Easy to make this claim in hindsight isn’t it?
If the 2015 tourney got corona’d, 90% of the Kentucky fanbase would be screaming for some kind of recognition for the “greatest team ever.” To claim they wouldn’t is funny.
Does Kansas hang a banner?
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Easy to make this claim in hindsight isn’t it?
If the 2015 tourney got corona’d, 90% of the Kentucky fanbase would be screaming for some kind of recognition for the “greatest team ever.” To claim they wouldn’t is funny.
No we claim our title on the floor, not a vote.
Kentucky has Helms titles but ignores them.
Maybe it's better to NOT know for sure.
True. The almighty would never lower themselves to that level. While you're at it, maybe you should place asterisks next to those titles from the era in which the NIT was more prestigious.
If they declared today that they were going to hold a short tourney with a small group of teams, including KU but not most of the top 10 (with a separate tourney that invites Kentucky, Gonzaga, Baylor, Dayton, Florida St, etc), none of you would recognize them as legit national champs if they won.
Yet you boast every day about your 40s titles.
Why hypotheticals? There will be no legit national champs this year. Sorry Virginia is still the reigning champs.
Kentucky brags about the NIT titles also. UK even played in both tourneys one year.
UK has titles, real titles. We claim 8 NCAA titles. I have all but two on video, I can prove 6 of them. Kentucky played under the same standards as Kansas did. UK won five more NCAA titles than Kansas. That hurts your heart, but tough shit.
If you want to laugh at Helms (which is fine), then, to a lesser extent, we’ve got the right to laugh at a few of your titles. Either you earn it vs the best of the best or you don’t. Those titles truthfully aren’t much better than naming a champion based on the regular season. They just played a few more games vs a random selection of teams which didn’t include most of the top teams in the country.
They played the best of the best. You can't complain if Kansas was a bad team playing in a shit league!
I suppose that you want to start counting titles after 1952 when Kansas won their first. Well if we did UK would still be ahead of Kansas.
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Kentucky has always played in a shit league, which was a huge advantage in those days. And no, they didn’t play the best of the best in those days. That’s the whole point.
Bullshiette.
God bless man, the SW or Big whatever never had a team worth a crap. Geeze.
If UK played no one how did they build up such a record against the great Kansas team? 23-9.
Not sure what that has to do anything, but they have that advantage because they played every year during the Ted Owens era. KU leads over the last 30+ years.
problem is kentucky fans think they are the best team in the country regardless of what their ranking is before the tourney.
Just curious....Lets say this happened in 2015....34-0 Kentucky. How would you feel?
Kansas
Gonzaga
Dayton
Florida State
Baylor
San Diego State
Kentucky
Villanova
Creighton
Duke
Holy shit! Kansas is a long way from 34-0. In fact Kansas ain't never been 34-0.
That is irrelevant. Point is----KU this year, heading onto the tourney, is/was a huge favorite. That was the point.
The examples of the perceived best teams, NOT winning it all, just keeps coming to me.
Plus no team ever went 38-0 before. Kansas best shot in sweeping the Big 12 Tourney and NCAA would have been dealing with 3 losses. That is the big difference.
I actually like KU, but once a year I will randomly pick a team to talk shit to and it was KU this year.
I just dont have the heart now. This is the worst thing ever.
I would kill to see KU or anyone hang a banner this season.
I just dont have the heart now. This is the worst thing ever.
I would kill to see KU or anyone hang a banner this season.
#1, thanks for pointing it out
Bert you are to intelligent not to understand. I am not comparing this years Kansas, to 2015 UK. What I am comparing is how both were seen as HUGE fav 's. So, lets say this occurred in March of 2015. You don't think UK fans would be preaching the same thing Kansas fans, or at least some KU fans, are? I do. MOF, I think any fan of ANY team, who had a team that would've entered the tourney as huge fav's, would do so.
