My top teams pre season edited for the date and will change - * Edit 6/24/23

[ThePhog08]

ALL PPG/APG/RPG are based on Bart Trovik projections for next year. Lineups are based on my guesses

#1 Kansas

7'1 Hunter Dickinson 18.8 PPG 9 RPG
6'7 KJ Adams 11 PPG 4.8 RPG
6'6 Kevin McCullar 10 PPG 6 RPG
6'3 Arterio Morris 7.8 PPG 2 APG
6'1 Dejuan Harris 13.2 PPG 5 APG

#2 Michigan state

6'11 Xavier Booker 7.7 PPG 5.7 RPG
6.8 Malik Hall 9.4 PPG 4.9 RPG
6'4 Jaden Akins 10.3 PPG 3.8 RPG
6'4 AJ Hoggard 13.3 PPG 5.9 APG
6'1 Tyson Walker 15 PPG 3.2 APG

#3 Purdue

7'4 Zach Edey 20 PPG 11.1 RPG
6'6 Mason Gillis 5 PPG 3.6 RPG
6'4 Fletcher Loyer 13.5 PPG 2.7 APG
6'0 Braden Smith 10.3 PPG 3.8 APG
6'1 Lance Jones 4.4 PPG 1.7 APG

#4 Duke

6'11 Kyle Filipowski 17 PPG 9 RPG
6'8 Mark Mitchell 10 PPG 5.3 RPG
6'5 Tyrese Proctor 11.7 PPG 3.1 APG
6'2 Jared McCain 7. PPG 2.1 APG
6'2 Jeremy Roach 14 PPG 3.2 APG

#5 FAU

7'1 Vlad Golden 8.2 PPG 6.6 RPG
6'8 Giancarlo Rosado 5.5 PPG 3.1 RPG
6'4 Johnell Davis 14.8 PPG 6.2 RPG
6'2 Alijah Martin 16 PPG 5.1 RPG
6'2 Nick Boyd 10 PPG 3.2 APG

#6 Tennessee (annual overrate Tennessee ranking)

6'11 Jonas Aidoo 6.1 PPG 5.8 RPG
6'6 Josiah Jordan-James 10 PPG 5.2 RPG
6'6 Chris Ledlum 10.8 PPG 5.6 RPG
6'3 Santiago Vescovi 14 PPG 2.6 APG
5'8 Zakai Zeigler 11.8 PPG 4.5 APG

#7 Marquette

6'9 Oso Ighodaro 13.6 PPG 6.8 RPG
6'7 David Joplin 10.5 PPG 5.1 RPG
6'4 Kam Jones 11.5 PPG 3.6 RPG
6'2 Stevie Mitchell 8.3 PPG 3.4 RPG
6'3 Tyler Kolek 14.6 PPG 5.7 APG

#8 Houston

6'8 Javier Francis 6.9 PPG 6.4 RPG
6'7 Jwan Roberts 9.3 PPG 7.1 RPG
6'5 Terrance Arceneaux 7.7 PPG 4.5 RPG
6'1 LJ Cryer 14.6 PPG 2.9 APG
6'1 Jamal Shead 13 PPG 4.4 APG

#9 Villanova

6'8 Eric Dixon 17.3 PPG 7.6 RPG
6.8 Hakim Hart 11 PPG 4.4 RPG
6'7 Tyler Burton 8.1 PPG 5.3 RPG
6'5 TJ Bamba 12.6 PPG 2.9 RPG
6'4 Justin Moore 14.5 PPG 3.6 APG


#10 Creighton

7'1 Ryan Kalkbrenner 15.7 PPG 7 RPG
6'8 Mason Miller 7.1 PPG 5.2 RPG
6'7 Baylor Sheierman 14.4 PPG 7.2 RPG
6'4 Trey Alexander 14.8 PPG 2.7 APG
6'1 Steven Ashworth 12.1 PPG 3.7 APG

#11 Texas

6'9 Dylan Disu 11.5 PPG 6.1 RPG
6'8 Dillon Mitchell 10 PPG 6.6 RPG
6'5 Brock Cunningham 6.2 PPG 5.3 RPG
6'0 Tyrese Hunter 15.8 PPG 2.3 APG
5'10 Max Abmas 15.1 PPG 2.2 APG

