John Higgins reffing Duke-KU Game

[Cat_Incognito]

Your thoughts are based becasue your team lost. Not evidence. Just emotions. You post calls missed by Higgins. Or bad calls. Well duh----------thats part of the game. And the thing is, some of these calls aren't even Higgins call; shot clock violation vs Wisconsin. But you see,. thats the ignorance of the casual fan. You don't understand protocol. You don't understand what officialis are responsible for certain calls. But hey, it has to be Higgins because we have sub .500 record in games he's worked. Yeah, great logic. What about the officials whom you have winning percentage's of nearly 80% when they work your games? Are they biased in favor of UK? Corrupt? Are they purposely giving calls to UK? I mean how else you explain some these records, with certain officials?

It's eaier to accept at alternate reasoning. No way was UNC better. It HAD to be Higgins. Craxy thing is, you guys seem to forget there are two other officials on the floor. SO what about those guys? Are they involved to?

See I can play this game too. UK's record in games officiated by Pat Adams is 45-16. Well shit, he has to be corrupt. Loves UK. I mean how do you explain that winning percentage? What about games called by Jim Burr? UK is 42-18 in games called by Burr. How in the hell? Has to be corrupt. And this one is easy: John Clougherty. UK is 108-41 in games he's called. Oh yeah, no doubt. John was getting rich off you guys. No wonder he retired. And his son loved you guys just as much. UK was perfect in games called by Tim; 10-0. Man the Clougherty's can thank BBN for that nice retirement. How else can you explain it? Has to be corruption, right? has to be.

Just a stupid assumption.

Honestly Borden, you think you are some super genius fan because you're a ref. Truth is, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. You don't have to be an official to spot shitty officiating. We all see it, all the time. Now, please don't respond with another long winded post. I didn't read the last 2 or 3, tbh.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

That’s a weak argument by saying it’s the same sport. You’re basically insinuating that because it happened in the NBA it must happen in the NCAA. But there’s no proof of that.

No, that's not what I said at all. I said it's the same sport, because, it is. If you'd read Donaghy's remarks, it's very easy to deduce how that could happen at the collegiate level. There are definite parallels, even if you're not intellectually able to spot them.

 

[schoonerwest]

No, that's not what I said at all. I said it's the same sport, because, it is. If you'd read Donaghy's remarks, it's very easy to deduce how that could happen at the collegiate level. There are definite parallels, even if you're not intellectually able to spot them.

You think you’re so clever don’t you?

 

[topps coach]

So there is a built in excuse if Duke loses. Duke could lose by 25 and now claim they were the better team and should of won but Higgins was reffing the game.

Kind of takes some of the excitement out of it, but I see why UK fans come up with these excuses before every game.

If we lose it will be because KU outplayed us.We are not Unc or Uk which never loses a game unless the refs screw us

 

[Cat_Incognito]

You think you’re so clever don’t you?

I'm smarter than you if you believe college officials are as squeaky clean as Borden would have you believe.

 

[schoonerwest]

I'm smarter than you if you believe college officials are as squeaky clean as Borden would have you believe.

I don’t really have an opinion of whether or not they are. I just haven’t seen any proof of it yet.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

I don’t really have an opinion of whether or not they are. I just haven’t seen any proof of it yet.

Then yes, I am smarter than you since you're defending someone else's [Borden] opinion.

 

[schoonerwest]

Then yes, I am smarter than you since you're defending someone else's [Borden] opinion.

You might be smarter but you also could be crazier.

Do you mind linking some proof? I would like to read about the allegations or whatever your proof is.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

"From my earliest involvement with Bavetta, I learned that he likes to keep games close, and that when a team gets down by double-digit points, he helps the players save face. He accomplishes this act of mercy by quietly, and frequently, blowing the whistle on the team that's having the better night. Team fouls suddenly become one-sided between the contestants, and the score begins to tighten up. That's the way Dick Bavetta referees a game — and everyone in the league knew it."

Impossible in NCAA basketball, because it's not NBA, and because 99.9% of NCAA refs have integrity.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

You might be smarter but you also could be crazier.

Do you mind linking some proof? I would like to read about the allegations or whatever your proof is.