Borden, I don't see Kansas as that huge favorite that you see. Sorry. Ask Duke, Baylor and Nova. The last two years Virginia was seen as the favorite, but they only won six games and lost one.
Of course Kansas would have been the number 1, one seed; however, I think that many teams would challenge them.
I think some teams would match up well with KU.
Auburn
Kentucky
Oregon
PSU
IL
Maryland has the talent, but Turge would screw it up
FSU
Louisville
To me, that is it. Not saying these teams beat them, just that the match up well.
Auburn
Kentucky
Oregon
PSU
IL
Maryland has the talent, but Turge would screw it up
FSU
Louisville
To me, that is it. Not saying these teams beat them, just that the match up well.
Kansas was @ +500, to win. Next closest----GU at +900.
Kansas was a HUGE fav.
Don't shoot the messenger,my friend. I'm just passing on what Vegas thought.
Borden, I was not shooting at any one, messenger or not.Don't shoot the messenger,my friend. I'm just passing on what Vegas thought.
I just don't believe that Kansas was a slam dunk on the title. In fact I don't think that they were a slam dunk on making the final four.
You can argue until the cows come home and you will not change my mind.
Hardly anyone is ever a slam dunk. Shit, UK in 2015 was a made 3-pointer away from losing n the Elite 8.....UNLV's monster team in 1990, damn near lost to Ball State..
So its never a given. But, Vegas thinks so. And I mean, those dudes?
I agree, too much crazy can and does happen in the tourney. Hell all the mentions of the 2015 uk team should remind us no one team is a slam dunk to win the title, in any year.
It sucks for Kansas, but it sucks for all of us. This was Louisville’s best team since 2014. We’ve banned ourselves and flat out missed the tourney 1 time each since then, and got put out the first round twice as well. So we haven’t felt the joy of a march madness run since 2015, so it sucks for us too, bc we are losing 4 srs + Nwora. But again we are not alone, It sucks for everyone. Players, fans, coaches, city economies of those that were hosting the tourney, the men and women who work at the venues, EVERYONE.
Not trying to turn this into a Louisville vs Kansas thing. Kansas had a better season no doubt, and they were the pre-corona faves, no doubt. But that’s why they play the games, the favorite rarely wins it. They don’t call it march madness bc the best team always wins.
But if Kansas wants to hang a banner of some sort, go for it. Doesn’t mean everyone has to bow down and acknowledge it, bc no one will and it will become pretty irrelevant as time goes on.
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Nevermind the fact that all of these but 2004 should not be recognized by this board’s championship police, their 2003 “title” occurred during the BCS era. LSU won the BCS Championship that year but the AP voted USC #1. They are officially recognized BY the NCAA as co-champs.
Let’s go, AP. Make it official. Chop, chop.
I see your point, but it’s flawed in that Vegas makes and moves lines as to how the bets are rolling in. Baylor was ranked number 1 longer than anyone this season, beat Kansas @ Kansas, and they were never the betting favorites to win it all during that time frame.
So had corona struck a month earlier when Baylor was #1 and sitting at one loss, would they have warranted being de facto national champs or would you still have went with the Vegas favorite. (I realize that how it played out Kansas was both, just playing devils advocate)
Something about apples and oranges. The tourney is what made CBB so great, everyone gets a shot to prove it on the court. No co-champs or teams claiming titles, it was decided on the court. No one got that chance this year, and for the record I think Kansas did have the best team, but i also thought Duke had the best team last year.
Nevermind the fact that all of these but 2004 should not be recognized by this board’s championship police, their 2003 “title” occurred during the BCS era. LSU won the BCS Championship that year but the AP voted USC #1. They are officially recognized BY the NCAA as co-champs.
Let’s go, AP. Make it official. Chop, chop.
I’m not even necessarily serious about a banner or championship designation, but if your best argument is “football is different,” that’s not good enough. The fact is that this is an unprecedented event, so it’s not unreasonable to consider unprecedented solutions.
