You accidentally put the hipster in the good instead of the bad.
What do you love/hate about where you live?
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Huh. I know a fair amount about the political foundations of RTP, but I never thought about how its zoning created resource deserts that have hurt it since.
I'm not sure I understand why light rail would be difficult to add. I've always thought it was a matter of priorities and agendas. Is a single hub that necessary? I would suggest RTP. If you're implying and implying accurately that it's dying (I don't really know), it's centrally located and valuable, convenient real estate at the very least. We keep building new highways; it seems like a rail system could go alongside some of it. There's so much transition, from RTP to new construction to rebuilding in older neighborhoods, it seems like there could be some reshaping to account for a rail, too.
I get accused of it, despite my having been in the state for nearly 40 years.
Then you’re not going with the flow. If you’re telling people, ‘Well we do it this way’ or ‘Where I’m from here’s how we do it’ etc., then that’s what we don’t like.
You moved here for a reason. Start acting like and doing what the locals are doing. Become part of your community by supporting them.
Hipsters are pretty good at bringing in great bars and restaurants. I’m a big fan of both of those things so that makes me a big fan of their work.
Ummm... the reason I moved here was that my Dad took a job in the South when I was 7. At this point, I'm from here. At what point do I get to do things the way I want to w/o its being seen as some intrusion on your right to do things the way you want to?
Do you hide your light under a bushel when you visit other places, or do you stick to being who you are? And that's just visiting. Pretty ironic that you're pushing this "don't tread on me and mah inderpendence" bravado on one hand, then being critical of someone for so-called "not going with the flow" on the other.
Yes, agreed. And bands and festivals and art and technology and a bunch of other things. TGIH.
To letsgo's point, the problem is that they then remind you that they brought in all those things.
This article is a couple years old but contains a blurb about RTP:
Why Companies are Moving Back Downtown
One place attempting such a reinvention is Research Triangle Park (RTP) in the Raleigh-Durham area. The campus is half the size of Manhattan, and boasts several global science and tech companies, notably IBM and Cisco Systems, but it’s also an artifact of 1950s community planning. The fact that tech companies like Red Hat are choosing downtown Raleigh over nearby research parks illustrates the problem RTP currently faces: It has no housing, no light rail, and no main street with cafes, restaurants and shops. The RTP’s layout inhibits the kind of informal socialization and networking between tech workers that is increasingly common in urban innovation districts.
This description is accurate in my experience. The company I work for had our office on the west edge of RTP just outside of RTP proper. IBM, Cisco, Ericsson, Qualcomm, and other electronics companies are our customers. As companies like IBM and Cisco scaled back their operations and Ericsson left completely, our customer based largely migrated out of RTP. Eight years ago we moved from RTP (technically Durham) to Cary where we are closer to the airport, customers and where most of our employees live.
When the northern half of 540 was first built. it would have been a good time to add light rail from north Raleigh and Wake Forest to the airport and RTP. It was all brand new development and wouldn't have caused a retrofit to add light rail like it would to build from north of Raleigh (e.g Wakefield) to downtown. To keep costs down, most of the light rail proposals for the Triangle have involved reusing existing rail lines which I believe are owned by Norfolk-Southern and also used by Amtrak neither of which apparently want to allow other traffic on their rails.
Of course what I said isn’t all black and white. I should’ve added that in my post. Also, I wasn’t trying to be rude or insulting. I was just trying to answer your reply.
As far as your answer and this is just my opinion, there must be something you are doing or saying that is rubbing true Southerners the wrong way. Without being there, it would be hard to understand exactly what that is.
As far as at what point doing things the way you want will be ok is even harder, depending on what it is that you want to do or say. I would need some examples to better answer it for you. My basic answer is maybe never, depending on the situation. More than likely, the area that you live in has been that way long before you existed and will be that way long after you’re gone.
As far as how I am when I travel other cities, countries, etc., I try to take in as much of those areas and become as much as one of them as possible. I do this not because I’m ashamed of where I’m from, but I to not stick out. If I’m in France, for example, I’m going to spend some time learning French and I would never tell them that their way is wrong or my way is better than their way.
There is a difference in doing things your own way and doing things your way, while caring about how the locals do it. If you’ve been here for 40 years and came when you were 7, I’m really curious as to why this is happening to you. You’re as close to being from that area as anyone else.
Only complaint about Louisville is that I wish it was bigger. Otherwise it's like... just where I live and stuff.
And agree with @schoonerwest . Hipsters are a net gain. I can be happy any place with coffee shops and breweries.
And agree with @schoonerwest . Hipsters are a net gain. I can be happy any place with coffee shops and breweries.
Hail, do you by chance live in Wauwatosa? That's my guess based on a couple of your likes.
Love Wisconsin, although I'm a Chicagoan. Family has a home on Green Lake so I drive through Wauwatosa every other week or so on my way up to Green Lake.
You ever been to Green Lake?
I live in Smiths Grove, Kentucky. Population: 784, last census.
What do I dislike:
Little.
