Post your weekly top 25 * Week 5

[ThePhog08]

1. Kansas - wins over UNC, Duke, and MSU are good wins. None were blowouts. Taking time for this team to gel but they have everything.
2. Auburn - Definitely have the best wins so far this year. They have a lot of good college players and 1 star.
3. Tennessee - Normal great defensive and start for Tennessee
4. Kentucky - Still curious about their defense and outside of Duke, not a big win but they deserve it.
5. Marquette - Kam Jones has been stellar.
6. Iowa State
7. Gonzaga
8. Wisconsin
9. Florida
10. Purdue
11. Oregon
12. Memphis
13. Duke
14. Pitt
15. Alabama
16. Illinois
17. Michigan
18. Ole Miss
19. Drake
20. Texas Tech
21. North Carolina
22. Michigan state
23. Cincy
24. Baylor
25. Houston

 

[AuHoosier420]

1. Kansas - wins over UNC, Duke, and MSU are good wins. None were blowouts. Taking time for this team to gel but they have everything.
2. Auburn - Definitely have the best wins so far this year. They have a lot of good college players and 1 star.
3. Tennessee - Normal great defensive and start for Tennessee
4. Kentucky - Still curious about their defense and outside of Duke, not a big win but they deserve it.
5. Marquette - Kam Jones has been stellar.
6. Iowa State
7. Gonzaga
8. Wisconsin
9. Florida
10. Purdue
11. Oregon
12. Memphis
13. Duke
14. Pitt
15. Alabama
16. Illinois
17. Michigan
18. Ole Miss
19. Drake
20. Texas Tech
21. North Carolina
22. Michigan state
23. Cincy
24. Baylor
25. Houston

I think you have Houston a bit to low but agree with most everything else

 

[ThePhog08]

I think you have Houston a bit to low but agree with most everything else

3 loss teams make me cringe to rank. I dont see them outscoring anyone in the top 10 on a neutral floor. But they will crush NET teams from 18-35 though.

 

[AuHoosier420]

3 loss teams make me cringe to rank. I dont see them outscoring anyone in the top 10 on a neutral floor. But they will crush NET teams from 18-35 though.

whoops. I missed that they lost to san diego st.

 

[ThePhog08]

whoops. I missed that they lost to san diego st.

So many in the media have Houston 15-20 range. They don't deserve it.

 

[AuHoosier420]

So many in the media have Houston 15-20 range. They don't deserve it.

yeah that ranking would be based off last year. Nothing this year

 

[dukedevilz]

So many in the media have Houston 15-20 range. They don't deserve it.

Depends what your criteria is for ranking teams. Is it based on resumes? Then no, Houston shouldn't even be ranked. But if you're asking me to rank the best 10 teams, I'm still putting Houston in that mix. They're struggling to close games out. But, They were up by 4 against Alabama in the final minute - and they were up a point on Auburn with less than 2 minutes left. If this team is healthy, they'll compete for a Big 12 title.

 

[ThePhog08]

Depends what your criteria is for ranking teams. Is it based on resumes? Then no, Houston shouldn't even be ranked. But if you're asking me to rank the best 10 teams, I'm still putting Houston in that mix. They're struggling to close games out. But, They were up by 4 against Alabama in the final minute - and they were up a point on Auburn with less than 2 minutes left. If this team is healthy, they'll compete for a Big 12 title.

Who are they outscoring? They can't score the basketball. Coaching and D will keep things close . But they aren't great.

 

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NET Rankings Top 10​

Rank	Team	WL	Avg Opp NET Rank	Avg Opp NET	NET SOS	WAB
1	Tennessee	7-0	41	128	96	7
2	Auburn	7-0	12	94	16	1
3	Gonzaga	7-1	24	113	39	9
4	Duke	5-2	23	112	28	26
5	Pittsburgh	7-1	8	85	29	6
6	Florida	8-0	108	163	268	18
7	Marquette	8-0	78	148	67	3
8	Kentucky	7-0	146	176	212	15
9	Kansas	7-0	24	113	49	4
10	Illinois	6-1	187	186	147	31

I'll just go with the NET Rankings...

 

[fluoxetine]

#1 Tennessee (7-0)
#2 Auburn (7-0)
#3 Kentucky (7-0)
#4 Kansas (7-0)
#5 Marquette (8-0)
#6 Gonzaga (7-1)
#7 Wisconsin (8-0)
#8 Pittsburgh (7-1)
#9 Oregon (8-0)
#10 Florida (8-0)
#11 Iowa St (5-1)
#12 Utah St (6-0)
#13 Oklahoma (7-0)
#14 Louisville (5-2)
#15 Duke (5-2)
#16 Memphis (6-1)
#17 Purdue (7-1)
#18 West Virginia (5-2)
#19 Alabama (6-2)
#20 Arizona St (7-1)
#21 Baylor (5-2)
#22 Clemson (7-1)
#23 San Diego St (3-2)
#24 Georgia (7-1)
#25 UC Irvine (7-0)

 

