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Just finished the game, GG S. Carolina fans, your dude was on fire and we just couldn't get over the hump. We had our chances. Just feel short.
Oh I still pop by from time to time. You just haven’t said anything compelling enough to prevent me to keep casually scrolling.
1st post in over a month, after an offseason of non-stop trash talk and chest-beating. 😂 🤣 😆😂
We have (had) every right to jump in. It isn’t the fan’s fault that the team hasn’t proven their star rankings.
I'm thinking Ned Beatty didn’t read the entire script before he agreed to do that role.
Either that, or Burt Reynolds hid that part from him.
Yikes.
Zero points for him today though. That’s not like him.
Today UK beat UT in Knoxville against the refs and UT.
Screw Tennessee.
Screw Tennessee.
I actually had never seen deliverance until about 2 days before Ned Beatty died. I joke about that scene but it was a really good movie.
I think UT fans are probably feeling a little like Beatty after that scene right about now RollLaugh
Also had 4 fouls and 5 turnovers. Still not sure how UK won without Wheeler and Wallace playing as bad as he did. +20 on the boards and UT being allergic to layups definitely helped.
Wheeler is a feast or famine guy. He makes a few good plays, but he gets beat on defense in half court sets and turns the ball over too much.
I don't believe UK wins today if Wheeler plays.
Yes, but he also brings a lot to the offense that he rarely gets any credit for though. His A/TO ratio is 3/1. Yeah, he has some dumb turnovers sometimes, but nobody drops dimes like him either. He's been one of the best assist guys in the nation for 3 years now. He's also a crafty scorer at the rim, money in mid range and with his floater, and is shooting nearly 40% from 3 this season. His absence showed today too, with 19 turnovers and sloppy ball handling by the other guards.
That's easy to say since they won, Bert. Wallace had 0 points, 6 assists, 5 turnovers, and 4 fouls. Granted, he's not 100%, but that's not generally a winning stat line. Reeves ran point the rest of the time and he had 4 turnovers too.
A lot of guys got beat off the dribble today. The difference, they missed some layups and other times the bigs were preventing them from shooting. UK usually has an enforcer inside. Not as much this year or last. When someone gets beaten, there's nothing inside preventing them from scoring. Wheeler's assignment is usually the point guard.
Because no one is enforcing the lane, this looks like its all Wheeler's fault when it isn't. This has been a defensive philosphy ever since Cal has been at UK. Oscar and crew delivered today.
He dribbles too much, penetrates too far in key situations and is a huge defensive liability. He also can't rebound. He's a backup pg at best.
Now, in games against uNC and Kansas, you can play him, but only if it’s a full court game. You are not going anywhere if Wheeler dominates time at point in a half court game. That’s how you get beat by teams like Saint Peters and South Carolina at home.
I didn't say he was perfect. I pointed out the things he is good at yet rarely ever gets credit for.
But it is wheelers fault. Every team UK has list to, abused Wheeler over and over. He's getting beat off the dribble constanrly, how is that not his fault?
If you have to have Anthony Davis defending the paint to clean up what your pg couldn’t stop, the problem is your pg.
Jeez, Villanova and Baylor won titles with centers that were 6'5", they didn’t need Anthony Davis to fix their pg's lack of defense.
It was really highlighted in the UCLA, Alabama and Gonzaga games.
Tyger Campbell went around Wheeler at will and don't even get me started on what Alabama did to him. He's no Tyler Ulis.
He’s good in a full court game, once the game goes to half court sets, he’s no good to you.
Last year, he shredded WKY, KU, uNC and UT (in Rupp), because those teams decided to run with UK.
Opposing coaches quickly figured out that Wheeler is no good in a half court game. Tennessee beat UK twice and Saint Peters frustrated Wheeler and rendered him useless.
It isn't his fault that Cal is clueless on how to run a half court offense. When nobody is doing shit to get open he has to do whatever he can to try and make something happen. He's only 1 player and can't make everything happen on his own.
Because the bigs are suppose to be the secondary defender. The whole idea is to make it difficult to get the shot and then for us to rebound. Oscar never played the pick and roll correctly. Oscar was the defensive liabilty. Oscar did better today.
100% agree, Wheeler is not a good fit for Cal's offense.
Cal has to have supreme length, athletesism, talent and an NBA lockout to win.
Wheeler doesn’t fit those descriptions (except the NBA lockout thing).
