Duke @ Florida State
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I believe the overhead view is where you can see the spin of the ball change direction. There wasn’t indisputable evidence to overturn that call.
Ok. You are like the only person I've seen who has disagreed. That's including FSU fans. The only thing that made me think it hit his leg, was he turned around. As if he felt the ball hit him. But the views that were shown,IMO,provided enough info to award the ball to Duke. That would have been my call.
Zion played the first half and FSU led at half time...
If Zion plays the whole game, Reddish probably isn't forced to raise his game to a level not seen before, including going 5-8 from 3 when he had only hit 7 of previous 38.
It was a great game. Both teams overcame deficits at various points. Both teams dealt with injuries. Both teams made big shots and big defensive plays. Tip of the cap to Duke for making one more play.
I’ve had some non-FSU people agree with me. A dude on the CFB board actually did as well. I’m not saying it absolutely did or did not hit him, just that seeing the ball spin change direction should throw enough doubt into the refs to mind not overturn the call on the court. I’d have no issue if they had called it duke ball when it happened live.
I agree with everything you said, because its true. Yes FSU was up at halftime but Duke was up 5 with the ball when Zion got poked in the eye.
I was talking about on here. THis is a fair statement. If it happened to IU, I'd feel different. Its always to see things,or accept things, when its not your team. Like I said, the thing that caught my attention was the Duke kid turned around. As to see where the ball was----as if it hit him. That caught my attention. Watch the replay again. You'll see the DUke kid(think it was WHite?) turn around and seemingly look for the ball. Maybe it was b/c he knew it was behind him. IDK. I liked the call. Thought it was the right call.
So the people that back you are football fans and most likely Anti Duke? Let's be honest, when it comes to Duke, most likely you are a fan or they are one of your most hated teams. Pretty sure there isn't many Duke fans on a college football board.
I never really saw the reaction, just watched the ball. Don’t think their was indisputable evidence to overturn it. Don’t mean to take away from Dukes win, they still had to make a play to win, which they did.
And FSU was up 5 when Trent Forrest (already hurt and likely going to need surgery after the season) left the game. Down 1 when he returned.
Look, Duke played a great game in a damn tough environment. I've been saying this on here for 3 years--beating FSU in Tallahassee is really really hard.
But while most Duke fans are recognizing the fantastic play by Reddish and Barrett, some are intent on focusing on Zion being out...which is pretty myopic. Duke has 4 top 20 draft picks in their starting lineup. 5 stars come off the bench. FSU losing a guy like Forrest is like Duke losing Zion, Jones, and Reddish all at once.
Both teams dealt with adversity and both teams had guys step up. It was a fantastic college basketball game.
Meh, not really. Losing one guy who scored 5 points in 31 minutes isn't like losing your top 3 players. Not even close. But that being said I'm sure it was a big hit to FSU.
He is also our best playmaker (6 assists), best ball handler by far, and best perimeter defender.
My point is, I--not any other FSU fan--is using it as an excuse. No one is saying "if Forrest doesn't have to leave the game we probably hold our lead for the win." Because the truth is, we don't know. And that's just sports.
It's just sad to take away from a terrific performance by Reddish, a tremendous game from both teams, and a brilliant BLOB play design from Coach K by fanboys saying things like, "if Zion plays this is never even close at the end."
Yeah I agree with you, what ifs are pointless and it was a great game. I just disagreed with losing 1 player is the same as losing Duke's top 3.
Arent all of the proceeds from his book going to charity? Though I may have heard children’s cancer research is the beneficiary?
Yeah, Reddish deserved some of his criticism. He has been terrible offensively. The over the top stuff, nobody deserves, but certainly not immune to bad play being pointed out.
He was really good today, with the exception of the foul line. Needed to be with Zion not playing the 2nd half.
As it happened, I couldn’t believe it wasn’t called. How do three refs miss that?
I get you are an official but I don’t think it is unfair to say college officiating leaves a lot to be desired. If you are Admitting that plays like this one go uncalled, that does nothing to help that perception.
We're just happy you're so passionate about not wanting to take anything away from Reddish.
How distant? You think you’ll finish 4 games ahead of us in the ACC standings?
He’s a Kentucky fan, I haven’t heard one Duke fan say they think it’ll be distant if Duke wins the regular season at all
I know that. I was just wondering what his definition of distant is...because he probably only uses that word when talking about hooking up with a distant cousin
In fact, I have given up all hope of Duke winning a regular season title until I see it happen. Virginia is the favorite until they prove otherwise.
If you knew that, then your question to him seems odd. I don't think Kentucky can finish 4 games ahead of Virginia in the ACC.
I know he’s a Kentucky fan. I was asking him whether he thinks Duke will finish 4 games ahead of UVA in the standings.
Similarly, I know you’re a Duke fan. Do you think Michigan can finish 3 games ahead of Michigan State in the B1G?
Hamilton seems to be more concerned with how easy the ball was inbounded to the elbow, than how Cam didn't have a defender near him. For those saying it was horrible defense for him to get that open, even Hamilton is saying it was due to misdirection, and he hasn't even seen a replay.
"Said Florida State coach Leonard Hamilton: "I didn't expect them to get the ball at the elbow; I thought we had that covered. I expected them to get the ball inbounds, but not a direct pass out of bounds to a guy at the elbow. They did a very good job of creating some misdirection. I gotta go back and look at the film and see how he delivered that pass right on the money -- 'cause we had a 7-foot guy right on top of the ball, and I thought that would be enough for them to at least have to go in another direction with that short amount of time on the clock. Great execution by them, and great finish by a very good player.""
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...da-state-seminoles-late-cam-reddish-3-pointer
"Said Florida State coach Leonard Hamilton: "I didn't expect them to get the ball at the elbow; I thought we had that covered. I expected them to get the ball inbounds, but not a direct pass out of bounds to a guy at the elbow. They did a very good job of creating some misdirection. I gotta go back and look at the film and see how he delivered that pass right on the money -- 'cause we had a 7-foot guy right on top of the ball, and I thought that would be enough for them to at least have to go in another direction with that short amount of time on the clock. Great execution by them, and great finish by a very good player.""
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...da-state-seminoles-late-cam-reddish-3-pointer
i feel the people saying the ball changed directions and using that as proof that the basketball hit a duke player have never seen a golf ball check up on a putting green. that's pretty hard to believe on a sports forum.
sure, the basketball changed spin/direction...after it hit the basketball court and not jack white's arm or leg or anybody else's body for that matter. i figured this was elementary stuff.
you don't have to play tricks on yourself here. the game was played very physical and duke was on the short end of a lot of calls -- or i should say a lack there of. there is no conspiracy to give duke the game.
sure, the basketball changed spin/direction...after it hit the basketball court and not jack white's arm or leg or anybody else's body for that matter. i figured this was elementary stuff.
you don't have to play tricks on yourself here. the game was played very physical and duke was on the short end of a lot of calls -- or i should say a lack there of. there is no conspiracy to give duke the game.
Also, go back and look at the review. The Duke players are demonstrably saying it’s Duke’s ball and the FSU players aren’t saying anything. The Kavongelli (sp?) guy isn’t even complaining. He knew it went off of him. As soon as it went off of Kavongelli, White and the rest of the team got the hell out of the way as quickly as possible and it misses White by a few inches.
I agree. I was at the game and it was clear to me in live action that it was off FSU.
FYI, it’s Kabengele.
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