Pay the Players

[Silent Banjo]

no you are the crock as these kids had the chance to go pro right out of HS and get paid, FB players don't get that option and you never if ever hear the FB players complaining and FB is the biggest money maker for the colleges. only these spoiled BB players are crying about having to go to college, each year only 64 players are drafted and only the 1st round picks are guaranteed to get a contract.

to many are over rating their importance to the game of BB, that is because of ESPN over hyping these players.

You're just hopelessly naive. Why shouldn't the players have the right reinstated if they subsequently reconsider? Sounds like you just want athletic entertainment on TV and for these kids to forsake riches that they could be receiving so you can eat snacks and feed your face while the games go on. Basketball players are pretty predictable as having an immediate or short term impact. Do you think the Lakers regret having drafted Kobe Bryant at age 17?

 

[Silent Banjo]

so now the players are worth more than the coaches?
the normal worker in any company works physically harder than most executives. and now you are saying the common worker should get paid more.

boy do you ever live in a fantasy world.

It's not so much working harder, it's being more responsible for success. Do you think Michael Jordan earned less than Phil Jackson? Do you think Lebron James earns less than Tyron Lue?

 

[nitewing]

It's not so much working harder, it's being more responsible for success. Do you think Michael Jordan earned less than Phil Jackson? Do you think Lebron James earns less than Tyron Lue?

stop comparing Pro players to college players,

the thing is Colleges don't need these players period,

its so funny Baseball has been doing this for years and NONE of the players have said a word about how it is set up, you really think those Baseball players are that STUPID. they know a good deal when they see it. these kids are not total MORONS like you try to make them out to be.

stop trying to make something out of NOTHING.

 

[Silent Banjo]

stop comparing Pro players to college players,

the thing is Colleges don't need these players period,

its so funny Baseball has been doing this for years and NONE of the players have said a word about how it is set up, you really think those Baseball players are that STUPID. they know a good deal when they see it. these kids are not total MORONS like you try to make them out to be.

stop trying to make something out of NOTHING.

And now you're retreating from your position. You drew up the issue of executives and common workers and the traditional gulf in salary. Usually, in those instances the labor of the common workers is replaceable and some special intellectual skill of the executive holds sway. Coach K would be Joe Blow if he didn't have highly skilled and rare finds from Christian Laettner to Grant Hill to Shane Battier to Grayson Allen producing hardwood success and justifying his $8 million salary, not to mention money flowing from shoe contracts. So your griping about the theory of common workers earning more than the coach is aeons from being realized.

In basketball, as I said, your immediate worth is pretty much known. In fact, if the NBA didn't have this artificial rule denying competitive labor, Ayton, Bagley, et al, would have been selected high last year. I don't give a crap about baseball and I don't know how many might have complained about the system...and neither do you. The immediate worth of a prospect isn't as surefire and that would explain why there's no controversy.

As I said, you should read Indentured before you can knowledgeably talk about this issue.

 

[nitewing]

And now you're retreating from your position. You drew up the issue of executives and common workers and the traditional gulf in salary. Usually, in those instances the labor of the common workers is replaceable and some special intellectual skill of the executive holds sway. Coach K would be Joe Blow if he didn't have highly skilled and rare finds from Christian Laettner to Grant Hill to Shane Battier to Grayson Allen producing hardwood success and justifying his $8 million salary, not to mention money flowing from shoe contracts. So you're griping about the theory of common workers earning more than the coach is aeons from being realized.

In basketball, as I said, your immediate worth is pretty much known. In fact, if the NBA didn't have this artificial rule denying competitive labor, Ayton, Bagley, et al, would have been selected high last year. I don't give a crap about baseball and I don't know how many might have complained about the system...and neither do you. The immediate worth of a prospect isn't as surefire and that would explain why there's no controversy.