Yeah, I get that, but if your pf and C is constantly coming off their man to rotate over to stop straighline drives that your pg can't stop, you're screwed.
Wheeler can't properly defend his position, Wallace can.
Wheeler can't rebound, Wallace can.
Wheeler can't challenge at the rim, Cason can.
Wheeler can't dunk, Wallace can.
Wheeler can't beat his man off the bounce in a half court set, Cason can.
Wheeler is a future car salesman, Cason is a potential lottery pick.
Wheeler can't shoot, Walkace is a damn good shooter from all 3 levels
The one thing Wheeler can do, is assist, well, Cason had 5 assists in only 22 minutes today, on the road, against the #1 defense, while dealing with back spasms.
There's literally no argument for Wheeler to run point over Wallace.
Good post Scotty, however at end of day it’s about banners hanging from rafters. How many does Vols have ? I think the great Al McGuire said it best. Ky basketball just has it whatever IT is. They had it before you was relevant and they have it during your relevance and they’ll have it after your gone. Drops mike
It was Al McGuire.
"They had it before you, they had it during you, they'll have it when you're gone."
Yea that’s it! People want titles and part of having a strong history and tradition is winning titles and having those memories. Those people who scream history and tradition doesn’t matter simply don’t have any of that. They crack me up
I suppose you just don't understand it. Sports is all about the here and now. Y'all beat UT yesterday. That is here and now and should be celebrated, afterall, UT is UK's Super Bowl.
What you did in the 50's is irrelevant and interjecting it into every conversation is just weak and needy.Do you live in a box? Do you think CBB is the only sport played? Do you think winning a title in CBB is any different than CFB? How can you with a straight face proclaim that a fans whos programs dwarf UK's accomplishments don't know what it is like to win a title?
It all comes down to your insecurity. You need to feel special. Well, you're not special, none of us are. The only thing more stupid is a fan thinking they are special because their team succeed at a high level. We are all just fans and we didn't do anything. Obviously, you didn't understand it, but hopefully it is cleared up for you.
No LuLu, you don’t get it. You don’t get it because you have no past or tradition and it bothers you and it bothers you bad. That’s why you get so tore up about it when somebody mentions it. You make a long post about it and how it don’t matter. Nobody said that it does matter we are just proud of it. You always say “what you did in the 50’s don’t matter” but you forget we did it in the 60’s 70’s 80’s 90’s and so on. Hopefully this clears it up for you Pudding! Then you go off the rails acting like fans are saying they had something to do with their teams success and what not. I understand you’re upset that the great Barnes and the NWO Vols was out coached and beaten at home by Cal the recruiter with his team that you consider a bubble team but don’t let it ruin your weekend. You still have the here and now to tell us how Barnes beats Cal….oh wait!🤣I suppose you just don't understand it. Sports is all about the here and now. Y'all beat UT yesterday. That is here and now and should be celebrated, afterall, UT is UK's Super Bowl.
Do you live in a box? Do you think CBB is the only sport played? Do you think winning a title in CBB is any different than CFB? How can you with a straight face proclaim that a fans whos programs dwarf UK's accomplishments don't know what it is like to win a title?
It all comes down to your insecurity. You need to feel special. Well, you're not special, none of us are. The only thing more stupid is a fan thinking they are special because their team succeed at a high level. We are all just fans and we didn't do anything. Obviously, you didn't understand it, but hopefully it is cleared up for you.
It’s going to be hilarious if Kentucky fans pull a 180 after saying they were completely done with Calipari and wanting to pay $50+ million to get rid of him. 😆
Makes me think of the UNC fans who wanted to fire Hubert Davis before the ncaa tourney last season.
How does one define "the here and now"? No team is great if they beat a team that is at the top/near of every statistical category and they don't have the stats that come close. You're great for that one day and one day only. In order to be great you have to have consistency for a period of time. Being over 500 doesn't make you great, beating your rival the last 4 times doesn't make you great if you lose in the first round of the tournament. If you don't make any noise in the tournament a consistent basis, you're not great. History matters and it always will matter. The blue bloods had to start from somewhere, they just weren't tabbed great from the beginning, they just won more and won more big games, it's that simple.
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I don't think any fan was calling for Huberts job before the tournament, especially after they ruined k's celebration.
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Nah, there was a thread started by a UNC fan before that game about Hubert being fired.
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