I hardly ever agree with Seth Davis, but I agree with him on this:
Seriously, taking Baylor to three elite eights (by the way, the two elite games he lost, that team won the natty), one final four and one natty, is seriously amazing- how many other coaches would stick around and actually work that hard to build Baylor up from nothing??
Yep. It was a shitshow.Baylor was shit. Wasn't Baylor where teammates were murdering each other?
Fair, but on my next point, I hardly ever agree with Seth Davis, but I agree with him on this:
Seriously, taking Baylor to three elite eights (by the way, the two elite games he lost, that team won the natty), one final four and one natty, is seriously amazing- how many other coaches would stick around and actually work that hard to build Baylor up from nothing??
Yes, and the head coach Bliss was caught on tape trying to cover it up...Baylor was shit. Wasn't Baylor where teammates were murdering each other?
Very interested to see how KSU looks next season without K. Johnson, who I think was preseason SEC POY before his health very scary issue two years ago.Drew morphed from national punchline to top 5 coach in the game practically overnight. Stealing the “no middle” defense from Adams and Beard worked wonders for his career. Of course, at this point most of the Big 12 uses it.
You have to wonder how much of an impact Tang had at Baylor. K-State transformed from disaster to top 15 team overnight.
SelfChoose your own criteria.
I don't think that's as true for Few as it is for Drew. When Few took over Gonzaga they were coming off a trip to the Elite 8. When Drew took over Baylor in 2003 they were coming off a season where a player murdered a teammate. The program was almost cancelled entirely and Drew was left with 7 scholarship players. The first four years of Drew's tenure they won a total of 36 games.I think it's hard not to put Drew and Few up there as well. Both have done a lot with some situations that didn't exactly have huge built in advantages when they arrived.
Choose your own criteria.
I'm more than happy to pay players if it gets me Kansas' Final Fours and titles.Self is the best at paying players
Self is the best at paying players
I'd like to see Kalvin Sampson win it with Houston.We're entering a new era of young(er) coaches taking the reigns.
Who's gonna step up? Be a little funny watching a HOF coach win it again.
This is some first class delusionAdidas testified under oath that Self was unaware of any payments, you little conspiracy theorist.
To rub into the NCAA and or IU fans or just because you like a lot of teams, players, and coaches?I'd like to see Kalvin Sampson win it with Houston.
To rub into the NCAA and or IU fans or just because you like a lot of teams, players, and coaches?
This is some first class delusion
You mean like Oral Roberts, Tulsa, and to a lesser degree Illinois?Until Bill Self turns a program around like Scott Drew did he's not getting my vote.
Yep, and we had to vacate multiple seasons and fire the coach. Too bad Kansas doesn’t get held to the same standardWhen in Rome...
Do you think any of your program's players have been paid?
I mean…the guy who Kansas was on tape saying they can’t afford literally ended up at Duke. So I don’t think you have to theoretically make that swap. Unless you believe that Zion preferred that family atmosphere over $100k+..I'm more than happy to pay players if it gets me Kansas' Final Fours and titles.
Yep, and we had to vacate multiple seasons and fire the coach. Too bad Kansas doesn’t get held to the same standard
I must've missed those schools winning a national championship and becoming consistently elite under Self.You mean like Oral Roberts, Tulsa, and to a lesser degree Illinois?