Proof of an opinion? I linked proof that officials in the NBA were cheating, which you then dismissed because it was the NBA and not the NCAA. Which is absurd if you think about it. The NCAA is probably the most corrupt organization in sports. lol

 

[schoonerwest]

Proof of an opinion? I linked proof that officials in the NBA were cheating, which you then dismissed because it was the NBA and not the NCAA. Which is absurd if you think about it. The NCAA is probably the most corrupt organization in sports. lol

Fair enough!

I’ll let Borden take over from here. He’s the one that’s actually invested into this topic.

Rock Chalk!

 

[Cat_Incognito]

I was thinking, How is Denver going to win on the road in San Antonio? At the time, the Spurs were arguably the best team in the league. Bavetta answered my question before it was asked.

"Duncan will be on the bench with three fouls within the first five minutes of the game," he calmly stated.

Could never happen in the NCAA where the officials have integrity. Laughing

 

[Cat_Incognito]

Fair enough!

I’ll let Borden take over from here. He’s the one that’s actually invested into this topic.

Rock Chalk!

Good luck today!

 

[Cat_Incognito]

"Bavetta went on to inform me that it wasn't the first time the NBA assigned him to a game for a specific purpose. He cited examples, including the 1993 playoff series when he put New Jersey guard Drazen Petrovic on the bench with quick fouls to help Cleveland beat the Nets. He also spoke openly about the 2002 Los Angeles–Sacramento series and called himself the NBA's "go-to guy.""

You mean, like how Higgins has officiated several controversial UK tourney games?

 

[IUfanBorden]

Didn't expect you to understand. In other words DICKtective, there is no evidence of officials being corrupt at the NCAA level. None. Just assumptions made by people like you who cannot accept it when their teams lose.

 

[IUfanBorden]

"Bavetta went on to inform me that it wasn't the first time the NBA assigned him to a game for a specific purpose. He cited examples, including the 1993 playoff series when he put New Jersey guard Drazen Petrovic on the bench with quick fouls to help Cleveland beat the Nets. He also spoke openly about the 2002 Los Angeles–Sacramento series and called himself the NBA's "go-to guy.""

You mean, like how Higgins has officiated several controversial UK tourney games?

LOL....Ok.Laughing

Man are you reaching....I mean really, really reaching. I will give you credit though man---You are giving one hell of an effort.

And tell me, what is so controversial about those UK games? I mean other than the fact UK lost.Laughing

 

[IUfanBorden]

But it’s a completely different league. Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s never been any scandal involving refs in NCAA history quite like the NBA one and certainly nothing in the last 5-10 years suggests there’s been any wrongdoing. Would you agree?

There hasn't been. None that I am aware of. But hey, since ONE NBA official was caught cheating, well hell, ALL NCAA officials, especially those who work UK games(games they lost now), have to be corrupt. I mean it makes sense----Right? What fool cannot see the correlation between the two...RollLaugh

 

[KYtotheCore]

Excerpts for you. Let me know if you still believe 99.9% of officials operate with the utmost integrity. Lol

Un F'ing believable!

 

[IUfanBorden]

Honestly Borden, you think you are some super genius fan because you're a ref. Truth is, you don't know anymore than the rest of us. You don't have to be an official to spot shitty officiating. We all see it, all the time. Now, please don't respond with another long winded post. I didn't read the last 2 or 3, tbh.

Truth is, I know a hell of a lot more. That is the truth, son.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

Truth is, I know a hell of a lot more. That is the truth, son.

You're just a backwoods ref who officiates low major games across multiple sports. I don't even take you seriously. You speak in such absolutes when it comes to officiating, and it's obvious you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Plus, it's a joke how biased you are while you pretend to be neutral. You're a joke

 

[IUfanBorden]

You're just a backwoods ref who officiates low major games across multiple sports. I don't even take you seriously. You speak in such absolutes when it comes to officiating, and it's obvious you don't know anymore than the rest of us. Plus, it's a joke how biased you are while you pretend to be neutral. You're a joke

LOL...Yeah, ok. Hom many "low major" games have you ever called? Nope I didn't call a high major conference schedule. Never said I did. But even then, I still understand the principles of officiating 10X's more than any person on this board; including you.