As I said, you should read Indentured before you can knowledgeably talk about this issue.

all I know about baseball that the players drafted in the 1st 10 round money 6 figure signing bonuses, the higher the round the more they get, Pitcher Probst for Iowa was offered over 300,000 dollars to sign right out of HS. as a HS player. Iowa 1st Baseman RSJR James received a 250,000 dollar signing bonus as a 5th round draft pick and now after playing the rest of the summer in a league just below Class A, he has been promoted to Class A of the Houston Astros.

so yes these HS Baseball players have already been evaluated as to how much they are paid coming out of HS before they ever sign a LOI to play college baseball.

yes I know exactly what indentured servant means and that was abolished over 2 centuries ago.

also it meant that somebody paid their fare to get to the colonies from across the sea, so they were in fact in debt to the person who paid their way to come to the colonies. so did that mean after these people got here no longer had to pay or in this case work off the debt?

go tell the bank that loaned you any money that you won't pay them back.

 

[Silent Banjo]

all I know about baseball that the players drafted in the 1st 10 round money 6 figure signing bonuses, the higher the round the more they get, Pitcher Probst for Iowa was offered over 300,000 dollars to sign right out of HS. as a HS player. Iowa 1st Baseman RSJR James received a 250,000 dollar signing bonus as a 5th round draft pick and now after playing the rest of the summer in a league just below Class A, he has been promoted to Class A of the Houston Astros.

so yes these HS Baseball players have already been evaluated as to how much they are paid coming out of HS before they ever sign a LOI to play college baseball.

yes I know exactly what indentured servant means and that was abolished over 2 centuries ago.

also it meant that somebody paid their fare to get to the colonies from across the sea, so they were in fact in debt to the person who paid their way to come to the colonies. so did that mean after these people got here no longer had to pay or in this case work off the debt?

go tell the bank that loaned you any money that you won't pay them back.

Yeah, the baseball players who are surefire prospects usually sign and those that don't either aren't surefire prospects and/or have have legitimate college aspirations That isn't analogous to so many basketball players who aren't that wealthy and need money because of a desperate family situation, not to mention have the chance for immediate dizzying riches. The amount you singled out for baseball players is chickenfeed compared to what basketball players would command.

So, except for a fraction of the wealth and the relative likelihood of success, your parallels are astonishing.

Interesting that you understand what the term indentured servant means but fail to see how it bears similarity to the experience of college basketball and football players. You know, they labor extensively for the athletic program, have to puddy their scholastic hours around that obligation, and reap nothing from the fortunes they generate while making a millionaire of the coach, funding facilities, and swelling the coffers of other support systems. They can't even make money off the jerseys in the bookstore bearing their name. To me it sounds like a major case of exploitation, but I'm sure you have a more palatable word.

Speaking of definitions, maybe you can give me the meaning of student-athlete, as it really applies to this discussion.

 

[nitewing]

Yeah, the baseball players who are surefire prospects usually sign and those that don't either aren't surefire prospects and/or have have legitimate college aspirations That isn't analogous to so many basketball players who aren't that wealthy and need money because of a desperate family situation, not to mention have the chance for immediate dizzying riches. The amount you singled out for baseball players is chickenfeed compared to what basketball players would command.

So, except for a fraction of the wealth and the relative likelihood of success, your parallels are astonishing.

Interesting that you understand what the term indentured servant means but fail to see how it bears similarity to the experience of college basketball and football players. You know, they labor extensively for the athletic program, have to puddy their scholastic hours around that obligation, and reap nothing from the fortunes they generate while making a millionaire of the coach, funding facilities, and swelling the coffers of other support systems. They can't even make money off the jerseys in the bookstore bearing their name. To me it sounds like a major case of exploitation, but I'm sure you have a more palatable word.

you are the most uniformed poster out there. in Baseball there are 67 rounds and a chance to start earning money, again the higher you get drafted in the 1st 10 rounds you get a guaranteed signing bonus, then if you get more money the further you progress.

the ones in the 1st 5 rounds are/sure to sign multi million dollar contracts.

in the NBA only 1st rounders are guaranteed a contract after that the next 32 have to hope they make the team and then its usually for 6 low figures. those that don't make the team its off to Europe or the D-League and now the G-League where they will be lucky to makes 35,000 dollars, a year.

don't make it sound like all 64 picks are going to be signed to multi million multi year contracts. only the 1st round picks are guaranteed anything. of which there are only 32 players picked.