Not one damned traffic light in the city. It is country. Soybeans, wheat and corn are important. The farmers here cultivate about 1,000 acres each. Most are closer to 3,000 but you all know about averages. The average farmer has a master’s degree from some college (around here Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Murray, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Auburn are the most popular and it is usually a mix). We have deer and wild turkey walking around and folks shooting them. Wild Turkey, for the uninformed, are wonderful to watch and eat.
I retired to Smiths Grove after I retired from a successful career. I could have moved to anywhere in the U.S.; I chose home.
Why? Smiths Grove is 5 miles from where I was born, 10 miles from where I was raised and 15 miles from where Western Kentucky University is (because I planned on going back to school). This area is my culture and I love the cave country, with me being a world class spelunker.
What I love: most things.
Culture: it is my culture; Southern, about 50% 50% north or south in the Civil War. The food is wonderful, some of it is wild. We have ‘dry land fish’; it is coming into season this week – a morel mushroom coveted because it is so damned good. If you eat local food it will clog your heart if you listen to the Yanks, but thay can't explain why we locals live so damned long.
Religion: raised Baptist; around here Methodist, Baptist, Catholics, church of Christ et.al. I love them all. If you go to church you have good music. My favored churches are black and they really have MUSIC.
Traffic: none
Smells: whatever the farmers are growing or whatever gifts the cows shit in my back yard.
History: this area was given to the Virginia Patriots from the Revolutionary war. (In my little town we have more Patriots than all of Massachusetts.) Patrick Henry’s sister, Susannah, is basically buried in my back yard. My fifth great grandfather was Patrick Henry’s lawyer and wrote his will. I have 12 direct ancestors (that I know of) who fought in the great war and were given land here because the young U.S. could not give them money. Plus, I have U.S. Presidents in my family. They are a dime a dozen!
Geology: I live in cave country. This area has more caves than any other place on this earth. My wife and I’s grandparents gave up over 2,000 acres when the U.S. made Mammoth Cave National Park. (‘Gave up’ means that the Federal government ‘stole’ those 2,000 acres for a very small percentage of their worth.) Two miles from me is a cave with the second oldest American Indian artifacts in the Eastern U.S. I have worked that cave and touched and took pictures of those petroglyphs. It is now gated off because it is priceless.
My mother was born one mile from my house. My father was born three miles from my house. I call it home (it took 53 years to get here).
My folks first got here in 1783 and fought off the Shawnee. We have spent over 200 years here. So from now on this is my country. You’all can’t have it.
What I dislike:
Not one damned thing.
What do I dislike:
Little.
Not one damned traffic light in the city. It is country. Soybeans, wheat and corn are important. The farmers here cultivate about 1,000 acres each. Most are closer to 3,000 but you all know about averages. The average farmer has a master’s degree from some college (around here Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Murray, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Auburn are the most popular and it is usually a mix). We have deer and wild turkey walking around and folks shooting them. Wild Turkey, for the uninformed, are wonderful to watch and eat.
I retired to Smiths Grove after I retired from a successful career. I could have moved to anywhere in the U.S.; I chose home.
Why? Smiths Grove is 5 miles from where I was born, 10 miles from where I was raised and 15 miles from where Western Kentucky University is (because I planned on going back to school). This area is my culture and I love the cave country, with me being a world class spelunker.
What I love: most things.
Culture: it is my culture; Southern, about 50% 50% north or south in the Civil War. The food is wonderful, some of it is wild. We have ‘dry land fish’; it is coming into season this week – a morel mushroom coveted because it is so damned good. If you eat local food it will clog your heart if you listen to the Yanks, but thay can't explain why we locals live so damned long.
Religion: raised Baptist; around here Methodist, Baptist, Catholics, church of Christ et.al. I love them all. If you go to church you have good music. My favored churches are black and they really have MUSIC.
Traffic: none
Smells: whatever the farmers are growing or whatever gifts the cows shit in my back yard.
History: this area was given to the Virginia Patriots from the Revolutionary war. (In my little town we have more Patriots than all of Massachusetts.) Patrick Henry’s sister, Susannah, is basically buried in my back yard. My fifth great grandfather was Patrick Henry’s lawyer and wrote his will. I have 12 direct ancestors (that I know of) who fought in the great war and were given land here because the young U.S. could not give them money. Plus, I have U.S. Presidents in my family. They are a dime a dozen!
Geology: I live in cave country. This area has more caves than any other place on this earth. My wife and I’s grandparents gave up over 2,000 acres when the U.S. made Mammoth Cave National Park. (‘Gave up’ means that the Federal government ‘stole’ those 2,000 acres for a very small percentage of their worth.) Two miles from me is a cave with the second oldest American Indian artifacts in the Eastern U.S. I have worked that cave and touched and took pictures of those petroglyphs. It is now gated off because it is priceless.
My mother was born one mile from my house. My father was born three miles from my house. I call it home (it took 53 years to get here).
