Let's have a chat about corruption at "elite" universities

[bkingUK]

And congratulations Duke, you weren't implicated.

Yale, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Wake Forest, Stanford and Texas... Shame on you. Texas, you aren't elite anyways. But shame on you anyways.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/7025...s-of-fraud-in-wide-college-admissions-scandal

 

[xWVU2010x]

Everything has a price

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Money drives amateur athletics.

Too bad, because so many other schools could compete for championships if this weren't the case.

Think of how much more fun it is as a casual viewer to see so many different teams have a legitimate chance to win a title as opposed to a select few every year because "that's where the money is".

Sorry "blue bloods". Deal with it and stop cheating. You're welcome.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Money drives amateur athletics.

Too bad, because so many other schools could compete for championships if this weren't the case.

Think of how much more fun it is as a casual viewer to see so many different teams have a legitimate chance to win a title as opposed to a select few every year because "that's where the money is".

Sorry "blue bloods". Deal with it and stop cheating. You're welcome.

Looking at you Kansas duke and UNC

 

[Hank_]

I could see how people thought they could get away with it.

Honestly, who the hell has ever cared about the identity of the reserves for non-rev sports at academic schools?

Feds must have caught wind of someone being stupid with a payment and really dug in.

 

[CB3UK]

This isnt about cheating at sports. Seems like a lot of you havent understood what happened.

This is about wealthy folks bribing schools in order to get their kids admitted who couldn't get in on their own due to high entry standards. AKA dum-dums.

Some of it involved having coaches of lesser sports recruit those kids as athletes so they could be admitted under lower entry standards even though the kid in question had zero athletic ability.


Now why are schools allowed to lower their admission standards to admit athletes? For that answer, we will be needing our Duke and North Carolina posters to chime in.

 

[bkingUK]

"Singer's clients paid him anywhere between $200,000 and $6.5 million for this service," Lelling said. The alleged scheme, he noted, was uncovered after his office got a lead from someone who "was a target of an entirely separate investigation, who gave us a tip that this activity might be going on."

This is the price people are paying for the perception of elitism. Not for education but the appearance of education.

 

[hawkit3113]

UNC is trash

 

[dragonhawk1855]

UNCheats provided fake classes for athletes and general students, so there was no GPA needed. maybe that's why UNCheats didn't get named in this.

 

[TheDude1]

And congratulations Duke, you weren't implicated.

Yale, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Wake Forest, Stanford and Texas... Shame on you. Texas, you aren't elite anyways. But shame on you anyways.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/7025...s-of-fraud-in-wide-college-admissions-scandal

Give it time.

And yeah, this isn't really about sports. It's about being rich and elite and buying your way into school.

I haven't read much about this. But it is odd that you can bribe your way in by donating money, but you can't bribe your way in by giving money to someone else. I am sure there is more to it, but...

 

[Quavarius]

Paying for fake SAT scores? Wasn’t there a similar situation at Memphis with a basketball player? Wonder who paid for those test scores?

 

[Afamu]

And congratulations Duke, you weren't implicated.

Yale, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Wake Forest, Stanford and Texas... Shame on you. Texas, you aren't elite anyways. But shame on you anyways.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/7025...s-of-fraud-in-wide-college-admissions-scandal

And UK wasn’t even considered.

 

[Afamu]

Paying for fake SAT scores? Wasn’t there a similar situation at Memphis with a basketball player? Wonder who paid for those test scores?

Cal.

 

[Quavarius]

What's so funny, is other people just put their names on buildings and legally get the same thing.

 

[UNC71-00]

This isnt about cheating at sports. Seems like a lot of you havent understood what happened.

This is about wealthy folks bribing schools in order to get their kids admitted who couldn't get in on their own due to high entry standards. AKA dum-dums.

Some of it involved having coaches of lesser sports recruit those kids as athletes so they could be admitted under lower entry standards even though the kid in question had zero athletic ability.


