IU and UK fans. It's time.

[ExitFlagger]

UK/Duke won two titles in 16 NCAAT's----Non, OAD led teams won the other 14. But because Duke and UKs two titles made up 13% of titles won, and is then compared to UCLA, means the OAD model is better....Its such an asinine argument. How can you say OAD teams do not fail at a higher rate, when well, they actually do? There has not been a OAD led team in the FF since.................
2015. Yet your argument is, OAD is better, and fails less?

So it's asinine to suggest that Wright/Self/etc would have won more if they sprinkled in more elite freshmen?

You're comparing two programs to everybody else. Of course the odds are in favor of the rest of the field. Like I said in my last post, even the most dominant teams have about a 15-20% chance of winning it all. This take also implies that Wright/Self/Roy/etc couldn't have done better with any of those rosters.

"The Chiefs have only won two Super Bowls in the last decade. Other NFL teams won the other 8. The rest of the league clearly has a better model."

One of us is making an asinine argument, but it's not me.

Really?

I think coaches like Wright, Self, Drew, build their rosters differently. They do not persue munltiple Top 5, 10 kids. Do I think there is purpose to this? Absolutely. And its whay their programs have been so strong.

You can think that all you want about Self, but I've been following his recruiting pretty closely for years and that's just not true. He pursues tons of top 10 players; he just doesn't usually get them.

You only focus on the high points for these coaches. What about all the mediocre or bad years that Wright, Drew, UConn have had? What went wrong with the model in those years? Now how often did K or Calipari have a bad year with their OAD-heavy teams?

The funny thing is that you agreed with me before that the ideal mix would be 2-3 elite freshmen surrounded by a bunch of seasoned vets. Now you're saying that it's better to build teams without them. Which is it?

 

[IUfanBorden]

So it's asinine to suggest that Wright/Self/etc would have won more if they sprinkled in more elite freshmen?

You're comparing two programs to everybody else. Of course the odds are in favor of the rest of the field. Like I said in my last post, even the most dominant teams have at best a 15-20% chance of winning it all. This take also implies that Wright/Self/Roy/etc couldn't have done better with any of those rosters.

"The Chiefs have only won two Super Bowls in the last decade. Other NFL teams won the other 8. The rest of the league clearly has a better model."

One of us is making an asinine argument, but it's not me.




You can think that all you want about Self, but I've been following his recruiting pretty closely for years and that's simply not true. Not even close. He pursues tons of top 10 players; he just doesn't usually get them.

You only focus on the high points for these coaches. What about all the mediocre or bad years that Wright, Drew, UConn have had? What went wrong with the model in those years? Now how often did K or Calipari have a bad year with their OAD-heavy teams?

The funny thing is that you agreed with me before that the ideal mix would be 2-3 elite freshmen surrounded by a bunch of seasoned vets. Now you're saying that it's better to build teams without them. Which is it?

Man, this is not how i envisioned my Saturday. JFC.. You are using silly arguments, i.e the Chiefs. Its professional sports...That should be enough of an explanation.

Again, and not so sure what is so fukin hard to understand, BUT----Not all OAD are the same. Kids like AD, MKG, Okafor, Winslow, etc....Are of a different cloth. These aren't your Maxeys, Teagues, Jones type of OAD's. When you have that perfect mixture---it really works. When you dont----it does not.

K has 13 Final Fours----10 of those came before the OAD era... 2014 when he apparently "adopted" the OAD model, he won a title in 2015. Had two second round exits, two elite 8's and missed the tourney all-together.

Cal was very good early-- 2010 Elite 8....2011 and 12 FF----2013 NIT....2014 and 15 FF. Two of those teams were not like the others. 2011/14. Not dominant by no means, and easily could have lost early. 2016 second round....2017 Elite 8....2018 SW 16.. 2021 went 9-16.

Drew not a good example---He took over a dumpster fire.

Again, you argued its the best model for winning a title....But the facts/numbers do not support that. If you say its the best model to produce deep runs, then sure. But there is a rason OAD teams have only won 2 titles in 16 NCAAT's.

OAD best for deep NCAAT runs?---Yes
OAD best for winning titles?---No.

 

[ExitFlagger]

2014 UK was also a play or two away from losing early.

So what? It took 75 miracles for Virginia to win in 2019. '22 KU damn near lost their 2nd and 3rd games, and were down 15 in the title game and barely won. '08 KU needed Mario's Miracle. Nova needed a buzzer beating three to win in '16. Etc, etc.

