UNC is terrible...

[mcnicKY91]

bro. Auburn disnt make the ncaa tournament for 14 years before pearl arrived. Its called perspective here. We also won the SEC tourney in 2024 and sec regular season in 2022. The ncaa tourney is not indicative at all on how a season went. one game in a season will not sower my outlook on pearl. Nor should it for any coach. The ncaa tourney while entertaining is not the best way to actually show who the best team is. Auburn finished 5th in the SEC the year we went to the final 4. Inwould take our 2022 team over them hands down though even though they lost to miami in 2nd route. Kentucky's 2015 team would stroke your 98 team also

Maybe my question wasn't clear...

I am asking you specifically (not Auburn fans in general that don't care about basketball) what would it take to sour on Pearl?

How many more postseasons like the last four would make you say...hmm, this isn't working anymore. If he keeps losing early (or not making the tourney), you can't just keep chalking it up to the randomness of March. The coach has to be held accountable.

As for '98 UK, they beat a loaded Duke team, filled with NBA draft picks in the Elite 8. And they were upperclassmen at that.

If 2015 can lose to Wisc, they sure as heck could lose to '98 UK.

 

[coryfly]

Anyone watching basketball under Hubert knows they really don't know what they are doing. Even when their offense scores a lot there are few assists and a lot of isolation where guys just do stuff on their own. Even going back to the run they had his first year and thinking about the big shots, Caleb Love going YOLO and making some of those crazy shots wasn't always great offense. They have awful ball movement and even worse off the ball movement, terrible rebounding fundamentals, can't guard BLOB plays at all, let every team get whatever they want on offense, and seem to not know where to be while they are on offense.

 

[donelsonsam]

I guess when Roy left Bacot for Hubert he thought he never needed to recruit another big man? With the portal now how the hell does a program like unc have no legit big guys?

They need one for sure but he had the ones he did have all on the bench and lost bc they couldn't grab a couple late rebounds with 4 guards in the lineup late

 

[coryfly]

They need one for sure but he had the ones he did have all on the bench and lost bc they couldn't grab a couple late rebounds with 4 guards in the lineup late

Yeah, he had three small guards with Ian as four of the five players, then he chose not to foul knowing that even if you got a stop that lineup had a very small chance of getting the rebound, which is exactly what happened. Just total incompetence.

 

[AuHoosier420]

They need one for sure but he had the ones he did have all on the bench and lost bc they couldn't grab a couple late rebounds with 4 guards in the lineup late

He had them on the bench because they suck. you had 4 guards in the game because they are your best players. Still doesnt escuse the fact that unc botched big men recruiting in the offseason

 

[AuHoosier420]

Maybe my question wasn't clear...

I am asking you specifically (not Auburn fans in general that don't care about basketball) what would it take to sour on Pearl?

How many more postseasons like the last four would make you say...hmm, this isn't working anymore. If he keeps losing early (or not making the tourney), you can't just keep chalking it up to the randomness of March. The coach has to be held accountable.

As for '98 UK, they beat a loaded Duke team, filled with NBA draft picks in the Elite 8. And they were upperclassmen at that.

If 2015 can lose to Wisc, they sure as heck could lose to '98 UK.

As long as Auburn is routinely competing for SEC titles and getting into the dance he is not going to be soured on. btw the SeC tourney is also the postnseason and we won that last year. What i hate about college basketball is some of you think just one game is far more telling than the other 40 you play. Auburn had our second best player last year get ejected 6 minutes into the yale game. things happen. One game is not an indication of an entire season

 

[Afamu]

Are you happy with Scheyer? He's not done much. With the talent, some could call him the Dean Smith of Durham.

How long has he been there.

Elite 8 last year.

3rd year.

Maybe worry about your own program who hasnt done anything for quite some time.

I love the UK fans. Its December and you have the worst fan base in the country and you are bragging.

 

[Afamu]

ACC needs these.

ACC needs nothing.

Why do you people give two shits about the conference.

I sure dont. I hope they lose and lose big.

I cheer for one team in the ACC f*ck the rest of them.