[ThePhog08]

#1 Tennessee (7-0)
#2 Auburn (7-0)
#3 Kentucky (7-0)
#4 Kansas (7-0)
#5 Marquette (8-0)
#6 Gonzaga (7-1)
#7 Wisconsin (8-0)
#8 Pittsburgh (7-1)
#9 Oregon (8-0)
#10 Florida (8-0)
#11 Iowa St (5-1)
#12 Utah St (6-0)
#13 Oklahoma (7-0)
#14 Louisville (5-2)
#15 Duke (5-2)
#16 Memphis (6-1)
#17 Purdue (7-1)
#18 West Virginia (5-2)
#19 Alabama (6-2)
#20 Arizona St (7-1)
#21 Baylor (5-2)
#22 Clemson (7-1)
#23 San Diego St (3-2)
#24 Georgia (7-1)
#25 UC Irvine (7-0)

I defer to flux

 

[AuHoosier420]

kansas is just 9 points ahead of Auburn in new ap poll. Auburn got 26 first place votes. Tennessee is 3. Kentucky is 4.

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[mcnicKY91]

kansas is just 9 points ahead of Auburn in new ap poll. Auburn got 26 first place votes. Tennessee is 3. Kentucky is 4.

NCAA College Basketball Rankings: AP Top 25 Basketball Poll

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Wait, Duke lost and looked like crap against Seattle and moved up two spots? How is that even possible??

 

[AuHoosier420]

Wait, Duke lost and looked like crap against Seattle and moved up two spots? How is that even possible??

they lost to the #1 team in the country. Quite a few others around them lost as well. Including gonzaga, Houston twice, uconn 3 times and unc.

 

[mcnicKY91]

they lost to the #1 team in the country. Quite a few others around them lost as well. Including gonzaga, Houston twice, uconn 3 times and unc.

I understand that. But there are a slew of undefeated teams just below Duke that should all be above Duke.

I have no problem with Duke being ahead of the teams you mentioned, but you can't put a two loss team ahead of a bunch of undefeated teams.

 

[AuHoosier420]

I understand that. But there are a slew of undefeated teams just below Duke that should all be above Duke.

I have no problem with Duke being ahead of the teams you mentioned, but you can't put a two loss team ahead of a bunch of undefeated teams.

sure you can. Who have those undefeated teams beat? Duke 2 losses are to teams ranked 1st and 4th.

 

[mcnicKY91]

sure you can. Who have those undefeated teams beat? Duke 2 losses are to teams ranked 1st and 4th.

Who has Duke beaten? A crappy AZ team?

If I follow your logic, if Duke loses by a one possession score to Auburn, then they shouldn't drop in the polls because of Auburn's high ranking.

Oklahoma just won a preseason tournament and is undefeated. They should in no way, shape, or form be below Duke.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Who has Duke beaten? A crappy AZ team?

If I follow your logic, if Duke loses by a one possession score to Auburn, then they shouldn't drop in the polls because of Auburn's high ranking.

Oklahoma just won a preseason tournament and is undefeated. They should in no way, shape, or form be below Duke.

I will agree that preaseason bias plays a factor here. Oklahamas best win is probably also Arizona by the way

 

[ExitFlagger]

I understand that. But there are a slew of undefeated teams just below Duke that should all be above Duke.

I have no problem with Duke being ahead of the teams you mentioned, but you can't put a two loss team ahead of a bunch of undefeated teams.
Oklahoma just won a preseason tournament and is undefeated. They should in no way, shape, or form be below Duke.

Unless the teams below them notched great wins, there's no reason to rank them above a team that has only lost to top 5 teams. Do you really think Oklahoma is better than Duke?

 

[mcnicKY91]

Unless the teams below them notched great wins, there's no reason to rank them above a team that has only lost to top 5 teams. Do you really think Oklahoma is better than Duke?

Oklahoma beat Providence, AZ, and UL. And hasn't lost.

Duke has lost two games, and has only beat AZ.

Oklahoma has a much better resume then Duke, and should be ranked ahead.

Never said Oklahoma was better then Duke. But their resume is deserving of a higher ranking then Duke, and that is not debatable.

Again, if Duke loses to Auburn, they will have three losses. But according to your logic, nobody that is below them can pass them unless they notch a great win. That makes zero sense.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Oklahoma beat Providence, AZ, and UL. And hasn't lost.

Duke has lost two games, and has only beat AZ.

Oklahoma has a much better resume then Duke, and should be ranked ahead.

Never said Oklahoma was better then Duke. But their resume is deserving of a higher ranking then Duke, and that is not debatable.

Again, if Duke loses to Auburn, they will have three losses. But according to your logic, nobody that is below them can pass them unless they notch a great win. That makes zero sense.

Providence went 0-3 this past week. How is that a win to tout? Here is a better question. Do you think Duke is undefeated with oklahoma's schedule?

 

[mcnicKY91]

Providence went 0-3 this past week. How is that a win to tout? Here is a better question. Do you think Duke is undefeated with oklahoma's schedule?