OAD teams have a lot of success. and that success is big. I read a nice article on the OAD, and the success those teams had, is better,. There has been 12 teams with 3 or more OADs.....5 made the FF----2 won tthe title. 9 made the Elite 8. But its also a broken pattern. Are we saying the OAD is the best path to deep NCAAT runs-----------OR to winning a title? These are different arguments. Deep runs? Sure. I can get on board with that. But at the end of the day, the goal is to win, when you recruit like that---You are building for a title. And that model has only produced two titles. And look, not all OAD are of equla value. That 2012 UK team had a generational type of tlent...2015 Duke didnt have a generational type, but they had 5, really good frosh, with some very good upperclassmen. There to is a difference.

I can see both sides. But it takes more than just a OAD, or two---And it takes having some help; which both title teams did.

Remember, I was arguing against your take that Wright, Self, etc didn't want top 5-10 recruits and preferred to build exactly how they did. I think that's way off. I know it's way off in Self's case. Obviously I didn't follow Villanova recruiting as closely.

I've continually said that I think the ideal roster is a mix favoring vets.

OAD is very good when your OAD's are very good---and just your average OAD kid(s). And Cals dominant run was due to getting Top 5-10 kids, and multiple of them. But aside from 2012, including 2011/14, none of those teams were teams you felt was surefire title teams---especially 2011/2014. Same with Duke.

What is a "surefire title team?" Who was the last one? Wasn't it supposed to be 2015 Kentucky? Again, even the most dominant teams have low odds to win it all. There's nothing even close to a surefire title team when we're talking about the NCAA tourney.

We've all seen basketball teams play multiple games against the same opponent with wildly different results, even within the span of a few days. So why do people act like the tourney is predictable? We call it “March Madness" for a reason, right? We all talk about the wacky unpredictability of MM, yet in these arguments, everybody pretends like the better team wins every game.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Man, this is not how i envisioned my Saturday. JFC.. You are using silly arguments, i.e the Chiefs. Its professional sports...That should be enough of an explanation.

What's silly about it? It's the same logic. The rest of the league uses a better model than KC, because they've combined for more Super Bowls. Right? Even though none of them have done better individually. And even though the Chiefs are knocking on the door every single year. Their model just doesn't measure up, right?

Again, and not so sure what is so fukin hard to understand, BUT----Not all OAD are the same. Kids like AD, MKG, Okafor, Winslow, etc....Are of a different cloth. These aren't your Maxeys, Teagues, Jones type of OAD's. When you have that perfect mixture---it really works. When you dont----it does not.

Never said they were. I've been using the same definition you have. Top 5-10 recruits.

K has 13 Final Fours----10 of those came before the OAD era... 2014 when he apparently "adopted" the OAD model, he won a title in 2015. Had two second round exits, two elite 8's and missed the tourney all-together.

Cal was very good early-- 2010 Elite 8....2011 and 12 FF----2013 NIT....2014 and 15 FF. Two of those teams were not like the others. 2011/14. Not dominant by no means, and easily could have lost early. 2016 second round....2017 Elite 8....2018 SW 16.. 2021 went 9-16.

Drew not a good example---He took over a dumpster fire.

Again, you argued its the best model for winning a title....But the facts/numbers do not support that. If you say its the best model to produce deep runs, then sure. But there is a rason OAD teams have only won 2 titles in 16 NCAAT's.

OAD best for deep NCAAT runs?---Yes
OAD best for winning titles?---No.

Let me ask you.....do you think March Madness results are predictable or unpredictable? Do you think that Calipari used a faulty model in 2015 because he failed to close?

 

[Random UK Fan]

One of us is making an asinine argument, but it's not me.

Man, this is not how i envisioned my Saturday. JFC..

 

[RipThru]

Zion and AD aren't your typical, "Top 5 kids", bro.

I’m not your bro… bro.

 

[RipThru]

Not really . Lot of coaches recruit their system---not the rankings. Wright won multiple titles w/o TOp 5 kids---You dont think he can "get" that type of player? UVA won a title w/o a Top 5-10 kid....Baylor.....UConn....

Not talking to you Mr. Gofundme. Stop quoting me. I’m not interested in anything you have to say. If you think these dudes don’t want Cooper Flagg then you’re dumber than I think and that’s saying a lot.

 

[treyforuk]

Not sure what this even means?

here's what I know.....

Lot of UK fans cannot accpet losing....Or to be "pointed out"---But have no issues pointing others transgressions, but when their's are, theres always a good reason..