My folks first got here in 1783 and fought off the Shawnee. We have spent over 200 years here. So from now on this is my country. You’all can’t have it.
What I dislike:
Not one damned thing.
Bert, I'm not sure how things down in Smith's Grove, but sniffing streets is not typically a cool thing other places.
Thanks for clarifying.
I don't particularly catch much flak from native Southerners. I was just addressing the particular idea that new people in a community are imposing their beliefs on anyone.
Your lack of a definitive answer to some of my questions is actually reassuring. It shows you're reasonable and not rushing to judgment. I appreciate and respect that. I trust I was reading you wrong earlier.
Live in northern NJ...
Likes:
A) awesome food around here, with a bunch of adorable little movie-set-looking towns
B) fantastic neighborhood. Got home from work on Thursday to find 22 people on my front lawn and in the street, playing nerf guns and riding scooters. A real neighborhood, and I don't know how many of those exist anymore...glad my wife and kids can have that
C) GREAT schools; some of the best in the country
D) beautiful area with beautiful homes
E) really well off area, which I like
F) so close to NYC, but far enough that around us is just trees and lawns and pools... but if I feel like going into the city, its maybe a 30 minute drive (Manhattan being an island is really cool, because the sprawl is contained, if that makes sense).
Dislikes:
A) cost of living/taxes... my property taxes are like 16k a year. FML.
B) sometimes some traffic... not in my town, but on the highways
C) while I don't SEE it, I do worry about pollutants
Likes:
A) awesome food around here, with a bunch of adorable little movie-set-looking towns
B) fantastic neighborhood. Got home from work on Thursday to find 22 people on my front lawn and in the street, playing nerf guns and riding scooters. A real neighborhood, and I don't know how many of those exist anymore...glad my wife and kids can have that
C) GREAT schools; some of the best in the country
D) beautiful area with beautiful homes
E) really well off area, which I like
F) so close to NYC, but far enough that around us is just trees and lawns and pools... but if I feel like going into the city, its maybe a 30 minute drive (Manhattan being an island is really cool, because the sprawl is contained, if that makes sense).
Dislikes:
A) cost of living/taxes... my property taxes are like 16k a year. FML.
B) sometimes some traffic... not in my town, but on the highways
C) while I don't SEE it, I do worry about pollutants
I Also live in Raleigh. Raleigh is Awesome..
Good: NC State fans...they hate the Tarholes more than I do, the hate they have for UNC is truly unprecedented.
There are also a ton of UK fans in NC believe it or not.
Bad: UNC fans are everywhere..i'd say Raleigh is 50% Wolf Pack 45% UNC and 5% Duke. Its weird to me that you don't find many Duke Fans in Raleigh
Good: NC State fans...they hate the Tarholes more than I do, the hate they have for UNC is truly unprecedented.
There are also a ton of UK fans in NC believe it or not.
Bad: UNC fans are everywhere..i'd say Raleigh is 50% Wolf Pack 45% UNC and 5% Duke. Its weird to me that you don't find many Duke Fans in Raleigh
bkingUK, I have frequented New York and San Francisco along with other big towns. Downtown New York and San Francisco does not require sniffing the streets. The odor of urine is everywhere on a warm summer day.
I'd think smells of urine are far more prevalent on farms, but I'm not hating on rural life. Why you hating on where people live?
Love that area. Not quite the same area, but spent time in New Hope, PA last summer and explored that region a bit. Had never been there. Always assumed New Jersey was a bunch of factories. Princeton blew my mind.
Uhhh... I've lived in New York for years. My family is from New York. I've been in every part of downtown New York, from Soho to Noho to the East Village to the West Village to the Battery to Little Italy to Tribeca to China Town. None of them have the smell of urine everywhere. Are you sure you aren't just old and incontinent and pissed yourself?
Yeah, some REALLY picturesque little towns. It's a damn shame, because New Jersey has some absolute SHITHOLE places... the docks and some slums... and they are all gathered right around the major avenues of transportation... along the Turnpike and Parkway, around Newark International... so people have this TERRIBLE image of it when they pass through. But there are some amazing areas, too. Love Princeton too... feels like a village version of the most historic parts of Boston.
Apparently, you don't frequent Manhattan often.
Sorry dude, but the homeless piss everwhere.
Because I like where I live and my friends and family are here?
Would move to NYC in second if had right offer though. NYC, Chicago or San Fran are probably the only places I'd leave for.
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He’s low key jealous. I love how Bert boasts about his career and accolades and acts like everyone would want to live in Po dunk Southern Ky, with a population of 15. No thanks, i’d rather live in ****ing Cleveland than the boonies of Ky. He’s also scared of San Francisco. He wouldn’t last a day out here, let alone be able to afford a studio.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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All three of those cities are awesome. I can attest to the Bay Area being great. Although according to some on this board, you might turn gay and become a communist upon entering the state of California. Fascinating.
I think if I were to move from Louisville, the only city I would consider that's BIGGER than Louisville is probably Nashville. Big cities are fun to visit, but I could never live there
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