Now why are schools allowed to lower their admission standards to admit athletes? For that answer, we will be needing our Duke and North Carolina posters to chime in.

What’s it like to be from a school with no standards?

 

[coryfly]

This isnt about cheating at sports. Seems like a lot of you havent understood what happened.

This is about wealthy folks bribing schools in order to get their kids admitted who couldn't get in on their own due to high entry standards. AKA dum-dums.

Some of it involved having coaches of lesser sports recruit those kids as athletes so they could be admitted under lower entry standards even though the kid in question had zero athletic ability.


Now why are schools allowed to lower their admission standards to admit athletes? For that answer, we will be needing our Duke and North Carolina posters to chime in.

Actually, UNC has way higher admittance standards than UK and maybe Duke as well. Being public is one aspect there though.

 

[Afamu]

What’s it like to be from a school with no standards?

Classic. One rogue professor cheated for 23 years. Was middle school your one and only graduation.

UNC fans making fun of anyone for academics. Priceless.

 

[Afamu]

Actually, UNC has way higher admittance standards than UK and maybe Duke as well. Being public is one aspect there though.

Share them if you are so sure.

 

[UNC71-00]

Classic. One rogue professor cheated for 23 years. Was middle school your one and only graduation.

UNC fans making fun of anyone for academics. Priceless.

Jesus, I have myself my own personal stalker. How cute.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Paying for fake SAT scores? Wasn’t there a similar situation at Memphis with a basketball player? Wonder who paid for those test scores?

WWW. He's the Don of this game.

 

[TheDude1]

Actually, UNC has way higher admittance standards than UK and maybe Duke as well. Being public is one aspect there though.

UNC maybe has higher admission standards than Duke? Not sure how you figure. Do you mean for athletes? For in-state students? In general?

 

[coryfly]

Actually, UNC has way higher admittance standards than UK and maybe Duke as well. Being public is one aspect there though.

UNC maybe has higher admission standards than Duke? Not sure how you figure. Do you mean for athletes? For in-state students? In general?

Basketball athletes. Maybe different standards rather than more stringent. Certainly not for regular students.

 

[TheDude1]

Basketball athletes. Maybe different standards rather than more stringent. Certainly not for regular students.

Ah. Gotcha.

 

[CB3UK]

What’s it like to be from a school with no standards?

Actually, UNC has way higher admittance standards than UK and maybe Duke as well. Being public is one aspect there though.

UNC trots players out there who couldn't get through 6th grade. Duke lowers their scoring standards for basketball players. They could probably get through 10th grade though, so they've got 1 up on UNC there.

Those two facts have zilch to do with UK admission standards.

 

[UNC71-00]

Duke accepts 21% of early decision applicants (early decision applicants make up 50% of the class of 2022)

Carolina doesn't have early decision. However UNC only accepted 14% of out of state applicants.

It is much easier to get into Carolina than Duke if you live in NC. If you are out of state, it is about the same.

 

[UNC71-00]

UNC trots players out there who couldn't get through 6th grade. Duke lowers their scoring standards for basketball players. They could probably get through 10th grade though, so they've got 1 up on UNC there.

Those two facts have zilch to do with UK admission standards.

Pretty much every player for Carolina was recruited by UK and Duke, and vice versa.

Why people want to talk about college athletes and academics is baffling.

 

[Afamu]

Basketball athletes. Maybe different standards rather than more stringent. Certainly not for regular students.

Still no proof. Only opinion.

 

[SpartanJD]

What's so funny, is other people just put their names on buildings and legally get the same thing.

I mean knowing that money buys access at elite universities is like saying water is wet

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Pretty much every player for Carolina was recruited by UK and Duke, and vice versa.

Why people want to talk about college athletes and academics is baffling.

eh.

 

[coryfly]

UNC trots players out there who couldn't get through 6th grade. Duke lowers their scoring standards for basketball players. They could probably get through 10th grade though, so they've got 1 up on UNC there.

Those two facts have zilch to do with UK admission standards.

