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*****Official B1G In Season Thread*****

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It’s personal preference, I don’t think you’re wrong for picking Harbaugh but I also think it’s silly to shit on the Tucker pick. Michigan was borderline top 25, projected with 7.5-8.5 wins headed into the year and went 11-1. MSU was projected the worst team in our division and one of the worst in conference and we went 10-2. Both are really impressive.

@CardinalBoiler put it well though, it’s about who exceeded expectations the most not who won the most. If we are using basic math, Tucker outperformed his preseason win total expectations by the most and that’s why he won it.

All I did was call it interesting.

You’re completely overlooking performance over expectations for Michigan. Can you imagine the shit I would’ve gotten if I had predicted Michigan to the college football playoffs 3 months ago?
 
The fact is Harbaugh took an unranked Michigan team to #2 or 3 in the country right now and is a win over Iowa away from a CFP playoff appearance. That’s mightily impressive.
Yet Michigan’s recruiting classes were never outside of the top 25. Seems like his past failings had led them to being unranked, not them having a lack of talent.
 
All I did was call it interesting.

You’re completely overlooking performance over expectations for Michigan. Can you imagine the shit I would’ve gotten if I had predicted Michigan to the college football playoffs 3 months ago?
I’m not. Harbaugh wins it most years. It’s just that most years the team projected to finish last doesn’t go 10-2.
 
The fact is Harbaugh took an unranked Michigan team to #2 or 3 in the country right now and is a win over Iowa away from a CFP playoff appearance. That’s mightily impressive.
I don’t think anyone is denigrating the job he did, but the expectations he overcame were due to his own failings. MSU was thought to be bad for much different reasons. They weren’t overcoming how to make a bunch of 4 and 5 stars work.
 
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I’ve always thought it strange that some people think that NCAA COTY can’t be from the team that was ranked highly in the preseason. That coach built that highly ranked team. Even more credit should go to him when they follow that up with a great season.
 
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I don’t think anyone is denigrating the job he did, but the expectations he overcame were due to his own failings. MSU was thought to be bad for much different reasons. They weren’t overcoming how to make a bunch of 4 and 5 stars work.

Michigan has 3 total 5 stars. We aren’t OSU. Hugely impressive coaching job for Harbaugh to win the division over Ohio State.
 
I’ve always thought it strange that some people think that NCAA COTY can’t be from the team that was ranked highly in the preseason. That coach built that highly ranked team. Even more credit should go to him when they follow that up with a great season.

I agree
 
Now you’re trolling
Pointing out Michigan being sub top 25 with consistent top 25 and better classes is trolling?

I know for a fact if MSU made the Final Four this year and I started talking about how we were unranked, you would respond with something very similar. It’s not like Izzo or Harbaugh has the usually caliber of players for typical unranked teams.
 
I’ve always thought it strange that some people think that NCAA COTY can’t be from the team that was ranked highly in the preseason. That coach built that highly ranked team. Even more credit should go to him when they follow that up with a great season.
I agree, but given the way voters usually vote on it (coach that overcame their expectations most), Tucker should’ve won. Harbaugh coached the best team. Tucker lifted his team a greater amount.
 
Pointing out Michigan being sub top 25 with consistent top 25 and better classes is trolling?

I know for a fact if MSU made the Final Four this year and I started talking about how we were unranked, you would respond with something very similar. It’s not like Izzo or Harbaugh has the usually caliber of players for typical unranked teams.

If MSU won the conference and made the final four he’d be deserving of coach of the year, even if a team that finishes 4th in the conference also exceeded expectations.
 
If MSU won the conference and made the final four he’d be deserving of coach of the year, even if a team that finishes 4th in the conference also exceeded expectations.
As an MSU fan I disagree. If we win the conference but Minny or Penn State who were supposed to be awful ends up top 15, I think their coaches would deserve it.
 
Davis was mocked 2nd round in ESPN’s, which may be too low. Especially if he can hit from 3 at a high clip

The name change from Johnathan is paying off
I feel like his handle is way too loose and his shooting is streaky but its a long season. Selfishly I want him around as long as possible but sending an athletic kid to the league early can't hurt in recruiting.
 
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I’ve always thought it strange that some people think that NCAA COTY can’t be from the team that was ranked highly in the preseason. That coach built that highly ranked team. Even more credit should go to him when they follow that up with a great season.
They usually don’t give MVP to the best player in the NBA either, most of these awards are narrative based
 
I feel like his handle is way too loose and his shooting is streaky but its a long season. Selfishly I want him around as long as possible but sending an athletic kid to the league early can't hurt in recruiting.
It’s loose for a lead ball handler, and even then it’s about the rate it’s improved.

NBA scouts will look at that as a sign he will work hard to get better in the league as well.

It’s why a guy like Murray is also rising on Mocks as well
 
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As an MSU fan I disagree. If we win the conference but Minny or Penn State who were supposed to be awful ends up top 15, I think their coaches would deserve it.

Lol you’re full of shit. If Izzo took an unranked team to a conference title and final four should win conference COTY.
 
Funny----Saw where KP has the IU/SU score as 74-73... 🤣 🤣 ..

Interesting game for us....I think we are better, Cuse is down. But that damn zone, and the Dome. At least we have two players(starters) who have played in the Carrier Dome, and had good shooting games. Stewart was 8-14, 1-1 for 23 points in his only game there....Johnson did have a 6-11, 3-5 from three, for 17----I won't mention the other two games..
 
Is Ivey on pace for 1st team? Asking for all of us.
Probably not at this point in the year. He had a bad game or two early on, but otherwise he really hasn't forced too much against some of these overmatched opponents.

On the other hand, he was fantastic against UNC and Nova, especially distributing the ball in transition. It's really what gives this team another gear and makes us dangerous.
 
I don’t disagree the Few was also deserving. But the comparisons aren’t remotely similar. Again, Gonzaga was expected to be elite and was elite. Harbaugh took an unranked Michigan team to probably the CFP playoffs.

Harbaugh is closer to Tucker’s situation than he is to Few’s situation.
Harbaugh was unranked in the preseason because he underperformed last year. Should he be rewarded for that?
 
Harbaugh was unranked in the preseason because he underperformed last year. Should he be rewarded for that?

I think a coach winning the conference with preseason 20:1 odds is deserving of accolades and coach of the year.

I think a coach taking a team from unranked to the CFB playoffs is deserving of the praise.
 
This is gonna be ugly....10 turnovers already....Yikes. SU shooting 70%...Double yikes....Given 29 ppints in 12 minutes....Eeek.
 
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