 

[Silent Banjo]

you are the most uniformed poster out there. in Baseball there are 67 rounds and a chance to start earning money, again the higher you get drafted in the 1st 10 rounds you get a guaranteed signing bonus, then if you get more money the further you progress.

the ones in the 1st 5 rounds are/sure to sign multi million dollar contracts.

in the NBA only 1st rounders are guaranteed a contract after that the next 32 have to hope they make the team and then its usually for 6 low figures. those that don't make the team its off to Europe or the D-League and now the G-League where they will be lucky to makes 35,000 dollars, a year.

don't make it sound like all 64 picks are going to be signed to multi million multi year contracts. only the 1st round picks are guaranteed anything. of which there are only 32 players picked.

What do you think you're spewing that I don't know? I know all of this. I had a cousin who was drafted and played baseball with Curtis Granderson at Illinois Chicago.

Yes, the sheer numbers of players being drafted, lack of distinction, unpredictability of results (Mattingly was drafted in the 19th round and Pizza in the 62nd) and fraction of earnings offered to players goes a long way to explain why baseball players haven't been rebelling to buck the agreement.

You really haven't done anything to explain your lame stance about basketball players. If you have the chance to earn millions but for a contrived agreement that is really restraint of trade, you'd be pissed.

Again, the discussion on this board doesn't center around baseball. Basketball is the pressing issue at hand and you're retreating like a Frenchman who forgot his Prozac.

Noticed you didn't address how the term student-athlete was conceived.

Now why don't go on and say other issues over why I'm uninformed, like introducing that baseball had "9" innings and that a walk entails "4" balls.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I'm talking about comparing revenue earned by each sport. I'm not saying one group is more deserving of a scholarship than the other, but if we are talking about actually paying beyond the scholarship, then we have to take into consideration how much the sport is earning.

SO Jimbo who should get more money at lets say............Kentucky? The football players or the basketball players? WOuld you be OK with UK's starting QB getting more $$$, than say an AD type of player?

Also, where do you draw the line? Is it each player earning what they are potentially worth? Earning off their livelihood? Or do you pay the 1st string QB the same as the 4th string QB?

SHould Kris Jenkins get a royalty check every time his shot is shown? What about Ryan Arcidiacono? I mean he made the pass. He's in the picture too. Maybe he should ask for the same royalties as Jenkins. After all, w/o his pass, there is no Jenkins shot.

Start this, and the next step is---------Where does it stop?

And what about at places like UConn? You gonna tell the womens team they get less, because.....................What?

Its not as easy as some think. I truly hope we never pay college athletes. It will be a huge, huge mistake.

 

[HawksJ]

Do you know how much G League players make? lol. I guarantee you almost everyone on this board makes more.

Why don’t they make more?

These players are so valuable, it seems like somebody should create their own pro league alternative, pay the players like $25,000 and reap the billions that fans would pay to see these dudes ball out.

Oh wait, the G League already exists, but the players suddenly are essentially unmarketbable without a university name across their chests. Why is that?

It’s because the school brands create the value, not the players.

 

[JimboBBN]

SO Jimbo who should get more money at lets say............Kentucky? The football players or the basketball players? WOuld you be OK with UK's starting QB getting more $$$, than say an AD type of player?

Also, where do you draw the line? Is it each player earning what they are potentially worth? Earning off their livelihood? Or do you pay the 1st string QB the same as the 4th string QB?

SHould Kris Jenkins get a royalty check every time his shot is shown? What about Ryan Arcidiacono? I mean he made the pass. He's in the picture too. Maybe he should ask for the same royalties as Jenkins. After all, w/o his pass, there is no Jenkins shot.

Start this, and the next step is---------Where does it stop?

And what about at places like UConn? You gonna tell the womens team they get less, because.....................What?

Its not as easy as some think. I truly hope we never pay college athletes. It will be a huge, huge mistake.

I mean exactly what I said. Whatever sport brings in the most money should benefit the most.

 

[Dattier]

Not yet but if they go back to allowing kids to go straight to the nba & more & more kids don’t make it.
Well, what’s next for people to complain about? That those kids should be able to now go to school. Only a matter of time.

I'd say the one making up things and attributing them to others in the future is in no danger of having their complaint well run dry.

 

[Dattier]

no you are the crock as these kids had the chance to go pro right out of HS and get paid, FB players don't get that option and you never if ever hear the FB players complaining and FB is the biggest money maker for the colleges. only these spoiled BB players are crying about having to go to college, each year only 64 players are drafted and only the 1st round picks are guaranteed to get a contract.

to many are over rating their importance to the game of BB, that is because of ESPN over hyping these players.