Pretty much every player for Carolina was recruited by UK and Duke, and vice versa.

Why people want to talk about college athletes and academics is baffling.

Oh, I don’t care much. Just thought the UK fan talking about it was funny considering the different standards they have.

 

[bkingUK]

I mean knowing that money buys access at elite universities is like saying water is wet

No doubt. But then I question what it means to be elite if that’s the case. Perception of elite education is worth more than going to an elite university it appears. And if it’s just appearance, then elitism is an illusion. In which case, if you can buy your way to elitism, you’re kind of low class.

 

[SpartanJD]

No doubt. But then I question what it means to be elite if that’s the case. Perception of elite education is worth more than going to an elite university it appears. And if it’s just appearance, then elitism is an illusion. In which case, if you can buy your way to elitism, you’re kind of low class.

You know the old saying that money can’t buy class.

I’m sure if you ever talked to someone who went to Yale or Stanford they knew of rich ‘**** up’ kids that went there.

 

[coryfly]

No doubt. But then I question what it means to be elite if that’s the case. Perception of elite education is worth more than going to an elite university it appears. And if it’s just appearance, then elitism is an illusion. In which case, if you can buy your way to elitism, you’re kind of low class.

I know that at some prestigious universities it isn't any more difficult, and sometimes easier, than lesser colleges. I've heard people who go there say depending on the major they pretty much will pass you unless you just really screw it up.

 

[buckymel]

I almost took up an offer to play soccer at Yale.
Would still have had to play big $, which I couldn't afford.
Would be rather embarrassing now if I had gone that route.

 

[TheDude1]

I know that at some prestigious universities it isn't any more difficult, and sometimes easier, than lesser colleges. I've heard people who go there say depending on the major they pretty much will pass you unless you just really screw it up.

I don’t know that that is true. It almost seems counterintuitive. I imagine the average local community college prof wants to avoid failing kids at least as much as the average Harvard prof.

 

[coryfly]

I don’t know that that is true. It almost seems counterintuitive. I imagine the average local community college prof wants to avoid failing kids at least as much as the average Harvard prof.

Well, I know for certain majors at certain private universities some students have told me they get a great number of chances because of how expensive it is. Professors tend to be more lenient. One instance I know was from a guy who was an engineering major at a very expensive private school and eventually transferred to a much smaller school with a more challenging curriculum. That doesn't mean private schools aren't giving most students an awesome education. More college in general are doing this. I think when comparing schools it is generally more accurate to do it based on major though.

 

[Quavarius]

No doubt. But then I question what it means to be elite if that’s the case. Perception of elite education is worth more than going to an elite university it appears. And if it’s just appearance, then elitism is an illusion. In which case, if you can buy your way to elitism, you’re kind of low class.

Bingo! Agree 1000%

 

[SIhoosier26]

UNC is clearly the biggest joke in college athletics right now, and it ain't close.

Rigging classes for student athletes is bad enough, getting away with it is laughable at best. Congrats on all those fake wins though.

 

[viviajm]

And congratulations Duke, you weren't implicated.

Yale, USC, Georgetown, UCLA, Wake Forest, Stanford and Texas... Shame on you. Texas, you aren't elite anyways. But shame on you anyways.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/7025...s-of-fraud-in-wide-college-admissions-scandal

UT is a pretty elite University. This scandal is about academics and not sports.

 

[gocats5611]

I thought I was the one that was lost, but at least I feel better knowing I realized from the get go that this had nothing to do with sports when other people can't seem to grasp this. lol

I need to read some more about this, but it's not clear to me why any private university would have to explain itself as to why it admitted a specific student or not. Texas I get as it receives public funding, but why does Yale have to explain itself to anyone? There must be some issues related to quotas or something. This might knock the prestige of a degree from these institutions down a peg or two, but frankly I always assumed this was how it worked. You get into Harvard, Stanford, and Yale, and Brown because somebody's grandfather can write a bottomless check. News to me that this is apparently not SUPPOSED to be how it works.