What's so different about this Purdue team than the Wisconsin team that went to back to back final fours? Did Wisconsin have elite athleticism?
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Advanced metrics would be MUCH better at seeding the NCAA tourney. Perfect example, PAC12. Almost yearly they get over seeded and bounced early AF. Advanced metrics show this. Human polls and "eye test" are what give them the bump up in seeding. Metrics are superior. Not flawless, but they are superior.
Meh. I guess they are good but they always seem to underachieve. That Stanford game could have easily went the other way. Let’s see if Sean can finally get to a final four with all that talent. I don’t think they even get to the elite 8 this year
Dude, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. That may be true in RPI which is why it sucks and isn't an advanced metric, but not true in every other rating system.
It's funny how many times people have to tell you you're wrong about this, yet you continue to assume you're correct. This is entertaining!
Seriously, I don't know how many ways you could explain this to him.
How in the hell can you be so certain and determined to prove something wrong that you don't know how it really works and can't come up with a real life example of it's "severly flawed" areas?
We hope so. Its time.
And lol a road conference win where possibly the best player in the country and #1 draft pick was completely taken out of the game by the refs could've "gone the other way"?! What a shock! But it did not, friend. And that's called sports. Happy you learned something this morning.
Sorry to upset you. I’m just saying that Arizona has underperformed during Sean Millers tenure. You guys have pretty much gotten who you want the last 7ish years want and haven’t made a final four. That’s not good
Just read back through this whole thread and I'm legitimately dumbfounded by how little @Kevin Bryan understands advanced metrics in basketball. Wow.
Kevin Bryan doesn't care about advanced metrics in basketball. WOW! Seems like most of you Purdue guys would rather crunch numbers than watching things unfold on the court though. Have fun with that.
You care so little that you've made about 30 posts in this thread alone arguing with people about how analytics work and the factors they use.
I mean just on this board alone -
3-4 weeks ago multiple posters started multiple arguments with me over advanced metrics
Jhmoss tried arguing advanced metrics suck because they rated Virginia 5th and "theres no way Virginia is a top 5 team."
Fast forward a month later and Virginia is 18-1 and leading the ACC
Rr30 tried arguing advanced metrics suck because theres " no way Arizona State is only the 20th best team in the nation" while humans way overreacted and vaulted them into the top 5 after they ran hot from 3 and won some games. Theyre now 1-4 in the pac 12 and about to be unranked
Tw30 argued with me that advanced metrics suck because they had Kansas 7th after Texas Tech went in and beat Kansas at Phog Allen. Kansas now leads the best conference in the nation with major wins both at home and on the road.
All the UK fans came in here and killed me for not having UK as a top 3 SEC team since I was copy and pasting BPI. Now, theyre 4-3 in the SEC and UK fans are openly wondering whether they even make the tournament.
And then of course everyone argued with me because advanced metrics had Purdue as a top 5 team a month ago, shortly after they lost 2 games in the Bahamas. Purdue now is universally regarded as a top 3 team and has won 15 in a row including Butler, Louisville, Arizona, and Michigan.
At some point, being wrong has to get old. Accepting the truth is OK.
3-4 weeks ago multiple posters started multiple arguments with me over advanced metrics
Jhmoss tried arguing advanced metrics suck because they rated Virginia 5th and "theres no way Virginia is a top 5 team."
Fast forward a month later and Virginia is 18-1 and leading the ACC
Rr30 tried arguing advanced metrics suck because theres " no way Arizona State is only the 20th best team in the nation" while humans way overreacted and vaulted them into the top 5 after they ran hot from 3 and won some games. Theyre now 1-4 in the pac 12 and about to be unranked
Tw30 argued with me that advanced metrics suck because they had Kansas 7th after Texas Tech went in and beat Kansas at Phog Allen. Kansas now leads the best conference in the nation with major wins both at home and on the road.
All the UK fans came in here and killed me for not having UK as a top 3 SEC team since I was copy and pasting BPI. Now, theyre 4-3 in the SEC and UK fans are openly wondering whether they even make the tournament.