8 out of every 10 Uk'ers I have met, I really, really like. But BBN is the most bipolar fanbase on the planet.

FANatics. Does this explain anything?

 

[IUfanBorden]

Not talking to you Mr. Gofundme. Stop quoting me. I’m not interested in anything you have to say. If you think these dudes don’t want Cooper Flagg then you’re dumber than I think and that’s saying a lot.

When the **** did I quote you, dipshit.

Where did I say they didnt want Flagg? I said they dont go the route of OAD----Learn how to read you fukin queer.

And **** you, tbh dude. Seriously---**** you. Enough with the fukin Gofundme shit, you ****ing worthless piece of fukin shit.

 

[IUfanBorden]

FANatics. Does this explain anything?

Yeppers...

 

[IUfanBorden]

So what? It took Virginia like 75 miracles to win in 2019. '22 KU damn near lost their 2nd and 3rd games, and were down 15 in the title game and barely won. '08 KU needed Mario's Miracle. Nova needed a buzzer beating three to win in '16. Etc, etc.



Remember, I was arguing against your take that Wright, Self, etc didn't want top 5-10 recruits and preferred to build exactly how they did. I think that's way off. I know it's way off in Self's case. Obviously I didn't follow Villanova recruiting as closely.

I've continually said that I think the ideal roster is a mix favoring vets.



What is a "surefire title team?" Who was the last one? Wasn't it supposed to be 2015 Kentucky? Again, even the most dominant teams have low odds to win it all. There's nothing even close to a surefire title team when we're talking about the NCAA tourney.

We've all seen basketball teams play multiple games against the same opponent with wildly different results, even within the span of a few days. So why do people act like the tourney is predictable? We call it “March Madness" for a reason, right? We all talk about the wacky unpredictability of MM, yet in these arguments, everybody pretends like the better team wins every game.

 

[kyjeff1]

That's basically saying that you expect to see Duke and/or Kentucky in the final four every year. And by your own admission, one of those teams has had an underwhelming coach. That same coach did far better with OAD-heavy teams than with recent teams full of vets.

You have to understand that you're comparing two programs to........everybody else. Of course the odds are in favor of the field. Even if you have one of the greatest rosters of all time and are undefeated going into the tourney, the odds are still heavily in favor of the field. Even the most dominant teams are generally given a 15-20% chance to win it all. Choose two good programs that aren't OAD factories. Do you expect one of them to be in the final four every year?

Look at 2014 Kentucky. All freshmen with a couple sophomores sprinkled in. No generational talents. Went into the tourney as a freaking 8 seed and they were a play or two away from a nat'l title. With, by your admission, a mediocre coach. His old teams haven't even come close.

The numbers don't lie. OAD-heavy teams have a high rate of success. What do you think was the key to Calipari's success early on? Do you think it's just coincidence that his success started to fade when he stopped getting as many top 5-10 recruits?

OAD teams had a high rate of success until 2015 ended, since then, the game changed and there hasn't been a single one-and-done kid in the FF since.

I mean look at Wright, Drew, Bennet and Self, they went from early tournament upsets to all the sudden going deep.into the NCAAT and winning titles. The game changed.

If this was 2014, I would agree with you, but it’s 2023 and there hasn't been a single one-and-done player in the FF for 8 years.

Also, it's not just duke and KY that are getting top 10 talent. here are links to the 2021 and 22 recruiting classes to prove my point.
2022 Top Basketball Recruits

2022 Top Basketball Recruits

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247sports.com

2021 Top Basketball Recruits

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

 

[lurkeraspect84]

OAD teams had a high rate of success until 2015 ended, since then, the game changed and there hasn't been a single one-and-done kid in the FF since.

I mean look at Wright, Drew, Bennet and Self, they went from early tournament upsets to all the sudden going deep.into the NCAAT and winning titles. The game changed.

If this was 2014, I would agree with you, but it’s 2023 and there hasn't been a single one-and-done player in the FF for 8 years.

Also, it's not just duke and KY that are getting top 10 talent. here are links to the 2021 and 22 recruiting classes to prove my point.
2022 Top Basketball Recruits

2022 Top Basketball Recruits

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

2021 Top Basketball Recruits

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

What do you think happened in 2015?

An OAD-heavy team can still do it like back in the day when folks said they couldn't.
The only thing I can think of is the 8 year players which ends after this year. Also, the transfer portal is threading to one transfer for free and then sitting out a year on the 2nd.
Clearly I like you and hope you do me as well, but I think we're on the opposite ends of the UK fans spectrum.