What college players are crying?
I think you're projecting.

 

[Dattier]

stop comparing Pro players to college players,

the thing is Colleges don't need these players period,

its so funny Baseball has been doing this for years and NONE of the players have said a word about how it is set up, you really think those Baseball players are that STUPID. they know a good deal when they see it. these kids are not total MORONS like you try to make them out to be.

stop trying to make something out of NOTHING.

Stop comparing pro and college players, says the guy comparing football and baseball players to basketball players. Eyeroll

 

[I am stupid]

NCAA D1 scholarship limits according to google

Men
Football 85
Basketball 13
Baseball 11.7
Cross country 12.6
Golf 4.5
gymnastics 6.3
Rifle 3.6(coed)
Soccer 9.9
Swimming 9.9
Tennis 4.5
Track 12.6

Women
Basketball 15 (?)
Cross country 18
Golf 6
Gymnastics 12
Soccer 14
Softball 12
Swimming 14
Tennis 8
Track and Field 18
Volleyball 12

Full list including other sports
http://www.scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits.html



So for UK, they have 466 players on the roster and are capped at 302.6 scholarships. Also seems odd how women have more scholarships available to them than the men.

Edit- Women have more in sports because men having 85 in football is not fair. So other male sports have to reduce their scholarships so the sport that brings in the most money can have scholarships. Makes sense.

 

[nitewing]

What do you think you're spewing that I don't know? I know all of this. I had a cousin who was drafted and played baseball with Curtis Granderson at Illinois Chicago.

Yes, the sheer numbers of players being drafted, lack of distinction, unpredictability of results (Mattingly was drafted in the 19th round and Pizza in the 62nd) and fraction of earnings offered to players goes a long way to explain why baseball players haven't been rebelling to buck the agreement.

You really haven't done anything to explain your lame stance about basketball players. If you have the chance to earn millions but for a contrived agreement that is really restraint of trade, you'd be pissed.

Again, the discussion on this board doesn't center around baseball. Basketball is the pressing issue at hand and you're retreating like a Frenchman who forgot his Prozac.

Noticed you didn't address how the term student-athlete was conceived.

Now why don't go on and say other issues over why I'm uninformed, like introducing that baseball had "9" innings and that a walk entails "4" balls.

you are indeed uninformed as there are only a handful at most that will get these multi million dollar contracts with these companies
Adidas
Under Armor
Nike
as all they want to get are the next LaBron, MJ and Kobe and nobody else.
this where Baseball = the NBA in pay, there are more baseball players making in excess of 8 million a year and some are making over 12 million dollars per year.

so rather than crying about a select few having to wait. concentrate on the other players that are content with how its working now.

the colleges don't need these 1 n done players as there are more than enough players, in the 26 4* players thru 115 4* players to keep the colleges that will always recruit talent happy.

 

[nitewing]

to take this a step further only 32 players in the NBA draft are going to sign a 3 year multi million dollar contract. lets say as a numbers crunching, there are 2 SR's per school each year, there are 350 DI schools. that makes 700 SR BB players every year for the NBA to pick from. that means there is a 1 in 21.875 chance of these players getting a contract, and that's before the 1 n done players and underclassmen that declared for the draft then the odds of getting a contract go up even more of getting that contract.

again only 32 will sign a contract barring any 2nd round picks that make the roster.

this does not included the Euro players that get drafted.

this occurs every year, and there are only 12 on the roster during the season. that = 384 open roster spots if you have a full roster turnover.

 

[Silent Banjo]

Sounds like you had a restless night thinking about your next inarticulate post. In fact, you have been overthinking the issue so intensely that it's almost like you're not thinking at all. Whatever the number and riches awaiting these players, they should be entitled to enter the market upon HS graduation and if they elect to go to college they should earn a fair return for their labor rather than work to secure the riches of other parties and institutions. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

 

[nitewing]

Sounds like you had a restless night thinking about your next inarticulate post. In fact, you have been overthinking the issue so intensely that it's almost like you're not thinking at all. Whatever the number and riches awaiting these players, they should be entitled to enter the market upon HS graduation and if they elect to go to college they should earn a fair return for their labor rather than work to secure the riches of other parties and institutions. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

because I don't believe they should get paid while they are in college. if they want to get paid let them go to the Euro league or now the G-League,

 

[Silent Banjo]

because I don't believe they should get paid while they are in college. if they want to get paid let them go to the Euro league or now the G-League,

So they should just labor to enrich other's pro bono? What is your hangup about working while in college? Students do it all the time by delivering pizza serving as clerks etc. Still waiting for you to take a stab at the the term student-athlete originally meant and why it was created.