#12 Arkansas

6'10 Trevon Brazile 10.5 PPG 6.3 RPG
6'5 Khalif Battle 15.2 PPG 3.2 RPG ( Temple T)
6'5 Tramon Mark 9. PPG 4.2 RPG ( Houston T)
6'4 Devo Davis 13.2 PPG 2.2 APG
6'3 El Ellis 7.7 PPG 3.1 APG ( Louisville T)

#13 Miami

6'7 Norchad Omier 16.9 PPG 9.7 RPG
6'7 Matthew Cleveland 10.6 PPG 9.7 RPG (florida state T)
6'5 Wooga Poplar 9.5 PPG 4 RPG
6'2 Bensley Joseph 7.2 PPG 2.1 APG
6'0 Nijel Pack 15.1 PPG 2.1 APG

#14 Arizona

7'0 Oumar Ballo 16.2 PPG 8.6 RPG
6'7 Kashad Johnson 6.1 PPG 4.5 RPG (SDST T)
6'5 Pelle Larsson 10.3 PPG 2.2 APG
6'4 Caleb Love 14.5 PPG 3.7 APG (UNC T)
6'3 Jaden Bradley 9 PPG 3.3 APG ( Alabama T)

#15 UNC

6'11 Armando Bacot 17 PPG 9.4 RPG
6'7 Harrison Ingram 10.4 PPG 6 RPG (Stanford t)
6'5 Cormac Ryan 9.3 PPG 3.5 APG ( Notre Dame t)
6'0 RJ Davis 16 PPG 3.5 APG
6'1 Elliott Cadeau 6.4 PPG 2.5 APG

#16 San Diego State

6'9 Jaeden Ledee 9.7 PPG 7.1 RPG
6'6 Micah Parris 8.5 PPG 5.9 RPG
6'5 Reese Dixon-Waters 10.6 PPG 3.8 RPG
6'2 Lamont Butler 11.7 PPG 3'9 APG
5'10 Darrion Trammell 14.5 PPG 3.4 APG

#17 Gonzaga

6'9 Graham Ike 13.7 PPG 7.1 RPG
6'8 Anton Watson 15.8 PPG 7.5 RPG
6'7 Steele Venters 7.7 PPG 3.4 RPG ( Eastern Wash T)
6'2 Nolan Hickman 11.7 PPG 2.3 APG
6'0 Ryan Nembhard 13.9 PPG 3.7 APG ( Creighton T)

#18 Uconn

7'2 Donovan Clingan 8.3 PPG 8.7 RPG
6'8 Alex Caraban 10.2 PPG 4.6 RPG
6'6 Stephon Castle 9.4 PPG 4.4 RPG
6'3 Solomon Ball 11.5 PPG 3.5 RPG
6'5 Tristan Newton 14.6 PPG 3.7 APG

#19 Illinois
#20 Texas A&M
#21 St Marys
#22 Colorado
#23 Baylor
#24 Maryland
#25 Clemson
#26 TCU
#27 USC
#28 UCLA
#29 WVU
#30 Kentucky
#31 Auburn
#32 Xavier
#33 MSST
#34 Wisconsin

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Last year Kentucky started out as number 5. How did that work out?

This year at number 6 means that Kentucky will be in the NIT.

 

[bignish]

You're on crack if you think KU is preseason #1. I'd say Duke probably deserves it this year but I don't see how you stack up at all.

Proctor > Harris Jr.
Roach >> Arterio Morris
Mitchell > Mgbako
Filipowski >> KJ Adams
Dickinson >> Transfer 5 that Duke starts

Duke's got 5 top 20 freshmen too coming off of the bench plus a 6th year senior in Ryan Young. KU just has Timberlake and Udeh.

 

[ThePhog08]

You're on crack if you think KU is preseason #1. I'd say Duke probably deserves it this year but I don't see how you stack up at all.