I think some want Cal gone even if he wins or even hangs a banner this season. I'm not one of those.
Some have coaches in mind to replace Cal, I can't think of any. Can you name one or two?
Let's say Coach B comes in and signs a bunch of 3-4 stars...we wait 4 years and no banners? Is it "sign the next coach"?

I'm not drawing lines in the sand, just pointing out different outlooks for the future.

 

[kyjeff1]

I know man, I know. He’s relentless and he never gives an inch, even when he's dead wrong.

 

[kyjeff1]

What do you think happened in 2015?

An OAD-heavy team can still do it like back in the day when folks said they couldn't.
The only thing I can think of is the 8 year players which ends after this year. Also, the transfer portal is threading to one transfer for free and then sitting out a year on the 2nd.
Cleary I like you and hope you do me as well, but I think we're on the opposite ends of the UK fans spectrum.


I think some want Cal gone even if he wins or even hangs a banner this season. I'm not one of those.

I think the game changed to a more structured, spread offense that uses the 3 point shot more effectively.

Fact is, the step up from HS to college was already difficult enough, but now you're asking these HS kids to out execute juniors and seniors that are running more effective and efficient offenses.

But, the proof is right there, since the 2016 season, there hasn't been one single one-and-done player in the FF. Get old and stay old.

And yes, we definitely are on the opposite end of the Calipari spectrum. You can't prioritize the NBA draft over UK, lose at a historic rate, take no accountability, hide from the media and bark at the fans and keep me as a fan.

Cal's record against ranked teams the last 5 years, is atrocious. Too many losses in Rupp, too many lies and too many years of mediocrity.

Like I've said many times, I hope he reinvents himself and makes me eat my words, but I think he's a washed up used car salesman.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I think the game changed to a more structured, spread offense that uses the 3 point shot more effectively.

Fact is, the step up from HS to college was already difficult enough, but now you're asking these HS kids to out execute juniors and seniors that are running more effective and efficient offenses.

Bit, the proof is right there, since the 2016 season, there hasn't been one single one-and-done player in the FF. Get old and stay old.

Again, what changed from 2015 to 2016? I can't think of rule changes. Offensive and Defensive principles haven't changed for the most part. This means that not everyone is shooting 40 3's a game and gave up on 15-foot jump shots.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I think the game changed to a more structured, spread offense that uses the 3 point shot more effectively.

Fact is, the step up from HS to college was already difficult enough, but now you're asking these HS kids to out execute juniors and seniors that are running more effective and efficient offenses.

Bit, the proof is right there, since the 2016 season, there hasn't been one single one-and-done player in the FF. Get old and stay old.

If Calipari wins this year/hangs a banner. Huge if. Do you still want him gone?
If you have your mind made up, we're done here. There's no need to go forward.
*What if new guy comes in and hangs a FF banner with Pitino...err Calipari players?
This should be good.

It would be like Tubby was better than Pitino coaching. One couldn't win and the other does.

I think UNC can relate to this.

 

[kyjeff1]

Again, what changed from 2015 to 2016? I can't think of rule changes. Offensive and Defensive principles haven't changed for the most part. This means that not everyone is shooting 40 3's a game and gave up on 15-foot jump shots.

I really don't know, but if I had to guess, Jay Wright might have created the blueprint during that 2016 run.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I really don't know, but if I had to guess, Jay Wright might have created the blueprint during that 2016 run.

OK

 

[kyjeff1]

If Calipari wins this year/hangs a banner. Huge if. Do you still want him gone?
If you have your mind made up, we're done here. There's no need to go forward.
*What if new guy comes in and hangs a FF banner with Pitino...err Calipari players?
This should be good.

It would be like Tubby was better than Pitino coaching. One couldn't win and the other does.

I think UNC can relate to this.

Yeah, I'm done with him, title or not.

You don't prioritize the NBA draft, turn UK into an NBA farm team, lie and bark at me when you're the one failing. 9-16… really?

Let's be real though, he ain't winning shit. What I've seen from him the last 3 years, tells me he has nothing left up his sleeve and nobody out there is afraid to coach against him now. He’s a shell of what he used to be.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

@Random UK Fan whats the board where the deviants go?

Someone knows what I'm talking about. Mostly banned ppl from the football board.

Nvm. got it.

 

[ExitFlagger]

OAD teams had a high rate of success until 2015 ended, since then, the game changed and there hasn't been a single one-and-done kid in the FF since.

