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I predict K wins the natty.

He definitely wanting a year long celebration of himself and his tenure though. Unless he simply isn't very smart he knew what he was doing.

Grand, strange statements like this make it so that I don't know if you are the saltiest UNC poster here, or if you are just playing around.

God forbid a coach let the next coach know he is retiring, so said coach can actually recruit a class he wants, and so recruits can know who they are going to play for, and they can actually have a season to prepare. I'd say that is both pretty smart and ALSO pretty thoughtful of the dozens of people involved in these processes.

Its like if you work in a field where you work on major projects, and a project lead said "Hey, at the end of the next project I am retiring." Most people would see that as normal, bc it gives a full cycle/project for the next-in-lines to prepare.
 
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Grand, strange statements like this make it so that I don't know if you are the saltiest UNC poster here, or if you are just playing around.

God forbid a coach let the next coach know he is retiring, so said coach can actually recruit a class he wants, and so recruits can know who they are going to play for, and they can actually have a season to prepare. I'd say that is both pretty smart and ALSO pretty thoughtful of the dozens of people involved in these processes.

Its like if you work in a field where you work on major projects, and a project lead said "Hey, at the end of the next project I am retiring." Most people would see that as normal, bc it gives a full cycle/project for the next-in-lines to prepare.
Logic and common sense just pisses them off.
 
Logic says that, in order to notify the next coach of your plans, you have to make it public a year in advance and narrate corny videos to honor yourself? 🤣

Did you happen to see how Roy handled it?
Yes, I have seen how many coaches have handled it and I don't care. This isnt some has been college coach. This is a guy who is the GOAT and has coached for 40+ years at one University.

I am also sure this wasnt all his doing and that Duke orchestrated quite a bit of it.

And you make it public so recruits and others see a succession plan. Just like in the military. Where did K go to school again? Seems to have worked. 5 5*'s this year and 3 so far in 2023.

I also saw how DES handled it. Quitting a month before the season and forcing his long time asst on the school.
 
Yes, I have seen how many coaches have handled it and I don't care. This isnt some has been college coach. This is a guy who is the GOAT and has coached for 40+ years at one University.

I am also sure this wasnt all his doing and that Duke orchestrated quite a bit of it.

And you make it public so recruits and others see a succession plan. Just like in the military. Where did K go to school again? Seems to have worked. 5 5*'s this year and 3 so far in 2023.

I also saw how DES handled it. Quitting a month before the season and forcing his long time asst on the school.

Wrong! Dean retired at the end of the season just like Roy.
 
Wrong! Dean retired at the end of the season just like Roy.
Interesting. Took a very short google search to verify my statement.

Here you are lying again.

Smith announced his retirement on October 9, 1997. He had said that if he ever felt he could not give his team the same enthusiasm he had given it for years, he would retire. His announcement was unexpected, as he had given little warning that he was considering retirement.

If you dont like that one, try this one. Is October at the end of the college basketball season or was it in 1997.

 
I gave yyou the not smart option so if you think he didn’t want the adulation you could have just claimed that. Personally, I disagree and find K to be plenty intelligent. He knew full well how people would react and wanted the attention. Not sure why that is such a point of contention with Duke fans. It’s just like it’s a huge negative thing.
 
I gave yyou the not smart option so if you think he didn’t want the adulation you could have just claimed that. Personally, I disagree and find K to be plenty intelligent. He knew full well how people would react and wanted the attention. Not sure why that is such a point of contention with Duke fans. It’s just like it’s a huge negative thing.
Maybe, just maybe, K and Duke were being kind because opposing schools wanted to celebrate K and his accomplishments and all he has done for college basketball.

I just dont understand why some of you have issues with it. Just my two cents.

Not a negative in my mind at all.
 
So when did Dean retire again?

And you claim to be a UNc fan.

Sad. Your shit went into the 31st row.

The same thing as you claimed that William Avery was a 1 and done. You got missing for 2 days. Take that victory lap but like that old saying, act like you been here before and clearly you haven’t.
 
The same thing as you claimed that William Avery was a 1 and done. You got missing for 2 days. Take that victory lap but like that old saying, act like you been here before and clearly you haven’t.
So are you saying you were wrong?
 
Historically, the ACC is a much stronger conference than the SEC, yes. And while most know UNC has been better than Kentucky in the modern era, I think you could even go back to when Dean Smith started (1962 season, I believe), and UNC would still top UK. However, Kentucky dominated the 40's and 50's - and that's what given them a HUGE advantage.