I never said it was a win to tout. I said beating three power 5 schools (or whatever the major conferences are called nowadays) with zero losses is objectively better then a team with two losses who has only beat one power 5 school.

And yes, OK would probably lose to both UK and KU. But that is irrelevant, as the polls should not work in hypotheticals, but what is actually happening, which namely is that OK has an unobjectively better resume then Duke.

 

[AuHoosier420]

I never said it was a win to tout. I said beating three power 5 schools (or whatever the major conferences are called nowadays) with zero losses is objectively better then a team with two losses who has only beat one power 5 school.

And yes, OK would probably lose to both UK and KU. But that is irrelevant, as the polls should not work in hypotheticals, but what is actually happening, which namely is that OK has an unobjectively better resume then Duke.

Rankings each week are not done purely on resume wins because schedules arent equal. Usually by end of the season though rankings will work themselves out. You are basically saying duke should be pentalized for playing a harder schedule.

 

[mcnicKY91]

Rankings each week are not done purely on resume wins because schedules arent equal. Usually by end of the season though rankings will work themselves out. You are basically saying duke should be pentalized for playing a harder schedule.

No doubt they will work themselves out. Just think it is kind of ridiculous that a two loss team is moving up in the rankings.

And yes, teams should be penalized for losing games. Duke lost a second game this past week, so should drop in the polls. Yes, the quality of opponent most definitely matters, as I am not advocating Duke falls massively, but they sure as heck should not be moving up.

In my opinion, teams cannot just hide behind the fact that while "yes we lost, but it was to a top 5 team, so we shouldn't be penalized for that." Of course they should. You can't schedule tough teams and then use that as a cop out when you lose, in my opinion.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Oklahoma beat Providence, AZ, and UL. And hasn't lost.

Duke has lost two games, and has only beat AZ.

Oklahoma has a much better resume then Duke, and should be ranked ahead.

Never said Oklahoma was better then Duke. But their resume is deserving of a higher ranking then Duke, and that is not debatable.

Again, if Duke loses to Auburn, they will have three losses. But according to your logic, nobody that is below them can pass them unless they notch a great win. That makes zero sense.

Not debatable? Both have zero wins vs a currently ranked team. One just played a much tougher schedule. Playing tight games with KU and Kentucky is more impressive than beating Providence.

Arizona's home court is one of the toughest environments to play in and Duke rolled them. OU barely squeaked by AZ on a neutral court.

Obviously, where these teams started in the rankings makes a big difference. If Duke had started unranked, they wouldn't be #9 right now. And if Oklahoma had started in the top 10, they'd obviously be higher than 21. You should know how this works by now.

 

[mcnicKY91]

Not debatable? Both have zero wins vs a currently ranked team. One just played a much tougher schedule. Playing tight games with KU and Kentucky is more impressive than beating Providence.

Arizona's home court is one of the toughest environments to play in and Duke rolled them. OU barely squeaked by AZ on a neutral court.

Obviously, where these teams started in the rankings makes a big difference. If Duke had started unranked, they wouldn't be #9 right now. And if Oklahoma had started in the top 10, they'd obviously be higher than 21. You should know how this works by now.

Doesn't matter dude. Oklahoma's resume is better then Duke's, that is the bottom line.

Again, according to you, Duke can lose to Auburn but shouldn't be penalized. Who cares that they would have 3 losses, nobody can move in front of them unless they notched a great win. Makes no sense dude.

Can't keep losing to really good teams and then claim "but they were top 5/10 teams, so you can't hold it against us."

Terrible logic.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Oklahoma beat Providence, AZ, and UL. And hasn't lost.

Duke has lost two games, and has only beat AZ.

Oklahoma has a much better resume then Duke, and should be ranked ahead.

Never said Oklahoma was better then Duke. But their resume is deserving of a higher ranking then Duke, and that is not debatable.

Again, if Duke loses to Auburn, they will have three losses. But according to your logic, nobody that is below them can pass them unless they notch a great win. That makes zero sense.

I would have ranked Oregon higher, but I don't see any others that have a great case for jumping them.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Doesn't matter dude. Oklahoma's resume is better then Duke's, that is the bottom line.

Doesn't matter? Are there rules for this, and did you make them? Lol. Obviously it does matter to the people who voted.

Again, according to you, Duke can lose to Auburn but shouldn't be penalized. Who cares that they would have 3 losses, nobody can move in front of them unless they notched a great win. Makes no sense dude.

Can't keep losing to really good teams and then claim "but they were top 5/10 teams, so you can't hold it against us."

Terrible logic.

Nope...never said they shouldn't be penalized for losses. It all depends on what happens around them. If everybody loses, then some teams will stay the same or even move up. Those with quality losses (and the most perceived talent) have the best chance to stay put or move up. This is nothing new.

Duke may not deserve to move up, but an unranked team definitely doesn't deserve to catapult into the top 10 for beating a couple average/mediocre teams.

The better question is why are you giving yourself a heart attack over an early season poll? 😆