 

[nitewing]

So they should just labor to enrich other's pro bono? What is your hangup about working while in college? Students do it all the time by delivering pizza serving as clerks etc. Still waiting for you to take a stab at the the term student-athlete originally meant and why it was created.

you will never understand. you want to cater to the less than 1% group while pissing on the other 99+%.

like I said if they really want to get paid they can go over seas to get paid, and with the No 1 n done G-League they can earn a paycheck while proving they deserve a major league paycheck.

there are only a few that get a high level contract with a shoe company. which you feel every player gets. for that I only have pitty for you/

 

[Silent Banjo]

you will never understand. you want to cater to the less than 1% group while pissing on the other 99+%.

like I said if they really want to get paid they can go over seas to get paid, and with the No 1 n done G-League they can earn a paycheck while proving they deserve a major league paycheck.

there are only a few that get a high level contract with a shoe company. which you feel every player gets. for that I only have pitty for you/

LOL, you really think that 99% of college players don't want to get paid? Can you crunch some numbers and provide quotes to back that up?

 

[Dattier]

you are indeed uninformed as there are only a handful at most that will get these multi million dollar contracts with these companies
Adidas
Under Armor
Nike
as all they want to get are the next LaBron, MJ and Kobe and nobody else.
this where Baseball = the NBA in pay, there are more baseball players making in excess of 8 million a year and some are making over 12 million dollars per year.

so rather than crying about a select few having to wait. concentrate on the other players that are content with how its working now.

the colleges don't need these 1 n done players as there are more than enough players, in the 26 4* players thru 115 4* players to keep the colleges that will always recruit talent happy.

There are more baseball players. Period.

Arguing against something by pointing at peripheral issues is the tactic of someone who has already lost the argument. Others' contentedness does not mean criticism is invalid.

 

[nitewing]

There are more baseball players. Period.

Arguing against something by pointing at peripheral issues is the tactic of someone who has already lost the argument. Others' contentedness does not mean criticism is invalid.

just like their are more BB players to even consider paying. there is only 130 D1 Baseball teams vs 350 D1 BB teams,

 

[Silent Banjo]

just like their are more BB players to even consider paying. there is only 130 D1 Baseball teams vs 350 D1 BB teams,

How much revenue do baseball players generate compared to football or basketball players?

 

[nitewing]

How much revenue do baseball players generate compared to football or basketball players?

in college or the pro's as most Baseball stadiums are 3 time the size of any BB arena. the Baseball stadiums as a rule hold north of 45,000 fans and the price of tickets are north of $45 per ticket and that's just for the cheap seats. at the MLB level the minors start out at $10 per ticket and the class A hold between 7500 and 8,000. the size and price of tickets go up with each class. as do the size of the stadium.

right now the University of Florida is spending over 50 million on a new stadium that will hold 10,000 fans. that's bigger than most class A teams stadium.

 

[Silent Banjo]

in college or the pro's as most Baseball stadiums are 3 time the size of any BB arena. the Baseball stadiums as a rule hold north of 45,000 fans and the price of tickets are north of $45 per ticket and that's just for the cheap seats. at the MLB level the minors start out at $10 per ticket and the class A hold between 7500 and 8,000. the size and price of tickets go up with each class. as do the size of the stadium.

right now the University of Florida is spending over 50 million on a new stadium that will hold 10,000 fans. that's bigger than most class A teams stadium.

So fans of the Florida Gators typically spend $45 or more on a game? What's the typical attendance? How much actual revenue does the team generate? Providing a link to actual data would be appreciated. At University of Illinois Chicago, you can stop by and watch a game for free.