I never understood the rah rah conference stuff.

 

[Afamu]

unc fan is good now with just not having a bad loss? My the standard for unc fans has fallen

Yes it has. But the obsession with K and him having more success than DES and Deputy Dawg will be with them forever.

 

[mcnicKY91]

As long as Auburn is routinely competing for SEC titles and getting into the dance he is not going to be soured on. btw the SeC tourney is also the postnseason and we won that last year. What i hate about college basketball is some of you think just one game is far more telling than the other 40 you play. Auburn had our second best player last year get ejected 6 minutes into the yale game. things happen. One game is not an indication of an entire season

Thanks for the response.

I will speak coming from a UK perspective...Cal basically had the exact same results as Pearl the past four years (including missing the tournament in 2021), and UK fans wanted him gone for the longest time. Was just curious if you held Pearl to a similar standard, but it seems like you would not.

As for the loss to Yale, even if Auburn's second best player went out early, that is not a game that should be lost, ever. It is Yale. They lost by 30 pts to SDSU the very next game.

And again, as for NCAA tournament results, if a coach keeps flaming out early every year, like I said earlier, you can't blame it on the randomness of March. You have to be able to produce at some point. There are always going to be one offs every year, but when it becomes a pattern (like it has for Cal and Pearl over the past four years, which includes not even making the tournament in 2021), the coach, in my opinion, is 100% accountable.

 

[mcnicKY91]

ACC needs nothing.

Why do you people give two shits about the conference.

I sure dont. I hope they lose and lose big.

I cheer for one team in the ACC f*ck the rest of them.

I never understood the rah rah conference stuff.

I agree with that as well. I could not care less how the SEC does. I care how UK performs.

Unless an SEC team is playing Louisville or Indiana, I pull for them to get curbstomped in the tournament every single year. I was pissed when Duke lost to Tennesse in 2023 or when UNC lost to Bama last year.

Not like any of the SEC schools or their fans are ever pulling for UK to have success in the tournament haha.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Thanks for the response.

I will speak coming from a UK perspective...Cal basically had the exact same results as Pearl the past four years (including missing the tournament in 2021), and UK fans wanted him gone for the longest time. Was just curious if you held Pearl to a similar standard, but it seems like you would not.

As for the loss to Yale, even if Auburn's second best player went out early, that is not a game that should be lost, ever. It is Yale. They lost by 30 pts to SDSU the very next game.

And again, as for NCAA tournament results, if a coach keeps flaming out early every year, like I said earlier, you can't blame it on the randomness of March. You have to be able to produce at some point. There are always going to be one offs every year, but when it becomes a pattern (like it has for Cal and Pearl over the past four years, which includes not even making the tournament in 2021), the coach, in my opinion, is 100% accountable.

Its about perspective man. kentucky has won 8 national titles and 45 sec titles dude. Its a far different outlook here. Auburn fired gus malazhn in footbalm necasue he kept going 8-4. Kentucky gave mark stoops a raise becasue he won 9 and kept getting you to bowl games. See the difference here?

 

[della]

Unless an SEC team is playing Louisville or Indiana, I pull for them to get curbstomped in the tournament every single year. I was pissed when Duke lost to Tennessee in 2023

😲

 

[mcnicKY91]

Its about perspective man. kentucky has won 8 national titles and 45 sec titles dude. Its a far different outlook here. Auburn fired gus malazhn in footbalm necasue he kept going 8-4. Kentucky gave mark stoops a raise becasue he won 9 and kept getting you to bowl games. See the difference here?

Oh I understand. That's why I was asking if your personal opinion surrounding Auburn basketball differed from the average Auburn fan who primarily cares about football only.

Don't get me started on UK football. Stoops should be gone, and UK needs to go find an actual coach. Rewarding the guy for making a couple Citrus Bowls is a joke. Act like you actually want to compete in the SEC. But that is a conversation for a different board.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Oh I understand. That's why I was asking if your personal opinion surrounding Auburn basketball differed from the average Auburn fan who primarily cares about football only.