I mean look at Wright, Drew, Bennet and Self, they went from early tournament upsets to all the sudden going deep.into the NCAAT and winning titles. The game changed.

Nothing changed for Wright other than he built his most talented roster in 2016. A lot of the same players ran it back two years later. He had plenty of failures before and after his first title. Bennett’s consistently lost early and continues to. His title is an outlier and he needed several miracles to make it happen. Self’s titles are 14 years apart and his deep runs are spread out throughout his KU career. Drew’s been to the final four once.

If this was 2014, I would agree with you, but it’s 2023 and there hasn't been a single one-and-done player in the FF for 8 years.

Not sure why you guys keep saying this. Off the top of my head, Duke was led by three OADs in ‘22. And Suggs for Gonzaga the year before.

I was glad to see ‘22 Duke lose to UNC. They were the last team I wanted to play and I think most considered them the favorite in the final four. I don’t think anyone wanted to play ‘19 Duke. Would you have wanted a rematch with them? According to you, 2017 Kentucky was screwed out of a final four by the refs. 2018 Duke was loaded and lost a tight game vs KU in OT. They missed the final four because Grayson Allen’s jumper rolled around the rim twice and came out.

It’s ridiculous to act like these teams weren’t good enough or were poorly built. We all know that shit happens in the tourney. Any of these teams would’ve had a great shot to win a rematch. All were capable of winning it all.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Nothing changed for Wright other than he built his most talented roster in 2016. A lot of the same players ran it back two years later. He had plenty of failures before and after his first title. Bennett’s consistently lost early and continues to. His title is an outlier and he needed several miracles to make it happen. Self’s titles are 14 years apart and his deep runs are spread out throughout his KU career. Drew’s been to the final four once.



Not sure why you guys keep saying this. Off the top of my head, Duke was led by three OADs in ‘22. And Suggs for Gonzaga the year before.

I was glad to see ‘22 Duke lose to UNC. They were the last team I wanted to play and I think most considered them the favorite in the final four. I don’t think anyone wanted to play ‘19 Duke. Would you have wanted a rematch with them? According to you, 2017 Kentucky was screwed out of a final four by the refs. 2018 Duke was loaded and lost a tight game vs KU in OT. They missed the final four because Grayson Allen’s jumper rolled around the rim twice and came out.

It’s ridiculous to act like these teams weren’t good enough or were poorly built. We all know that shit happens in the tourney. Any of these teams would’ve had a great shot to win a rematch. All were capable of winning it all.

While other UK fans may wallow in misery when we beat KU in the CC. I will be right here assigning you an avatar. I think I have a good one picked out.

I got the Photoshop needles out and sewing something special.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Elite 8


Elite 8



Won the SEC by 3 games 2020 only to have the postseason canceled.

 

[IUfanBorden]

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Won the SEC by 3 games 2020 only to have the postseason canceled.

Winning the SEC by 3 games is like winning the AL Central by 10...

 

[ExitFlagger]

I know man, I know. He’s relentless and he never gives an inch, even when he's dead wrong.

This is rich, coming from somebody who won’t even concede there’s a chance that Hagans took dough. Despite proof that he met with Dawkins, a documented payment plan, flaunting stacks on Snapchat, and then not traveling with the team after it came out. You budge on nothing and argue this shit like your salvation’s on the line. 😂

What am I dead wrong about again?

 

[ExitFlagger]

While other UK fans may wallow in misery when we beat KU in the CC. I will be right here assigning you an avatar. I think I have a good one picked out.

I got the Photoshop needles out and sewing something special.

Are KU and UK planning to trade coaches that day?😁

 

[ExitFlagger]

I really don't know, but if I had to guess, Jay Wright might have created the blueprint during that 2016 run.

“I don’t know, but something changed and you’re dead wrong if you disagree!!” 😆

Here, let me show you what changed (for Kentucky):

2010 through 2017:
10 top 5 recruits
21 top 10 recruits

Since 2017:
1 top 5 recruit (Boston-played in 8 games)
6 top 10 recruits

Purely coincidental I’m sure. It’s probably also coincidental that his oldest teams were the least successful in the tourney.

 

[RipThru]

When the **** did I quote you, dipshit.

Where did I say they didnt want Flagg? I said they dont go the route of OAD----Learn how to read you fukin queer.

And **** you, tbh dude. Seriously---**** you. Enough with the fukin Gofundme shit, you ****ing worthless piece of fukin shit.

