sad to say but the price of gas will be the 1st to sky rocket

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    today Oil is up 0.25 per barrel while gas is up 0.08 per gallon.

    considering there are 42 gallon of oil in a barrel the jump in gas makes no sense.
     
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    Here is a simple explanation of why you can't compare crude prices to what you're paying at the pump and expect to get an exact number each time.

    What determines the cost of crude oil?
    The cost of crude oil is the largest component of the retail price of gasoline, and the cost of crude oil as a share of the retail gasoline price varies over time and across regions of the country. Many factors affect crude oil prices; learn about seven major factors that influence crude oil prices in What Drives Crude Oil Prices? Increases in U.S. oil production in the past several years have helped reduce upward pressure on oil and gasoline prices.

    Taxes add to the price of gasoline
    Federal, state, and local government taxes also contribute to the retail price of gasoline. The federal gasoline excise tax is 18.30¢ per gallon and the federal Leaking Underground Storage Tank fee is 0.1¢ per gallon. As of July 1, 2019, total state taxes and fees on gasoline averaged 29.66¢ per gallon. Sales taxes along with taxes applied by local and municipal governments can have a significant impact on the price of gasoline in some locations.

    Refining costs and profits
    Refining costs and profits vary seasonally and by region in the United States, partly because of the different gasoline formulations required to reduce air pollution in different parts of the country. The characteristics of the gasoline produced depend on the type of crude oil that is used and the type of processing technology available at the refinery where it is produced. Gasoline prices are also affected by the cost of other ingredients that may be blended into the gasoline, including fuel ethanol. Gasoline demand usually increases in the summer, which generally results in higher prices.

    Distribution and marketing
    Distribution, marketing, and retail dealer costs and profits are also included in the retail price of gasoline. Most gasoline is shipped from refineries by pipeline to terminals near consuming areas, where it may be blended with other products —such as fuel ethanol—to meet local government and market specifications. Gasoline is delivered by tanker truck to individual gasoline stations.

    Some retail outlets are owned and operated by refiners, while others are independent businesses that purchase gasoline from refiners and marketers for resale to the public. The price at the pump also reflects local market conditions and factors, such as the fueling location and the marketing strategy of the owner.

    The cost of doing business by individual gasoline retailers can vary greatly depending on where a gasoline fueling station is located. These costs include wages and salaries, benefits, equipment, lease or rent payments, insurance, overhead, and state and local fees. Even retail stations close to each other can have different traffic patterns, rent, and sources of supply that affect their prices. The number and location of local competitors can also affect prices.
     
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    lets put it another way gas is up 15.75 % today
     
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    there is no demand for gas, as the demand has fallen off a cliff.
    also gas on the spot market are before any taxes.

    one more thing these price changes are on paper only as they are for the April CONTRACTS = paper only transactions.
     
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    I don't know what else to tell you. Gas prices are the lowest they've been in years right now. We've always seen random fluctuations from week to week or even day to day. There are so many moving parts involved that it's hard to give you an exact reason why they went up today.
     
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    One of my golfing buddies just bought $5000 worth of Shell last week hoping it would go up and he could then sell. I thought about it but didn't pull the trigger.
     
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    Shell, Chevron and Exxon are probably great buys right now. If you're looking to hold for the long term I'd say they are excellent buys. I won't pretend to know what will happen with them over the next 2 years (worst case scenario is Russia holds out for 18-24 months I'm reading) but those companies could be good buys to flip for 2x what they're worth now anywhere from just a few months to 3-5 years.

    Bottomline is those 3 companies won't be going anywhere. They will survive all of this.
     
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    What about Marathon? My financial advisor talked me into buying a few marathon stocks after the stock market took the first big hit. Needless to say it took numberpus other hits afterwards.

    Is marathon in the same category as Shell, Chevron, and Exxon? Or are those companies more geared at converting oil to gasoline where as marathon just sells gas? And for the record I’m not a complete idiot, I was just diversifying my portfolio and my advisor advised I should at least put some in the oil/fuel sector.
     
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    A spin-off game show of:

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    Laughing Ido miss my teenage years.

    I'll see myself out.
     
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    The gas here went down $.20 a gallon.

    As they say in real estate. LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION!
     
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    on the day it went up 26%. just on speculation from the stimulus.

    the demand is just not there to justify any jump in prices.

