The reality of his accomplishments at KU isn't so great. I take that back. He did the best he could with the talent and resources he had.
Lol, I know you keep saying that hoping for a rustle but it won't happen homie!!! Pitino ruined Pitino.
Only thing Knight and especially Calhoun have against Roy is they made those programs what they are traditionally. Neither program has been the same since. The looming cloud of that over K's program when he steps down is real too.
3>1 makes them not close at all
Personally I'd put Roy ahead of Dean. Fine with Roy being on the same tier as Calhoun but I wouldn't say he is better.
Agreed
You think Roy could've won a title with Steve Alford as his best player? AS crazy as this may sound, I think Knight gets overlooked for how good he really was. Unfortunately his behavior, IMO, has clouded just how good of a coach he was. Certainly he had his share of talent. No doubt. BUT....he won a lot of damn games with out the services of elite talent. To me the pinnacle of his coaching genius was that 1987 title. A line-up of Alford, Garrett, Thomas(RIP), Smart and Calloway. A bench of Magnus Pelkowski, Steve Eyl, Joe Hillman and TOny Freeman. I mean---------really? I mean who the **** wins a title with that group?
I won’t argue who was the better x’s and o’s coach, I’m just arguing who had better results. I would think that a ranking of the top coaches of all time should be mainly based on those instead of ability.
Sure but would you say his overall numbers and accomplishments were better than Roy’s? I wouldn’t. I think those are what’s most important when comparing coaches in an all time ranking kind of like what’s going on here. If others don’t think accomplishments are the most important thing to use when comparing coaches then that’s fine, I’ll still argue with you. Lol
It’s crazy that just 2.5 years ago, before UNC made the title game in 2016, people were ranking Roy like #5-8 in these off-season best current coaches polls but now we are arguing whether or not he should be ahead of Bob freaking Knight and Dean Smith all time.
I mean, he averaged like a 28-7 record while going to 4 Final Fours and losing 2 title games by 10 points combined. I’m not the kind of guy who thinks if KU scores 2 more baskets against Syracuse to win in 2003 it all of a sudden makes Roy a much better coach although it would have helped with his accomplishments. My overall point about Roy is that only a handful of coaches have had teams be as consistently good to elite as he has had for as long as he’s been doing it. You can’t deny that.
Fair enough. Although I did say I would argue with anybody here on what we are actually ranking. Winking
So in your opinion, Jay Wright is on par with Knight? Results are fine. But results don't always tell the story, i.e Kevin Ollie
Jay Wright doesn’t have near as much hardware as Bob Knight. Everything I’ve argued so far ITT should lead you to assume I’d have Knight way ahead of Wright. Not sure where you got confused.
Part of coaching isn't necessarily getting elite talent as much as it is getting talent that fits what you do. That's what Knight did. Roy is good, but it's not even close in terms of knowledge between Knight and Roy.
I'd say the UConn coach GA, who is the best women's coach in all of women's basketball.
He has one less title. And you afre seemingly putting a lot of stock in that. Plus he only has two less FF's. And I didn't say better--------I said "on par".