Proctor > Harris Jr.
Roach >> Arterio Morris
Mitchell > Mgbako
Filipowski >> KJ Adams
Dickinson >> Transfer 5 that Duke starts

Duke's got 5 top 20 freshmen too coming off of the bench plus a 6th year senior in Ryan Young. KU just has Timberlake and Udeh.

Lay off the sauce

 

[bignish]

Lay off the sauce

You think a rising senior who's never averaged 10 points a game is going to be better than a rising soph who most mock drafts have as a lottery pick and lock 1st rounder next year?

Proctor locked up most of the guards he faced in the last month of the season. Dude is going to terrorize college basketball next year.

 

[AWilli6995]

I will say Proctor is a very nice player, was hoping he'd declare for the NBA. Dickinson has to stay out of foul trouble to be effective and he also had a lot of lackluster performances in his time at Michigan. IMO duke has the deeper and better team but KU has the better coach.

 

[ThePhog08]

You think a rising senior who's never averaged 10 points a game is going to be better than a rising soph who most mock drafts have as a lottery pick and lock 1st rounder next year?

Proctor locked up most of the guards he faced in the last month of the season. Dude is going to terrorize college basketball next year.

First off all Proctor will play the 2. And everyone knows Dejuan is better than Roach . Proctor has proven nothing. Mock drafts are about who they will be 5 years from now. You're banking on a 18 year old. whew

 

[toonces11]

Morris will not start over Timberlake IMO---not even close

 

[ThePhog08]

Morris will not start over Timberlake IMO---not even close

Timberlake put up numbers at TOWSON but slow down man. Morris was the #1 ranked PG in 2022 class a mcds aa. He played behind 5 year marcus carr. I am sure timberlake can hit some shots next year, but get real man.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Morris will not start over Timberlake IMO---not even close

I think both will start.

Harris
Morris
Timberlake
Mgbako
Dickinson

KJ
Jackson
Udeh
Marcus Adams

I might be more excited to watch Morris than anyone. He’s barely even scratched the surface of his potential.

 

[ExitFlagger]

You're on crack if you think KU is preseason #1. I'd say Duke probably deserves it this year but I don't see how you stack up at all.

Proctor > Harris Jr.
Roach >> Arterio Morris
Mitchell > Mgbako
Filipowski >> KJ Adams
Dickinson >> Transfer 5 that Duke starts

Duke's got 5 top 20 freshmen too coming off of the bench plus a 6th year senior in Ryan Young. KU just has Timberlake and Udeh.

Goodman and Torvik both have them at #1 already. Not saying they’re right or wrong. I don’t think there is a “right” answer. There are several in the mix and more decisions coming.

But it’s pretty obvious that you haven’t followed the players on the roster closely.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I look forward to the ensuing Duke-Kansas passing matches that will ensue this season.

Hopefully, it leads all of you including your programs to tumble, in the midst of your arguing, off a steep f***ing cliff to your impending doom, and the rest of the college sports world will hold a celebration of freedom at your wake.........

 

[KUhawks34]

Duke is legit but bignish or whatever doesn’t know what is about to hit him. This Kansas team will be elite next year

 

[MGO2022]

MSU #1

 

[hawkit3113]

Purdue, blahahahahahahaha. You HELMS losers stick together. Lol

 

[ExitFlagger]

Purdue, blahahahahahahaha. You HELMS losers stick together. Lol

Last 20 years:

KU - 2 national titles
Little 10 - 0

B1G-time disappointment 🤣

 

[dukedevilz]

I'm fine with this top 10. Doesn't bother me. I don't completely agree with it, but I don't think it's unreasonable.

I'd definitely have FAU in my top 10, as they return all 5 starters. Dusty May is back, as well. I suspect they'll be in the AP Preseason Top 10, and deservedly so.

I'd probably have Houston in there, too. Jamal Shead and J'Wan Roberts return - and they bring in two big-time scorers in LJ Cryer and Damian Dunn. KU will be the favorite to win the Big 12, but I'd say Houston is their biggest threat.

 

[dukedevilz]

And if Creighton gets Trey Alexander and Ryan Kalkbrenner back, and I believe they will, then they'll absolutely be in my top 10.

