Basketball programs by tiers

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  1. all4theillini

    all4theillini Well-Known Member
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    1) incomplete. If Ayo and Kofi return then quite good....heck of a lot better then ICJC

    2) Lets assume UI’s AD is dog shit. Then why does UI own the historical series lead on Iowa in baseball, basketball AND football? Riddle me that.

    3) nice deflection! Did you grow up playing goalie?

    John Belushi was still alive and Diet Coke had not yet been invented since the mighty Hawkeyes made a FF.
     
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    The Illini are dog shit. RollLaugh
     
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    We need to look at this from a historical basis. The complete body of work. UCLA is better than Indiana in EVERY metric. Not close at all.

    Tournament Appearances: UCLA leads 49-39
    Round of 32: UCLA leads 27-23
    Sweet 16: UCLA leads 34-22
    Elite 8: UCLA leads 22-11
    Final Four: UCLA leads 18-8
    Title Games: UCLA leads 13-6
    Championships: UCLA leads 11-5
    Conference Championships: UCLA leads 31-19 (1939-present)
    Top 10 seasons in final AP Poll: UCLA leads 26-17

    Indiana is the best team in the second tier, but I wouldn't say they're that far ahead of Louisville. They have more titles than Louisville. However, UL has been to tournament more (43-39), the round of 32 more (31-23), the Sweet 16 more (28-22), the Elite more (14-11) and they've been to the Final Four more than Indiana (10-8). Indiana is much closer to being on par with Louisville than any of the 5 schools in tier 1, IMO.
     
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    As a long time suffering Clemson basketball fan who went to my first game in person in 1976 (11 years old), sadly we are placed exactly where we should be.

    Thank God for football.
     
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    Actually, it's pretty close except for Knight winning 3 titles to Izzo's 1 (which is definitely a big factor). But I just looked it up and:

    Knight: 29 seasons, 24x NCAA appearances, 3 National Titles (last title was 13 seasons before he left IU), 5x Final Fours, 11x B1G Reg Titles, and 0 BTT (but BTT only existed for his last 3 seasons at IU)

    Izzo: 25 seasons, 22x NCAA appearances (would've been 23 if not for Covid19), 1 National Title, 8x Final Fours, 10x B1G Reg Titles, 6x BTT titles


    Pretty similar stats, and Izzo still has 4 more seasons before he equals Knight's tenure at IU. Obviously the NCAA titles are the big difference here and give IU the edge, but I wouldn't really say it hasn't even been close. MSU's last title was 20 seasons ago, IU's last title was 33 years ago.
     
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    Agreed and I think Izzo is a great coach, but 2 more titles is a big deal and it should be, considering how hard they are to come by.
     
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    Is all of tier 3 teams won at least one National Championship? Tier won 2 NC’s? UConn program should be in tier one
     
  8. MileHighSpartan

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    I agree, was just surprised that is was so close in nearly every other aspect.

    I consider IU as a Tier 1 blueblood, even with a title drought. I also think that there should be a Tier between 1 and 2, as there are too many teams on Tier 2 that aren't up to par IMO.

    Tier 1.5 should be: Nova, Louisville, UConn, MSU


    Tier 2 can be the rest.

    - Not sure Virginia should be on that T1.5 level (1 title, 3 F4 ever)

    - Arkansas (1 title, good chunk of F4's - but literally haven't done anything since 1995)

    - Arizona (1 title, 4 F4 all within a 13 year period and haven't been back to the F4 in 19+ years)

    - Georgetown (1 title, last F4 was 35 years ago, only 4 conf titles in last 30 years)

    - Florida (2 titles back to back, but entire resume falls within last 26 years and they were trash for the 80+ years prior to that)
     
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