    I remember as a kid when the gas station would gas wars and the price at the pump would drop below 20 cents per gallon. that was when there were attendents that pumped the gas and cleaned the windows,
    they would ask how much and dad just said just a couple bucks.

    now its 10.00 bucks to get a few gallons. back then oil was going for $10 per barrel.

    there was article put out showing just how much money and the products that came out of barrel.
    plastics was the biggest
    the total income from just 1 barrel of oil was $1285.00 before the gas was figured in.

    it was figured out that the money from gas was pure profit.
    other products to come out oil
    Asphalt
    grease
    tar
    both for the back of shingles and face where the colored particle were spread on. and for use around the house that gets sold by the gallon.

    tar paper that is spread on the roof before the shingles are put down
    Tar babies which get melted down and is used on major buildings to keep the rain from coming thru the roof.

    don't need to hear this garbage excuse of well it costs this and this. when you posters ignore all the products they make money off of what are the by products.

    gas is just a fraction of what they get out of the oil.
     
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    Gas here is $1.04 per gallon...

    Yes, ONE----oh-----Four.
     
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    Yep. About 2o miles from here, its $1.04
     
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    It is 30 cents less than that in Smiths Grove.
     
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    it may end up in April before we really see the low prices.
     
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    the surge because of the stimulus will last just so long. as the death toll and more cases that keep popping up the prices will go down.
     
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    Hopefully Russia and Saudi Arabia agree to end their price war and we all can go back to paying $1 more per gallon at the pumps.

    That’s what we really want. ;)
     
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    nah closer to $5.00 per gallon that way the hedge fund managers can make more money and the rich collect bigger dividend checks.
     
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    Am I missing the point of this thread?
     
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    not sure the point of this thread is the price of gas and how easy it is to manipulate.
     
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    $65 WTI is perfect for the American oil industry.
     
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    why? is it because most of your stock is in oil companies and you aren't getting your outrages dividends?
     
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    No. It has nothing to do with stock. I actually live and work in the center (Midland, TX) of the American oil industry.

    At $65 oil everybody up and down across the board is able to stay profitable. People/companies aren’t being too risky yet they aren’t being too cautious.

    When oil gets too low you see a cutback on rigs, wells become shut-in, people get laid off, companies go bankrupt, investments become worthless since a lot of what exploration is is put on a timeline (3 Year Terms to drill or else you lose the rights). There is a ripple effect across the entire economy when oil is down since the industry touches so many other things.

    When oil gets too high people/companies begin to start making much more risky plays, they drill more, borrow more money, hire more unqualified people because they need bodies, etc. then the supply chain becomes overloaded, lawsuits happen, workplace accidents, etc. because everybody is trying to drill as much as they can to take advantage of selling at record high prices. Time and time again this has always lead to periods of very low price of oil. Historically the American oil man has always drilled themselves into a bust. The term “pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered” applies to us here.

    When oil is at $65, everybody in the industry stays happy, work is plentiful for the right people, wages remain high and there’s no real threat of losing job security.

    I mean, there’s a ton of factors involved here. When the oil industry is doing well that helps with the ripple effect across the American economy. I won’t pretend like I know too much about it but what I’ve said above is a pretty loose understanding of why WTI in that range is something that’s good for us and America.

    Also, **** Russia.
     
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    then why are the number of drilling rigs increasing in the field,

    Exxon just showed that they are making 49% less money at less than $25 per barrel,

    that means they are still making a 51% profit. again these companies are MAKING money at a 50% rate and are putting more rigs into drilling. right now the US is producing 13,000,000 bpd and is increasing the output.

    don't see them suffering like you make it out to be.

    most small businesses don't make a 50% profit on their products.

    ooo poor oil companies are only making 7.5 Billion in pure profit per month vs the 15 Billion dollars per month.
     
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    the market going into noon on the EC
    DOW +1173.50
    S&P +121.30
    oil -1.12 per barrell at 23.37
    gas +0.05 per gallon. all because of these stimulus checks and NOTHING ELSE.
     
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    There are other companies than Exxon and the other majors like Chevron and Shell. You know that right?

    Here's an excerpt from an article just last month before the price crashed. Rig counts have been down leading up to this. I have no idea why you think it's going up;

    "The combined North American rig count finished at 1,045, down from 1,275 at this time last year. Among plays, the Permian Basin saw the largest week/week change, picking up three rigs to increase its total to 408. That's off from 473 rigs a year ago."