 

[ThePhog08]

I forgot about fau. Did they switch conferences? I think they play in a harder league this year. I think it’ll be harder with a bigger target on their back. I think this years top teams are much more loaded then last year. If UK gets Reeves and Oscar back then the champs classic may have 4 of the top 6 teams pre season in it (marq and UConn aside)

 

[ThePhog08]

@hawkit3113 iowa should transfer to conference USA . At least they could compete there was other azz teams

 

[KisteK]

This thread is cheeks

Kansas doesn't even have MM (yet)
Hilarious using draft projections
Udeh and Timberlake being the only KU bench help while listing Duke's 5* a5s sitters and some non-starting 6th year
⚰️⚰️

Kansas still needs a wing, imo

I don't have them #1, but I can see scenarios where they could be seen as the top team (McCullar returns..).

What I do feel confident about is Kansas has Bill back. While many of my fellow Jayhawk fans slobbed knob last cycle, I knew that team was ultimately limited. This roster already feels better, and they tell us we might not be done yet.

 

[ExitFlagger]

People always rank teams strictly based on roster, as if all coaches have equal impact.

But even just focusing on the roster, this KU team is going to be pretty loaded (assuming Mgbako or another solid player is added). I'd rank that roster ahead of the NC team and the team that was the prohibitive favorite in the Covid year.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Last 20 years:

KU - 2 national titles
Little 10 - 0

B1G-time disappointment 🤣

Well then let us win one. Not that hard.....

 

[IUfanBorden]

MSU folk gonna be disappointed with Booker. Highly overrated. Worked three of his games this year, and we was, "ok". Lot of raw talent, do doubt. But he's not an impact player as a frosh.

 

[mtsuhog85]

#1 Kansas

Hunter Dickinson
KJ Adams
Mackinzie Mbako
Arterio Morris
Dejuan Harris

#2 Michigan state

Xavier Booker
Malik Hall
Jaden Akins
AJ Hoggard
Tyson Walker

#3 Marquette

Stevie Mitchell
Oso Ighodaro
Olivier-Maxence Prosper
Kam Jones
Tyler Kolek

#4 Duke

Kyle Filipowski
Mark Mitchell
Tyrese Proctor
Jared McCain
Jeremy Roach

#5 Uconn

Donovon Clingan
Alex Caraban
Andre Jackson
Stephen Castle
Tristan Newton

#6 Kentucky

Oscar Tshiebwe
Aaron Bradshaw
Justin Edwards
Antonio Reeves
DJ Wagner

#7 Purdue

Zach Edey
Mason Gillis
Fletcher Loyer
Branden Smith
Lance Jones

#8 UCLA

Adem Bona
Jaylen Clark
Amari Bailey
Dylan Andrews
IDK

#9 Tennessee

Jonas Aidoo
Julian Phillips
Dalton Knecht
Santiago Vescovi
Zakai Zeigler

#10

Arkansas

Trevon Brazile
Jeremiah Davenport
Tramon Mark
Khalil Battle
El Ellis

Where would you have the Hogs if they pick up Holland and Nelson?

Lots of crystal balls for Holland to Hogs.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Here’s a good example of why you need to do a little research on a team’s roster before declaring a limited ceiling. Marcus Adams just dropped 44 at a high school AA game that included some of the top recruits in the country. Yet most are treating him like a non-factor.

 

[Kevin Bryan]

Here’s a good example of why you need to do a little research on a team’s roster before declaring a limited ceiling. Marcus Adams just dropped 44 at a high school AA game that included some of the top recruits in the country. Yet most are treating him like a non-factor.

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The final score was 157-154....lol. That's essentially like putting up 44 during shootaround.

 

[ExitFlagger]

The final score was 157-154....lol. That's essentially like putting up 44 during shootaround.

He’s been consistently killing it lately against pretty solid competition. The point isn’t that he’s the next Lebron, it’s that people like bignish don’t know much about the roster. He didn’t even list him as a bench player, yet he has a chance to play a lot of minutes.

 

[Kevin Bryan]

He’s been consistently killing it lately against pretty solid competition. The point isn’t that he’s the next Lebron, it’s that people like bignish don’t know much about the roster. He didn’t even list him as a bench player, yet he has a chance to play significant minutes and maybe even start.