 

[nitewing]

So fans of the Florida Gators typically spend $45 or more on a game? What's the typical attendance? How much actual revenue does the team generate? Providing a link to actual data would be appreciated. At University of Illinois Chicago, you can stop by and watch a game for free.

since that will be a new stadium there is no data on how many will attend or the cost of tickets. but Baseball does generate revenue or there would be no need to spend that much on a new stadium now would they

 

[IUfanBorden]

I mean exactly what I said. Whatever sport brings in the most money should benefit the most.

How you gonna sell that to players who go to basketball powers? What is your explanation to a kid who's a 5*, who's getting less than the 3rd string QB?

 

[Silent Banjo]

since that will be a new stadium there is no data on how many will attend or the cost of tickets. but Baseball does generate revenue or there would be no need to spend that much on a new stadium now would they

You just gave figures for ticket costs and stadium sizes, but can't provide revenue data? Why am I not surprised. Actually, I suspect all this investment in the baseball program comes from money generated from football and basketball. That's usually how things work.

 

[JimboBBN]

How you gonna sell that to players who go to basketball powers? What is your explanation to a kid who's a 5*, who's getting less than the 3rd string QB?

He’s getting paid vs not getting paid. I don’t think he would be too upset.

 

[IUfanBorden]

He’s getting paid vs not getting paid. I don’t think he would be too upset.

Meh, IDK....5* kid gets $1,000 a month. 3rd string QB gets $2,500. I mean, maybe he wouldn't. But I would argue there'd be some animosity.

Personally I do not see the need to pay these kids. They are not being forced to go to school. They choose to. Then they get the best of the best. Facilities....meals....clothing apparel, team doctors. Plus numerous other amenities. Not to mention getting to showcase their talents on a ntional stage every night. If that's not for you--------fine. Don't go to school. Go overseas. Go to the G-league. I mean there are options.

BUT.............There is a reason kids don't go this route. One is the possibility of being exposed. Two, is well, the exact opposite: Not getting exposure. These kids know their best route to the NBA is playing CBB at a P5 program. Not in Turkey. Not for the FW Mad Ants. But at a Kentucky. At a Duke. They know this is the path, or the path of least resistance to the NBA. SO they go to school. Then bitch about it. Sorry, Jimbo. Can't have your cake and eat it to. There are other options. They just choose not to use them.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

BUT.............There is a reason kids don't go this route. One is the possibility of being exposed. Two, is well, the exact opposite: Not getting exposure. These kids know their best route to the NBA is playing CBB at a P5 program. Not in Turkey. Not for the FW Mad Ants. But at a Kentucky. At a Duke. They know this is the path, or the path of least resistance to the NBA. SO they go to school. Then bitch about it. Sorry, Jimbo. Can't have your cake and eat it to. There are other options. They just choose not to use them.

Ehh, I wouldn't call it the path of least resistance.

 

[Silent Banjo]

Meh, IDK....5* kid gets $1,000 a month. 3rd string QB gets $2,500. I mean, maybe he wouldn't. But I would argue there'd be some animosity.

Personally I do not see the need to pay these kids. They are not being forced to go to school. They choose to. Then they get the best of the best. Facilities....meals....clothing apparel, team doctors. Plus numerous other amenities. Not to mention getting to showcase their talents on a ntional stage every night. If that's not for you--------fine. Don't go to school. Go overseas. Go to the G-league. I mean there are options.

BUT.............There is a reason kids don't go this route. One is the possibility of being exposed. Two, is well, the exact opposite: Not getting exposure. These kids know their best route to the NBA is playing CBB at a P5 program. Not in Turkey. Not for the FW Mad Ants. But at a Kentucky. At a Duke. They know this is the path, or the path of least resistance to the NBA. SO they go to school. Then bitch about it. Sorry, Jimbo. Can't have your cake and eat it to. There are other options. They just choose not to use them.

I think you and Jimbo might really benefit from reading the book Indentured. After making the argument that players should be paid, it delves into the issue of how the money should be allocated and apportioned.

 

[KrazyKat]

Give the players two options:

1) Athletic scholarships like today to cover all tuition, living expenses, and books for their education + a living stipend for their 'work' and expenses covered for transportation and meals for games.

2) An equivalent salary for all the above but they do not get to attend classes and work toward a degree (many have no desire to do this anyway). They must pay their own housing and food costs as well as transportation to and from practices - unless they opt to live on campus with teammates...pay for own transportation to away games, through the university with the team...