Don't get me started on UK football. Stoops should be gone, and UK needs to go find an actual coach. Rewarding the guy for making a couple Citrus Bowls is a joke. Act like you actually want to compete in the SEC. But that is a conversation for a different board.

no. Auburn fans just understand expectations of the program. You think pearl is going to get fired for consistently winning 25 games? Auburn had 3 25 win seasons ever before pearl. He has had 6 of them with likely a 7th this year. He is going to become Auburn's all time winniest coach this year. This has nothing to do with being an average fan. Its about being realistic

 

[mcnicKY91]

no. Auburn fans just understand expectations of the program. You think pearl is going to get fired for consistently winning 25 games? Auburn had 3 25 win seasons ever before pearl. He has had 6 of them with likely a 7th this year. He is going to become Auburn's all time winniest coach this year. This has nothing to do with being an average fan. Its about being realistic

I don't think Pearl is going to get fired at all. If the program's expectations are being competitive in the SEC and making the tourney, then yep, Pearl can stay as long as he would like.

But I would offer that expectations and reality change based upon performance. If Pearl keeps having good to great regular seasons, postseason expectations (namely the impact of tournament results) should be elevated. To me, his last four seasons, specifically NCAA tournament results, have sucked. If Auburn gets a one seed this year and gets upset by an 8/9 seed, that should be a problem and a red flag (as that would be 5 consecutive seasons with results like that). Just my opinion.

 

[AuHoosier420]

I don't think Pearl is going to get fired at all. If the program's expectations are being competitive in the SEC and making the tourney, then yep, Pearl can stay as long as he would like.

But I would offer that expectations and reality change based upon performance. If Pearl keeps having good to great regular seasons, postseason expectations (namely the impact of tournament results) should be elevated. To me, his last four seasons, specifically NCAA tournament results, have sucked. If Auburn gets a one seed this year and gets upset by an 8/9 seed, that should be a problem and a red flag (as that would be 5 consecutive seasons with results like that). Just my opinion.

again you are still just putting way to much focus on 1 game. Its why college baseball gets it right over college basketball with the ncaa tourney

 

[mcnicKY91]

again you are still just putting way to much focus on 1 game. Its why college baseball gets it right over college basketball with the ncaa tourney

To me, it makes the most sense to put the most focus on what wins the national championship, which is a 6 game single elimination tournament. The format is irrelevant.

No doubt, I am sure it is great for Auburn athletics that the basketball team has had some really good regular seasons. But if Pearl keeps losing early in March, he needs to start asking why this keeps happening, and how do I fix it. Not saying he needs to contend for a FF or natty, but he at least needs to get out of the first weekend, especially with this year's team, in my opinion.

 

[AuHoosier420]

To me, it makes the most sense to put the most focus on what wins the national championship, which is a 6 game single elimination tournament. The format is irrelevant.

No doubt, I am sure it is great for Auburn athletics that the basketball team has had some really good regular seasons. But if Pearl keeps losing early in March, he needs to start asking why this keeps happening, and how do I fix it. Not saying he needs to contend for a FF or natty, but he at least needs to get out of the first weekend, especially with this year's team, in my opinion.

My point ia that a 6 game single elimination basketball tourney is not a good format to determine who is the best team

 

[mcnicKY91]

My point ia that a 6 game single elimination basketball tourney is not a good format to determine who is the best team

True.

I would be a proponent of best of 3 starting in the Elite 8 or FF.

 

[AuHoosier420]

True.

I would be a proponent of best of 3 starting in the Elite 8 or FF.

I would model the college baseball tourney fully.

 

[mcnicKY91]

I would model the college baseball tourney fully.

Season would have to be elongated to allow for that format.

Also, you would have to say goodbye to completing brackets in its current format, at least with a double elimination format. Can't see that ever happening, too much money to be lost haha.

 

[mcnicKY91]

How long has he been there.

Elite 8 last year.

3rd year.

Maybe worry about your own program who hasnt done anything for quite some time.

I love the UK fans. Its December and you have the worst fan base in the country and you are bragging.