I like the way he utilizes his size and seems to be fairly athletic.

 

[ThePhog08]

Original post now edited

 

[VulvHa]

Original post now edited

Xavier Booker is all potential and 0 production right now. He is very overrated and will be a non-factor this year.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

With UK ranked 30, I wonder how many teams would take it hard losing to them this season?

"we lost to a team ranked 30th preseason"

UK plays KU in the Champions Classic to kick off the season.

UK has nothing to lose, they're ranked 30th.


Early avatar bets? I don't want to do one with the op b/c he said he was leaving and I don't trust he'll stick around with the avatar. He might be smooth as butter. 1 week and we won't lose by more than 5 points.

Any takers? Incl. OP (can't flake out and not post).

 

[ThePhog08]

With UK ranked 30, I wonder how many teams would take it hard losing to them this season?

"we lost to a team ranked 30th preseason"

UK plays KU in the Champions Classic to kick off the season.

UK has nothing to lose, they're ranked 30th.


Early avatar bets? I don't want to do one with the op b/c he said he was leaving and I don't trust he'll stick around with the avatar. He might be smooth as butter. 1 week and we won't lose by more than 5 points.

Any takers? Incl. OP (can't flake out and not post).

As you can tell this is a changing list. So it could change and will pending who Cal fills out the roster with. Once rosters are set I will take a look at this bet.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

As you can tell this is a changing list. So it could change and will pending who Cal fills out the roster with. Once rosters are set I will take a look at this bet.

Where can they max on your list?

 

[ThePhog08]

Where can they max on your list?

If Big O and Reeves returned with 1 transfer to eat up minutes on the wing I would have had them top 5

Look at it this way. Take out tourney results which is always wonky af.

What would you rather have

13-14 Kentucky 8 seed 10 losses per tourney (parenthesis have rivals HS rank)

FR Dakari Johnson (9)

FR Julius Randle (2)

FR James Young (11)

FR Aaron Harrison (7)

FR Andrew Harrison (5)

Bench

SO Alex Poythress (8)
SO Willy Cauley-Stein (40)
FR Marcus Lee (19)

23-24 Kentucky

SO Ugonna Kingsley (37)

FR Aaron Bradshaw (2)

FR Edwards (3)

FR Robert Dillingham (15)

FR Dejuan Wagner (6)

Bench

FR Reed Shepherd (28)
SO Adou Theiro (3 star)

I didn't include Reeves as everyone says he will transfer

This is how I would rank these prospects based on hype and reviews of them at the time of HS senior

1. Julius Randle
2. Andrew Harrison
3. Aaron Bradshaw
4. Justin Edwards
5. Aaron Harrison
6. DJ Wagner
7. James Young
8. Robert Dillingham
9. Alex Poythress
10. Dakari Johnson
11. Marcus Lee
12. Reed Shepherd
13. WCS
14. Ugonna Kingsley
15. Adou Theiro

Subjective, but if experts weighed in I bet I am 90% correct on that list.

So a team with arguably better roster, better recruiting class, and better depth, lost 10 games and were a 8 seed.

You tell me, should UK be in the top 25 today or not?

 

[ExitFlagger]

It's hard to rank teams in the portal era. There are at least a dozen rosters that look pretty damn solid on paper.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I'm bored.

 

[ExitFlagger]

 

[IUfanBorden]

Xavier Booker is all potential and 0 production right now. He is very overrated and will be a non-factor this year.

Agree, 100%. Worked few of his HS games----Not impressed. MOF, I didnt even feel he was the best player in his team. I like the kid whos going to Purdue for football---I felt he was better. Booker seemed disinterested---and shied awaay from contact; he was "bullied" by Jeffersonville's 6'9" soph.

Maybe Izzo works his magic?

 

[winin11]

So Bama not in top 34? Good thing is we actually get to play a bunch of those top teams.
I know Nate Oats had all 3 assistant coaches leave the program for head coaching jobs, but has just finalized the replacements, and imo was a big upgrade. They will finish the year ranked.