If you know so much more, answer a few questions, genius:

1. Who has primary responsibility of the ball handler on a drive to the goal, from the lead official side? Who has responsibility of the pass? Who has responsibility of the player recieving the pass?
2. WHo has primary responsibility of the shot clock, and or game clock? Does that officials also have possible GT or BI responsibility?
3. On a drive to the goal, who has the primary call on a block/charge?
4. During post play, who has top half primary coverage? Who has off ball coverage? Who watches for the travel?

Can you can answer a single one of these, w/o help. or looking it up? I doubt you can son.

I've worked OOC SEC, ACC, Big 10 games. I;ve worked A-10, Atlantic Sun, MVC, OVC conference games. I've worked the D2 GLVC, GLIAC conference tournaments. D2 regional. D3 NCAAT. NAIA tournament.

What's your resume look like, chump?

 

[IUfanBorden]

"From my earliest involvement with Bavetta, I learned that he likes to keep games close, and that when a team gets down by double-digit points, he helps the players save face. He accomplishes this act of mercy by quietly, and frequently, blowing the whistle on the team that's having the better night. Team fouls suddenly become one-sided between the contestants, and the score begins to tighten up. That's the way Dick Bavetta referees a game — and everyone in the league knew it."

Impossible in NCAA basketball, because it's not NBA, and because 99.9% of NCAA refs have integrity.

You keep using NBA examples to justify cheating among NCAA officials. Do you not see how stupid that is?

Also, there are like 4,000 or more NCAA officials. I didn't say all were clean. Just the vast majority. I say this b/c of my experiences. You say different b/c ypou cannot accept your team losing. Say I'm right? That still leaves quite a few officials who could be dirty. Not saying it's impossible. It certainly is. But not as wide spread as you think.

Again---show me proof, and I'll concede somewhat.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

It's amazing how much you can learn about officiating during a weekend seminar. Laughing

 

[IUfanBorden]

It's amazing how much you can learn about officiating during a weekend seminar. Laughing

SO you ARE learning stuff from my post?

Good to hear. Keep up the good work, kiddo. Maybe by this time next year, you'll be a little less ignorant on the subject.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

Sarcasm

 

[IUfanBorden]

Sarcasm

Naaah, don't be embarrassed. Its OK to admit you are learning.

 

[KyFaninNC]

You know when I started officiating, this type of stuff never existed; fans worrying about who the officials were. And even up to the past 5 years, it never came to the forefront. It amazes me how some fans genuinely feel officials are honestly "out to get their team". It really does. Maybe it's b/c I've experienced the officiating side, and have a pretty gauge on this thought: IMO, it just doesn't exist. Sure there are certain officials who don't like certain coaches. But that goes both ways-------there are coaches who don't like certain officials. And they(coaches) certainly use that to their advantage.

I've had coaches in the past tell me, "Borden we game plan around certain officials/umpires". And I 100% get that. I was working a Sectional baseball tournament a few years back. When the HC found out I wasn't on the plate, he immediately changed who his starting pitcher was. Told me---I did so b/c this kid keeps the ball down, and we knew you liked to call that low, level, bottom of the zone pitch. I took that as a compliment. I bring this up b/c not only do coaches do this, but so do officials. We know how teams play. And we "game plan" to that. It's not being biased..........Its being prepared. I think fans get this confused.

I'vemet Higgins multiple times. He's a terrific dude. Arrogant. But really a nice dude. Does he have some, well, "feelings" toward certain coaches? I'm sure he does. Hell, I DO. But at then end of the day, we are professionals. And we do the best we can, w/o the interference of bias. Does officials sometimes lose that perspective? Sure they do. But that's human nature. We have all done so. But for the most part, I feel 100% confident that 99.99999% of all officials, call a game with the highest of integrity. And I know UK fans will laugh at this. Post 14, 000 vdeos of Higgins calls. But that's BBN. After all, they keep track of their W/L's with officials. So it is what it is. Fans seem to connect a tough loss, with a tough call. Or a bad call. Or bad calls. And then it begins:

This official has it out for us.

Good luck today KU and Duke fans. There will be bad calls. Missed calls. Just like there has been for the past 70 years. Just weird how as recent as 10 years ago, that was accpeted as part of the game. Not its suddenly agenda.

Higgins has bias against certain coaches and it is very plain to see it, or he is really incompetent, since you know him, I will let you tell us which it is. And I not totally referring to Calipari, either.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

I have read a bunch of crap on here about officials that is absolutely not the truth.

