Indiana fans, does it bother you that no one cares about you anymore?
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You really want to play the “if” game in regards to KU? IF they didn’t miss about 20 FTs vs Syracuse, they’d have won in 03. Just one of a million what ifs.
Btw, Roy lost to Rhode Island.
Bradley and Bucknell were chokes, but neither team had great expectations.
That Wichita St team was flat out better than that KU team (partly due to injuries/absent players). They were good. Kinda silly to dismiss a team that was the overall 1 seed the year before, and in the final four a year earlier, as a lowly midmajor.
Northern Iowa was a definite choke, but also a solid team that probably should have been a 5 seed.
VCU was a big disappointment, because KU was clearly the best team left in the field, but that VCU team was red-hot. They won four tourney games to get there and killed some good teams. I’m not sure why that gets lumped in with a loss like Bucknell.
The only program that’s had high seeds as consistently as KU in recent times is Duke. And guess what....chokes abound. K has had more chokes than Bill since he’s been at KU. He’s lost in the first round three times and several times in the second. The difference is that he has one more title in that span, because he was lucky enough to meet Butler in the title game instead of Anthony Davis’s Kentucky team. Them’s the breaks.
An Indiana fan should know. They’ve failed to play to seed more often than KU. And I’m pretty sure they have just as many losses to double digit seeds with far fewer opportunities.
If game? Who's doing that? Its not IF you lost to Bucknell,. No.Iowa, etc, etc...Its,. YOU did. Three titles, dude. One in the past 32 years. Sure Kansas has won a lot of games...Made the NCAA's....But, really, that is it. Uconn has more titles(4)...Villanova has the same(3). MOF, UConn and Nova have won more titles since 1999, than Kansas has since 1988. SHit Uconn has more titles since '99 than Kansas has in 200 years of basketball...Its why Roy left. He had to go to UNC so he could win a title..
Kansas is great. Great tradition. Just choke. A lot.
Where did I ever say KU wasn't an elite program? MOF, I said the opposite. They are an elite program. You KU fans are getting worse than UK'ers. Sensitive. Look don't get mad at me b/c KU chokes. It ain't my fault.
You were playing the “if” game in regard to the Memphis game. Yes, a little luck finally went their way, after being unlucky a million times. It also wasn’t a terrible shock that a poor FT shooting team missed a few under pressure.
Is that why Roy left? Haha. I hope that’s trolling.
Uconn has more titles than anyone in that span. What’s your point?
All things considered, despite the chokes, Duke and UNC are the only programs with a legit claim to being better in the modern era. But sure, rail away at a program that’s been far, far better than yours in every way over the last four decades. And has even played to seed more often. Just seems strange.
And please tell all what Iowa has ever won on a National level. That you Fran.?
What seems strange? So what that Indiana has sucked ass for 30 years. Its irrelevant. But I get it...Its a "go-to". No biggie.
Of course the "Williams leaving KU..." was trolling. I am surprised you even hinted that maybe it wasn't. Then again, you guys get a tad emotional when folks yank on KU's chain..
I know UConn has more titles than anyone since 1999. Wasn't the point. Point was, they have more titles in 20 years than KU has in 200. In other words, they don't have more than UK, Duke, UNC, IU, and of course UCLA..
"Only Duke and UNC" have been more successful in the modern era?
Since 1984....
Did you forget about Kentucky?
UK 3 titles, 8 FF's, 17 Elite 8's, 2 runner-ups..
KU 2 titles, 9 FF's, 16 Elite 8's, 1 runner-up(to Kentucky nonetheless).
Well, duh....I mean I can say that about almost every single top tier teams, i.e. UK, Duke, UNC, etc, etc...Most teams that are consistently top 1 or 2 seeds, usually does play up to their seeding. Again, an irrelevant stat. It doesn't change the fact that KU has been known as a choke artist in the NCAAT. It ain't just my opinion, brother.
Kansas is a great program. Always will be. 9 times out of 10, they'll contend. But, I mean, those three titles are kind of damning....Not to mention only ONE since 1988. KU can puff their chest out about a lot of things. NCAA titles ain't one of them.
I don’t think 1 title makes up for 100 fewer wins, fewer tourney appearances, and fewer final fours.
By this logic, UCLA is clearly the greatest program of all time. Love how people change their criteria to fit the argument.
UK has more titles and more championship games. You left that out. KU does have more final four.
KU has 3 runner ups during this time frame you guys are talking about.
Do you even NCAA tournament, bro? You really are an Indiana fan aren’t ya?
Oh yeah?
Kansas is a better program than Kentucky.
These aren’t the droids you are looking for.
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/50-greatest-programs-of-all-time.923203/
8>3
You do lead in major infractions though.
Seriously, this isn't even fun right now. Losing this tournament sucks ass.
By, ummm, what logic? What are you talking about? He said ONLY Duke and UNC can argue they have been better. Well, I disagree. UK has one less FF(9-8), BUT has ONE more title and ONE more Elite 8. Since 1984, KU has won the title in 1988 and 2008. UK won the title in 96 and 98....Then in 2012. MOF, they went to 3 straight FF's(96-98). Then,under Cal, went to 4 FF's in 5 years.
I'm just saying UK has just as good as an argument, brother.
Yep. Forgot about 91 and 2003. Still, point remains.
Again, WTF does being an IU fan have to do with anything? You guys says that as if its some type of insult....I mean, its not. I know we have sucked ass. So what. It doesn't change any of the facts.
Huh?
That doesn’t make sense. It’s easier to play to seed as a high seed? For a 1 seed to play to seed, they have to reach the final four. Which happens less than 40% of the time. For a 5 to 8 seed to play to seed, they have to win one game. For 9 or lower, they don’t even have to win a game.
Indiana has a lot of losses to double digit seeds. Not going to count them all right now but I remember it’s as many or more than KU. Yet they’ve had far fewer high seeds. Call KU choke artists, that’s fine, but then what is Indiana? I mean, when you guys do have a decent team in the last 3 to 4 decades, you usually choke. Is it somehow better to choke at a higher rate while winning a lot less?
I’ll be the first to say that KU should have more final fours and titles. But many programs are thinking the same thing. It’s a wild tourney. I think most of us have figured this out. But to act like KU chokes at a way higher rate than everyone else ain’t accurate. I posted the numbers before. There are only a couple programs that choke less and it’s a difference of about 2%. There are just some recent ones that stand out. Not really something to rant about endlessly.
I mean, aren’t we talking about this because you got triggered by a comment about Indiana and started jabbing at KU?Laughing
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