Out of curiosity, what are UK fans bragging about?

As for the Elite 8, everyone knows that only happened b/c Houston's best player got hurt at the beginning of the game. Duke took advantage and won a close game, but that was incredible luck, as we all saw the next game against NCST. Scheyer looked clueless on the sideline (then again he always does).

As for Scheyer, I have seen more then enough by his third season to see he is a crappy in game coach. He is Cal lite, relying on freshmen 5 stars to pull him across the finish line. Unfortunately that model of relying primarily on freshman doesn't work in 2024, especially when you have a coach who only knows how to draw up "iso" plays for his star freshmen.

 

[Rod Dangerfield]

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[lurkeraspect84]

 

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[lurkeraspect84]

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[lurkeraspect84]

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[Afamu]

Out of curiosity, what are UK fans bragging about?

As for the Elite 8, everyone knows that only happened b/c Houston's best player got hurt at the beginning of the game. Duke took advantage and won a close game, but that was incredible luck, as we all saw the next game against NCST. Scheyer looked clueless on the sideline (then again he always does).

As for Scheyer, I have seen more then enough by his third season to see he is a crappy in game coach. He is Cal lite, relying on freshmen 5 stars to pull him across the finish line. Unfortunately that model of relying primarily on freshman doesn't work in 2024, especially when you have a coach who only knows how to draw up "iso" plays for his star freshmen.

You watch all the Duke games?

Wow. Get a life.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

You watch all the Duke games?

Wow. Get a life.

You don't?

 

[lurkeraspect84]

@dukedevilz how many games do you watch a season. I've already lost count.

 

[Afamu]

You don't?

I am a Duke fan. I dont watch all of UK's games.

Its fine if you dont like Duke as a UK fan, since I dont make time for UK games.

But at least dont make stupid statements.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I am a Duke fan. I dont watch all of UK's games.

Its fine if you dont like Duke as a UK fan, since I dont make time for UK games.

But at least dont make stupid statements.

My bad, I thought you were a fan.

 

[dukedevilz]

@dukedevilz how many games do you watch a season. I've already lost count.

Not really sure, to be honest. Depends if you only count full games. If we're counting partial games, I might dabble (10+ minutes) around 35 games in a week. So, that would extrapolate to over 700 games in a season.

I don't keep a tally, so I might be missing the actual number a bit.

 

[dukedevilz]

If you're looking for a random, fun team to watch, I recommend Cal Poly. The players and the ball are constantly moving. They often play a 6'5 guy at center, too. A weird team to game plan against. I hope they can find a way to get into the NCAA Tournament.

 

[mcnicKY91]

You watch all the Duke games?

Wow. Get a life.

Dude...this is a college basketball forum. You do understand that, right?

I asked you one simple question, which was what are UK fans bragging about, because you made the claim.

Then I gave my opinion on what I have seen from Scheyer. I think he is a poor in game coach, based upon what I have seen.

If you cannot take someone criticizing the coach of a team that you root for, I would suggest staying off message boards altogether.

 

[Afamu]

Dude...this is a college basketball forum. You do understand that, right?

I asked you one simple question, which was what are UK fans bragging about, because you made the claim.

Then I gave my opinion on what I have seen from Scheyer. I think he is a poor in game coach, based upon what I have seen.

If you cannot take someone criticizing the coach of a team that you root for, I would suggest staying off message boards altogether.

I just disagree with you.

If you can’t take someone having a different opinion than you, I would suggest staying off message boards.

See how that works.

 

[mcnicKY91]

I just disagree with you.

If you can’t take someone having a different opinion than you, I would suggest staying off message boards.

See how that works.

Except you didn't say that at all.

You said UK fans are bragging. I asked how. And you still haven't answered.

Then I gave my opinion on Scheyer's in game coaching abilities. To which you randomly reply to get a life (and nothing about your take on Scheyer's in game coaching).

You are more then welcome to disagree. Then say so, and say why. Except you haven't done that at all in any of your responses in this thread to my posts.

So I have no idea what you are even talking about.