You don’t want the smoke, you gofundme bum. You’re a giant pus*y and it shows.

 

[kyjeff1]

This is rich, coming from somebody who won’t even concede there’s a chance that Hagans took dough. Despite proof that he met with Dawkins, a documented payment plan, flaunting stacks on Snapchat, and then not traveling with the team after it came out. You budge on nothing and argue this shit like your salvation’s on the line. 😂

What am I dead wrong about again?

Here we go again. Sigh.

 

[kyjeff1]

“I don’t know, but something changed and you’re dead wrong if you disagree!!” 😆

Here, let me show you what changed (for Kentucky):

2010 through 2017:
10 top 5 recruits
21 top 10 recruits

Since 2017:
1 top 5 recruit (Boston-played in 8 games)
6 top 10 recruits

Purely coincidental I’m sure. It’s probably also coincidental that his oldest teams were the least successful in the tourney.

Yeah, most coaches struggle to win when they have lottery picks and NPOY winners/returners on their roster.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Yeah, most coaches struggle to win when they have lottery picks and NPOY winners/returners on their roster.

And? You're just proving my point. It's a Calipari problem; not an experience problem.

A mediocre coach went to 4 final fours in 5 years and won a title with OAD-heavy teams, has done jack shit with "old" teams, and the conclusion you draw is that you need to be old to win. Makes sense.

 

[kyjeff1]

And? You're just proving my point. It's a Calipari problem; not an experience problem.

A mediocre coach went to 4 final fours in 5 years and won a title with OAD-heavy teams, has done jack shit with "old" teams, and the conclusion you draw is that you need to be old to win. Makes sense.

No, I didn't prove your point, I proved mine. You can't have a new team every year and expect to beat teams that have juniors and seniors that have developed together for 3+ years.

Do you think FIU gets to the FF if those dudes were in their first year with the program? Do you think KU 22 wins the title with 1 year guys? Bayor '21? UVA '19?

No, what made those teams so good, was their experience playing as a unit.

Stick with me kid, you'll be fartin' on your own in no time

 

[ExitFlagger]

No, I didn't prove your point, I proved mine. You can't have a new team every year and expect to beat teams that have juniors and seniors that have developed together for 3+ years.

You can't? So who did all the OAD teams that went deep beat along the way? Other OAD teams? Who did Duke's OADs beat to reach the F4 two years ago?

Sure, let's just continue to ignore the fact that Calipari had all his success with top 5-10 recruits and has done jack shit with old lower-rated rosters. Why let facts get in the way now?

Do you think FIU gets to the FF if those dudes were in their first year with the program? Do you think KU 22 wins the title with 1 year guys? Bayor '21? UVA '19?

No, what made those teams so good, was their experience playing as a unit.

Stick with me kid, you'll be fartin' on your own in no time

Wow, FIU. Gee, their model works so well that no one knew who the hell they were until 7 months ago. What's next? Are you gonna bring up George Mason and Loyola?

Are you seriously asking if I think those teams would have won it all if the same players from those rosters were freshmen? You get the difference between top 5 OADs and fringe top 100 freshmen, right?

 

[IUfanBorden]

 

[kyjeff1]

You can't? So who did all the OAD teams that went deep beat along the way? Other OAD teams? Who did Duke's OADs beat to reach the F4 two years ago?

Sure, let's just continue to ignore the fact that Calipari had all his success with top 5-10 recruits and has done jack shit with old lower-rated rosters. Why let facts get in the way now?




Wow, FIU. Gee, their model works so well that no one knew who the hell they were until 7 months ago. What's next? Are you gonna bring up George Mason and Loyola?

Are you seriously asking if I think those teams would have won it all if the same players from those rosters were freshmen? You get the difference between top 5 OADs and fringe top 100 freshmen, right?

You live alone, don't you?

 

[ExitFlagger]

You live alone, don't you?

Actually, I’ve lived with a girl for the last several years (now my wife). Are you looking to set the record for number of times being wrong in a single thread?

 

[Kevin Bryan]

Actually, I’ve lived with a girl for the last several years

 

[kyjeff1]

Actually, I’ve lived with a girl for the last several years (now my wife). Are you looking to set the record for number of times being wrong in a single thread?

Are you sure?

 

[IUBtown]

Actually, I’ve lived with a girl for the last several years (now my wife). Are you looking to set the record for number of times being wrong in a single thread?

*Camera pans to the ziplock bag full of mayonnaise still stuffed in his couch cushion*