Hell the SEC used to have a rule that a coach could ban an official from doing his games.

So wondering and worrying about what official is calling a game is not new. There are some biased officials.

 

[Kevin Bryan]

Higgins did not officiate that game, for those that took the bait. It was Ayers, Sirmons, and Anderson.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Higgins has bias against certain coaches and it is very plain to see it, or he is really incompetent, since you know him, I will let you tell us which it is. And I not totally referring to Calipari, either.

Never said I "knew him". Said I've met him. And from those meetings, he came as a really good dude. Arrogant, but overall a good dude. What bias does he have, and toward who? I doubt he's incompetent, as he's worked 7 Final Fours and 2 National title games. Does he have a bias? I dunno. But nor do you. Again, you base your opinion on an emotional gauge. As for officials being "bias". Not really sure. There are coaches that officials do not like. But as far as being biased toward them------Not sure. TBH, I've never asked. And honestly, that would really be the only way to know---right? I know for myself there are coaches whom I give a longer leash to. Coaches that I respect more than others. Meaning I "listen" to them more than I would another coach. But that title is earned. If I have a coach who complains from opening tip to the final buzzer, every single game, well sooner or later you just tune that out. You quit taking him serious. If I have a coach who wants to turn a disagreement of a call, into a personal agenda---and they do, again, I'm not as patient with those guys. Again, something a coach earns.

Higgins is an official who just doesn't take much. He can be really quick with tech's. But that doesn't make him bias. Just means he's got a quick trigger. And with his arrogance, it doesn't surprise me. IMO, Higgins is really no different than any other official. He's just happened to be right in the middle of two very emotional, UK losses. If this were games not involving UK, we wouldn't be having this conversation; Or if UK had won.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I have read a bunch of crap on here about officials that is absolutely not the truth.
Hell the SEC used to have a rule that a coach could ban an official from doing his games.

So wondering and worrying about what official is calling a game is not new. The
re are some biased officials.

I'd like to see some type of link to this. In my 17 years, I've never heard of such a thing(with coaches). Now head of officials, conference admid, or even some AD's, I could see. But coaches? Meh, not so sure. Maybe back in the day Bert. Not saying then it wasn;t a practice. It very well could've been.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Didn't expect you to understand. In other words DICKtective, there is no evidence of officials being corrupt at the NCAA level. None. Just assumptions made by people like you who cannot accept it when their teams lose.

Maybe because no one has investigated it? If the NCAA are putting specific refs in specific games, they will not tell on themselves.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Never said I "knew him". Said I've met him. And from those meetings, he came as a really good dude. Arrogant, but overall a good dude. What bias does he have, and toward who? I doubt he's incompetent, as he's worked 7 Final Fours and 2 National title games. Does he have a bias? I dunno. But nor do you. Again, you base your opinion on an emotional gauge. As for officials being "bias". Not really sure. There are coaches that officials do not like. But as far as being biased toward them------Not sure. TBH, I've never asked. And honestly, that would really be the only way to know---right? I know for myself there are coaches whom I give a longer leash to. Coaches that I respect more than others. Meaning I "listen" to them more than I would another coach. But that title is earned. If I have a coach who complains from opening tip to the final buzzer, every single game, well sooner or later you just tune that out. You quit taking him serious. If I have a coach who wants to turn a disagreement of a call, into a personal agenda---and they do, again, I'm not as patient with those guys. Again, something a coach earns.

Higgins is an official who just doesn't take much. He can be really quick with tech's. But that doesn't make him bias. Just means he's got a quick trigger. And with his arrogance, it doesn't surprise me. IMO, Higgins is really no different than any other official. He's just happened to be right in the middle of two very emotional, UK losses. If this were games not involving UK, we wouldn't be having this conversation; Or if UK had won.

Not true. He has shown bias against Huggins, and another game, can't remember who was playing, but Higgins followed a coach all the way back to the bench, hoping to hear something, so he could T him up. Neither of these two examples have anything to do with UK.

Back in the day, the ACC had a ref named Lenny Wurtz, and every game he called with UNC playing, they won, the other team was playing 5 on 6, very obvious to see it. You do not have to be a referee to see obvious bias. If Higgins can not control his attitudes, he needs to stop officiating. You check your prejudicies at the door, all teams and all the players deserve equal treatment, and if an official can not give that, get out.