    Diamondback Energy dropped their active rigs by like 80%. Endeavor Energy is going from 10 active rigs to 2. Literally everybody is cutting back on drilling right now and dozens of others will go bankrupt this year.

    I have no idea what your end game is here. You are complaining about the lowest gas prices in 15+ years while at the same time complaining that the largest companies in the world are profitable. What is your point in all of this?
     
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    Dragon Hawk, I am not picking on you but your posts in this thread. Are you going to vote for Bernie Sanders, or the person left standing closest to the left of Bernie?

    Why do you hate the American oil industry? Give us some basic reason, other than they make money for their stockholders. Then please explain why they should not make money for their stockholders.

    Commie concepts are great for lazy folks, that way they don't have to work. Let someone produce the food at no profit and the commie bastards can eat for free.

    I worked my ass off for a large U.S. corporation. I never saw them as evil. We got things done that aided the U.S. and its people to have a great life and along the way we made an EVIL PROFIT. Holy shit! What is wrong with making money?

    I called on the American Oil industry in Houston, TX and they are fantastic citizens. Not only do they give us oil they give us the basic chemicals to make all sorts of stuff from glue to CD's and Blu-ray. I don't see them as evil; I see them as necessary.

    I never saw a large U.S. corporation as evil. I see them as allies in making our lives good.

    I simply don't understand why folks hate the companies that give us such a great standard of living. The reason the U.S. is exceptional is our people and industries.

    Why hate folks who do us favors? Well the left sees them as the enemy. Common shared poverty is better than a great standard of living.

    I hope that I have you figured wrong. Please correct me if that is so.
     
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    His issues are not political, they are looking for simple answers to complicated and varied questions and incorrect reasoning.

    1st The local gas station at where ever he lives in Iowa is not the epicenter for what is going on everywhere in the world on oil/gas. Gas prices fluctuate and a .05 cent change is not a 15% move.

    2nd Exxon profits fell 49% last qtr, the oil price was $53-$63, so his statement about profits on $25/oil are unfounded.

    3rd It takes 2.1 gal of oil to make 1 gal of gas. So, it is not 100% yield much less refining, transportation,tax ect.

    4th The claim that Exxon and other Oil companies are making 10 bil a year is ridiculous.

    5th Companies make decisions to expand drilling years in advance, they don't snap their finger and have them start digging one morning.
     
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    Go figure.
     
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    Maybe, it is because their stock prices have almost been cut in half since December?
     
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    you do not follow the quarterly reports do you, it was reported that they were making 15+ Billion DOLLAR PER MONTH,

    talking about that avg worker does not compare to the CEO that makes 40-50 MILLION PER YEAR.

    my guess is the avg worker makes 1600 per week for a avg of $40 per hour. compare that the the 7.50 per hour some people make.

    making a living is not the problem. at the highest I made $17 per hour as a robotic transfer operator who had to program and fix if they broke down, also at that factory I was a CNC Operator, robotic welder operator, hydraulic or numatic press operator, depending on the press I ran on that particular night.

    started out at $8.25 per hour and ended up at $17.00 per hour before they shut the factory and moved to a closer place to their costumers, this never did make any sense as they made parts for Toyota, Mistubishi, over in Japan, then they made parts for the big 4 in Detroit.
     
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    for over 40 years I have tracked the stock markets, using my training in becoming a Production Analysis, with a label of Expert in Statistical Analysis.

    I have made countless graphs, flow charts following the income of these companies to find the tendencies of them,

    something some of you know nothing about. to put into laymen terms my job was in Industrial Engeneering and it is in this that a have my degree in.

    can't stand working in a office.
     
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    I don't follow the qtr reports, but I looked them up to support my position.
    Last qtr Exxon made 3 billion for the entire qtr. Exxon's CEO makes $1,500,000/per year.

    Here are the wages. Your guess was wrong.

    Installation & Maintenance AVERAGE SALARY SALARY DISTRIBUTION
    Technician
    8 salaries reported
    $49,199 per year
    $17,000
    $170,000
    Process Operator
    8 salaries reported
    $92,286 per year
    $17,000
    $170,000
    Operator
    5 salaries reported
    $89,512 per year
    $17,000
    $170,000
    Process Technician
    4 salaries reported
    $80,259 per year
    Min and max salaries are hidden when we have fewer than 5 salaries
    Browse all ExxonMobil salaries by category
     
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    they are also in the process of switching from the winter blends to the more expensive summer blends in most of the country
     

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