No. We fired our head coach and actually lost fewer assistants than you did. Think about that one.Didn’t you lose all 3 and a head coach?
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No. We fired our head coach and actually lost fewer assistants than you did. Think about that one.Didn’t you lose all 3 and a head coach?
Losing bagmen to the ultimate bagman in Calipari is a little different IMO. But IU also hired a known bagman so don’t be throwing too much shade. If IU loses Yasir in a year or 2 it wasn’t because he was just so good at player development lmaoAll 3 assistants leave in one off season and it's no big deal?
How was the scramble?Losing bagmen to the ultimate bagman in Calipari is a little different IMO. But IU also hired a known bagman so don’t be throwing too much shade. If IU loses Yasir in a year or 2 it wasn’t because he was just so good at player development lmao
2 got offered jobs at a blue blood, and the third is getting offered a job at Gonzaga. It's not ideal, but we only fought to keep one. Assistants are replaceable, and it's not like we were losing them to Ohio State or Indiana.All 3 assistants leave in one off season and it's no big deal?
Do fans naive enough to think that their programs don't cheat still exist? Adorable.Maybe Illinois can hire Antigua's brother. Not sure what he's been up to since Orlando asked him to fall on the knife for him at USF. I mean, after Orlando's brother cheated on his own without his brother's knowledge.
Van Macon (St. John’s) interests me greatly too. A notch below Mennenga and Young though.2 got offered jobs at a blue blood, and the third is getting offered a job at Gonzaga. It's not ideal, but we only fought to keep one. Assistants are replaceable, and it's not like we were losing them to Ohio State or Indiana.
Losing OA hurts, but the other 2 guys were replaceable. We're replacing Chin with Chester Frazier who is the lead assistant coach at a surging VT program. We're likely to replace OA with Mennenga or Kiwani Young who are both stud recruiters with tons of connections, including to many of the players already on our team. We're not about to turn into NW over assistant coaches. We're going to have, at worst, a top 35 team, and if Kofi returns and another domino falls, we'll be top 5.
Tis a flesh wound.
I would actually be surprised if Painter cheated TBH. I don’t think that’s being naive either, he just doesn’t get involved in those type of recruitments often. Our last 2 commits were guys that Purdue was the only high major offer even.Do fans naive enough to think that their programs don't cheat still exist? Adorable.
Every major program plays in the gray to an extent. You're just not as big of a spender as UK.I would actually be surprised if Painter cheated TBH. I don’t think that’s being naive either, he just doesn’t get involved in those type of recruitments often. Our last 2 commits were guys that Purdue was the only high major offer even.
Liddell? He is very doubtful to even transfer. He is isnt happy with his situation, but he likely isnt going anywhere. It was the IU Rivals guy that said he expected Franklin to go to Illinois.Been a little MIA lately.
Will losing these assistants impact Illinois' status of "clear leader" for Armaan and Liddell? I'll hang up and listen!
I love the words that are being put in our mouths. No one said Franklin was going to Illinois, and no one said Liddell was going to Illinois.Liddell? He is very doubtful to even transfer. He is isnt happy with his situation, but he likely isnt going anywhere. It was the IU Rivals guy that said he expected Franklin to go to Illinois.
Pretty much what @Jaycg15 said. He doesn't Pitino cheat obviously, but he probably has dipped his toe across the line every once in awhile.I would actually be surprised if Painter cheated TBH. I don’t think that’s being naive either, he just doesn’t get involved in those type of recruitments often. Our last 2 commits were guys that Purdue was the only high major offer even.
Illinois is a sexy brand?I think every school has some aspect that cheats a little. The difference to me is level of coach/AD involvement. I don’t think Painter cheats (if he does,he sucks at it) any more than I thought Beilein did.
Now, does Purdue have “boosters” who may grease the wheel without coaches knowing about it? I’d be surprised if it doesn’t and I don’t know how you could fully enforce it.
Purdue just isn’t a sexy brand so I don’t think those shoe company $ make their way to Purdue recruits.
Not sure of his name but I've seen some idiotic stuff posted by him. The Illinois 247 board was pretty optimistic about Franklin. Either way these guys have as much information as people want to give them. They always give themselves an out when things aren't what they were told and a lot of people eat that shit up. Exhibit A is @gowolverines8 posting every, Michigan's in good shape with such and such.Liddell? He is very doubtful to even transfer. He is isnt happy with his situation, but he likely isnt going anywhere. It was the IU Rivals guy that said he expected Franklin to go to Illinois.
The 247 board thought we led at one point, but Piper was consistent in his messaging that nothing was final. Our assistants consistently overestimated their standing in recruitments and fed that information downwards.Not sure of his name but I've seen some idiotic stuff posted by him. The Illinois 247 board was pretty optimistic about Franklin. Either way these guys have as much information as people want to give them. They always give themselves an out when things aren't what they were told and a lot of people eat that shit up. Exhibit A is @gowolverines8 posting every, Michigan's in good shape with such and such.