And then of course everyone argued with me because advanced metrics had Purdue as a top 5 team a month ago, shortly after they lost 2 games in the Bahamas. Purdue now is universally regarded as a top 3 team and has won 15 in a row including Butler, Louisville, Arizona, and Michigan.
At some point, being wrong has to get old. Accepting the truth is OK.
You didnt upset me. We all know that. Arizona AND non-Arizona fans all agree with you.
But to discount a tough road win this year, that literally has nothing to do with the 2013-14 Arizona squads deficiencies and tourney exit, is lame. Thats all.
Sorry, but has Purdue won anything of note? You shot your wad a little early on this one. Maybe we should wait for them to get out of the sweet 16 before we crown them huh?
Another brilliant take from you. I have 2 questions for you:
1. Do you understand the difference between your and you’re? Based on previous posts, the answer should clearly be no.
2. Do you think Purdon’t is clever? You’ve used it in almost every post and it makes you sound like a child.
lol... no I didn't say they sucked unless i was just trying to **** with you which is entirely possible. I think they're incredibly useful and I look at kenpom weekly, doesn't mean I can't disagree with some of their rankings as well. Your issue is you go by advanced stats blindly and get incredibly butt hurt if anyone disagrees with you. In other words... advanced stats are a good metric to use but you shouldn't FAP to them daily or discount the eye test.
Btw, if you need advanced stats to tell you Kansas is going to do well in conference play... you're lost.
And Purdue is a good team, I don't think they're great, but they are top 5 this season as no one other than Villanova has really looked like a great team.
I don't think I ever said advanced metrics suck. It was just hard for me to believe that UVA was as good as the metrics suggested.
Can't wait for the Virginia - Cincinnati NCAAT matchup. First to 40 wins...
Honestly, I'm a HUGE fan of advanced metrics but I have some questions about FSU being a top 24 team. We don't seem to defend all that well and give up offensive rebounds by the truck load. But maybe it's just a wide open year?
I'm sold on Nova but they like to get eliminated early as a 1 seed historically, so does Duke btw but usually not when we have an elite big man and this year we have 2. I think Purdue is really good for a big ten team but I think Michigan State ends up going farther in the tournament.
As an MSU fan, is disagree. We committed 25 turnovers against Illinois. If we play a team like Texas Tech or West Virginia, we probably lose. We aren’t a bad team, but until we get the turnovers under control I really can’t say we are a top 5 team. Especially not better than Purdue right now. In the tournement, idk. MSU has a higher ceiling imo, but Purdue is just flat out better right now
Could easily happen. MSU is obviously loaded with talent and has a very high ceiling. The question is whether they can turn it on and play up to their potential. Guard depth and TOs are a serious concern.
Uh, apparently you don't know the difference between "You're" (AKA: you are) and your. I used it correctly. So in trying to be captain grammar, you made yourself look the fool.
Yes, yes I do think "Purdon't" is clever. Thanks.
You're using BPI in December, that's your first problem.
Your second problem is you're a Purdon't fan.
You're third problem is you think Purdon't is actually going to do something of note this year or anytime soon.
You're fourth problem is you haven't learned yet that Purdon't always falls flat on their face when it counts, yet you guys are here talking smack on the daily, as if you're some blue blood.
You're fifth problem is you think Purdon't would be the best team in ANY conference with the absolute slowest big man I have ever seen play the game.
And your last problem is you're a Purdon't fan that's using BPI as a barometer in December.
Some people are going to say I doubled up on your problems list, but they were so bad I had to list them twice.
Have a Merry Christmas
@kyjeff1 I’ve highlighted your grammar mistakes. And no, you didn’t use it correctly. Better luck next time.
Well, you got me on that one, I either wasn't paying attention, or got auto corrected and didn't realize it. I'm very cognizant of things like that. Drives me nuts to see those mistakes, even on a message board where proper grammar isn't necessary.
However, calling people out for grammar mistakes on a message board is pretty lame, but when that's all you have for your argument, I guess that's the card you have to play.
As far as the "Purdon't" thing, it's meant as a joke and you're gonna… .sorry GOING TO have to lighten up, or things like that will eat you alive on here. UK fans get ragged on all the time on here, if we took all that seriously we woulld all have jumped off the nearest bridge by now.
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