I understand many enable the university to bring in a lot of money but it is the same when you work for an organization - the fruits of your labor don't always go directly into your pocket - i.e., IP stuff you may develop while working for a company is generally the company's IP, not yours...they might give you a nice bonus or a new, higher role, but revenue and profits belong to the organization...

Would the bench warmers have the same benefits as the starters/stars? Would all athletes in non-revenue generating sports have the same opportunity? They work just as hard at their sports and academics - and probably even more on the academics side than basketball and football players...

 

[IUfanBorden]

I think you and Jimbo might really benefit from reading the book Indentured. After making the argument that players should be paid, it delves into the issue of how the money should be allocated and apportioned.

No need. I don't think they should be paid. They don't have to go to school. They choose to. If they want paid, then go overseas..Go to the G-league. The amenities these kids get are crazy. Medical care, clothing, team meals, team housing, private flights to games. So on and so on. and that's not mentioning the free schooling, room and board, etc, etc...Or the fact they are able to showcase their talents on a national stage,every game. If all of that is not enough------then don't got t school.

 

[Silent Banjo]

No need. I don't think they should be paid. They don't have to go to school. They choose to. If they want paid, then go overseas..Go to the G-league. The amenities these kids get are crazy. Medical care, clothing, team meals, team housing, private flights to games. So on and so on. and that's not mentioning the free schooling, room and board, etc, etc...Or the fact they are able to showcase their talents on a national stage,every game. If all of that is not enough------then don't got t school.

OK, although I think they most definitely should be paid given the gargantuan profits they generate, what you think is what you think. Even with all these "amenities" bestowed on players, they still get remunerated far short of what they bring in.

Being a college athlete isn't all that rosy. Scholarships are annually renewable and can be yanked for injury, underperformance, or just at the coach's whim. The free education is often a joke, as player's are often encouraged to take nonchallenging and in some cases BS courses to assure eligibility. Moreover, the demands of practice time a kid is expected to expend on either the field or the court makes even dedicated attention in the classroom a daunting task.

However, to the point you and Jimbo were discussing, the issue of how players should be paid is detailed in the finals chapters of Indentured.

 

[IUfanBorden]

OK, although I think they most definitely should be paid given the gargantuan profits they generate, what you think is what you think. Even with all these "amenities" bestowed on players, they still get remunerated far short of what they bring in.

Being a college athlete isn't all that rosy. Scholarships are annually renewable and can be yanked for injury, underperformance, or just at the coach's whim. The free education is often a joke, as player's are often encouraged to take nonchallenging and in some cases BS courses to assure eligibility. Moreover, the demands of practice time a kid is expected to expend on either the field or the court makes even dedicated attention in the classroom a daunting task.

However, to the point you and Jimbo were discussing, the issue of how players should be paid is detailed in the finals chapters of Indentured.

It certainly ain't all that bad either. Certainly not as bad as some try and make it. I played at a D2 school, and was just fine. The amenities we got were terrific. SO I can only imagine what it's like for kids at a P5 conference. Plus I've see the layouts the kids get for pregame meals, and post games.

They ain't starving brother.

Yes schollies can be yanked. But tell me, when is the last time you've seen/heard that to have happened?

Again, they do not have to go to college. They choose to. They choose to KNOWING what they are signing up for. It's not like they are lied to. They know what they are getting., So if that's not good, then don't go.

Start paying kids now.....And where does it stop? Starts at $1.500 per ssemester....Or what not. Then goes to $2500. Then more. Then the bidding starts. YOu think we have issues with cheating now? Strt paying these kids and see what happens.

ANd again--------They do not have to go to school. Its a choice. If what is offered isn't good enough........then go over seas. G-League. Its that simple.

 

[Silent Banjo]

OK, like I said, what you think is what you think. Not going to proselytize...at lest much. If you don't think you can risk an intellectual challenge to your ironclad belief, don't read Indentured.

The only thing to add though is that revoking scholarships isn't as rare as you seem to believe. Obviously, schools don't send out memos advertising that practice, but certainly you must be familiar with the term "being processed." Greyshirting and blueshirting are loopholes to support overrecruiting. Power schools especially like that policy of having in effect a taxi squad of guys to call up for depth beyond the 85 scholly limit.