The difference is some guys look the other way and some guys stick their nose in it. You literally cannot compete in the AAU recruiting scene without skirting the NCAA's rulebook. You can spend money without breaking rules too, but most fans would call it dirty because the end is still the same.I think every school has some aspect that cheats a little. The difference to me is level of coach/AD involvement. I don’t think Painter cheats (if he does,he sucks at it) any more than I thought Beilein did.
Now, does Purdue have “boosters” who may grease the wheel without coaches knowing about it? I’d be surprised if it doesn’t and I don’t know how you could fully enforce it.
Purdue just isn’t a sexy brand so I don’t think those shoe company $ make their way to Purdue recruits.
Yes 😍Wasn’t he the dude that bumped Eric Gordon at midcourt in Champaign?
Happens at a lot of places.The 247 board thought we led at one point, but Piper was consistent in his messaging that nothing was final. Our assistants consistently overestimated their standing in recruitments and fed that information downwards.
Yup the 2OT game. Gordon had 19pts to Frazier's 5.Wasn’t he the dude that bumped Eric Gordon at midcourt in Champaign?
Yup the 2OT game. Gordon had 19pts to Frazier's 5.
I think Pruitt missed a ton of FTs in the "chest bump" game which cost us the game.Shaun Pruitt and Demetri McCamey come to mind too from that team.
Wasn't that a normal thing with him?I think Pruitt missed a ton of FTs in the "chest bump" game which cost us the game.
He didn’t help the situation, especially with chin. But we don’t REALLY care about Chin. Kentucky is why they left. And the 3rd assistant seems to be getting pushed out the door. He is a great Xs and Os guy. But nobody likes him. Nobody.
I remembered Pruitt pretty well remembered the name McCamey but didn't remember his play that game.Shaun Pruitt and Demetri McCamey come to mind too from that team.
Pretty much why we let him go. It became apparent at the end of the Adam Miller saga that MIF will never be anything other than a pain in the ass. Chin was a former coach of the MIF, and he and Irvin got into it at the end. Some of those guys just will never be happy.Many Illini fans seemed to care though and it is puzzling. I feel like his value as a coach expired with Ayo and Miller. He's never going to have that kind of relationship with any other Mac Irvin/Morgan Park players moving forward.
Liddell? He is very doubtful to even transfer. He is isnt happy with his situation, but he likely isnt going anywhere. It was the IU Rivals guy that said he expected Franklin to go to Illinois.
I dont know. I'd ask him but that would be tampering. And there are Iowa fans here that would turn me in.So Liddell is unhappy with his situation at Ohio State and has the option to transfer and play anywhere without penalty but will likely choose to stay at the place that he is unhappy at?
Why wouldn't he leave if he's unhappy with his situation?
You might as talk to him. @hawkit3113 has already screenshot this entire conversation and turned it into the NCAA. #EnjoyTheDeathPenaltyI dont know. I'd ask him but that would be tampering. And there are Iowa fans here that would turn me in.
I always figured @hawkit3113 was a narc. For shameYou might as talk to him. @hawkit3113 has already screenshot this entire conversation and turned it into the NCAA. #EnjoyTheDeathPenalty
You're completely missing the mark. He loves OSU, and he loves Holtmann. He hates that the roster is forcing him to play out of position, and he hates that is harming his professional prospects.So Liddell is unhappy with his situation at Ohio State and has the option to transfer and play anywhere without penalty but will likely choose to stay at the place that he is unhappy at?
Why wouldn't he leave if he's unhappy with his situation?
You're completely missing the mark. He loves OSU, and he loves Holtmann. He hates that the roster is forcing him to play out of position, and he hates that is harming his professional prospects.
Yeah if he had legit pro potential OSU and Holtmann would be foolish not to use him that way.Then he should probably transfer somewhere that will allow him to play where he wants. He’s too short to play center and don’t believe he has guard skills. I would guess the NBA feedback he’ll receive is that Osu is playing him in the only position he can play professionally or at least in the NBA.
The kid seems to be given a ton of freedom offensively at OSU. Hell I thought there were some games late in the year where I would've taken the ball out of his hands because he was trying to do far too much.Then he should probably transfer somewhere that will allow him to play where he wants. He’s too short to play center and don’t believe he has guard skills. I would guess the NBA feedback he’ll receive is that Osu is playing him in the only position he can play professionally or at least in the NBA.
Lol what? No one in the NBA is saying that playing the center is his opportunity to make it in the NBA.Then he should probably transfer somewhere that will allow him to play where he wants. He’s too short to play center and don’t believe he has guard skills. I would guess the NBA feedback he’ll receive is that Osu is playing him in the only position he can play professionally or at least in the NBA.
Their roster didn’t permit it. He didn’t play that role with Wesson there.Yeah if he had legit pro potential OSU and Holtmann would be foolish not to use him that way.
Nope...which is why you hired known cheaters.Illinois is a sexy brand?