I tend to think the SEC and ACC/Southern were more or less even in the 40's and 50's. And this is significant, because Kentucky gaining their historical advantage during the early years in a quality conference means more (they weren't stockpiling points against a creampuff league). By the 60's, the ACC had certainly surpassed them. Here's a look at how many times teams from the SEC and ACC/Southern had been to the Final Four or nationally ranked between 1939-1959. The SEC has a combined 27 seasons (obviously UK helps a bit, but NCSU and UNC match that #), while the ACC has a combined 24 seasons. FWIW, the polls were only 20 deep back then.

SEC
Kentucky (14)
Vanderbilt (3)
Miss State (3)
LSU (2)
Alabama (2)
Auburn (2)
Tulane (1)

ACC/Southern
NC State (8)
UNC (6)
Duke (4)
Wake (3)
Maryland (2)
West Virginia (1)

Between 1939-1950, the tournament only fielded 8 teams. Kentucky was in there four times, while UNC was in there twice. So, only plus two from that. Yet, Kentucky actually won the SEC 10 times during that 12 year span. There weren't enough spots for all of the conference champs (and certainly some schools deferred to the NIT). I believe Kentucky was a legit Final Four/Title contender in 46, 47, and 50. Also, the '54 Kentucky team was undefeated. They declined to play in the postseason in 1954 because three of their starters were ruled ineligible - due to already having graduated (rule has since changed). That team was ranked #1 in the country. That's 4 squads that easily could have racked up way more points for Kentucky - not to mention all of the conference champs that were left out of the tourney.

The AP Poll started in 1949. Of the first 7 years of the AP Poll (1949-1955), Kentucky finished in the top 3 every season - while UNC didn't have a top 10 finish until the 1957 season. I personally don't think it's splitting hairs. Kentucky is ahead of UNC by almost every metric. I think the best argument to make for UNC is they've had more success in the past half-century - and it's certainly more challenging to win championships in the modern era. But, I don't feel like it's necessarily fair to discount titles from the early years if we really want this to be a true representation of all years. I don't give title teams from the 40's credit for Round of 32 and Sweet 16 wins, however - because they obviously didn't have to play those games.
Thanks, but some folks will not listen to reason. Some are Kansas folks.

So if you don't drop down on your knees and pray to the great Big 12 and ACC GODS then you must say: Kentucky sucks and UNC, Kansas and Duke are the greatest things since sliced bread.

Kansas won a title in 1952, 1988 and 2008. So based on the criteria being used that is only two titles in the "great modern era". (Please note that Kentucky won three titles in the "great modern era" in 1996, 1998 & 2012, and five before.

The only problem is that UNC and Duke did shit prior to the "great modern era" except UNC screwed up and won in 1957 against Kansas. Then UNC won in 1982. Maybe that was possibly "new modern era", but it still counts as a real title for Big 12 and ACC fans. (Note Kentucky had won 5 by then so those five titles don't count for Kentucky, so Kentucky is stuck with 3 "new modern era" titles).

So I am not adding any more to this nonsense as you can't win an argument with someone who will not accept facts as facts.

We have a bunch of dipwads that don't know shit from shinola about basketball prior to 1985. Back before the "great modern era" if a B1G or SEC team went to the final four they had to go through each other. (The NCAA was geographical and the East, West and MidWest had few good teams so if you won the ACC your biggest opponent would be St. Johns - it was left up to the other regional to fight it out.)

Notice that there was never both an SEC or B1G team in the final four as most of the great teams were in the same damned regional and most of the major independents were in the same damned regional). Those two great conferences blacked out each other. Back in the 1940's, 50's and 60's the SEC or B1G were the best conferences in the U.S. Teams like UNC, Duke, St. Johns, Kansas, UCLA et.al. did not have to play shit until they got to the final four.

So now we are faced with the bullshit that if it was not good before 1985 it does not count.

Please just count me out of the argument because Kansas prior to seeding in the NCAA Tournament never had to go through the B1G to get to the final four. There never was more than one damned team in Kansas' conference that could have won a B1G title prior to the "great modern era". So folks please understand this that basketball in the pre 1985 era was in the mid west.
 
Thanks, but some folks will not listen to reason. Some are Kansas folks.

So if you don't drop down on your knees and pray to the great Big 12 and ACC GODS then you must say: Kentucky sucks and UNC, Kansas and Duke are the greatest things since sliced bread.

Kansas won a title in 1952, 1988 and 2008. So based on the criteria being used that is only two titles in the "great modern era". (Please note that Kentucky won three titles in the "great modern era" in 1996, 1998 & 2012, and five before.

The only problem is that UNC and Duke did shit prior to the "great modern era" except UNC screwed up and won in 1957 against Kansas. Then UNC won in 1982. Maybe that was possibly "new modern era", but it still counts as a real title for Big 12 and ACC fans. (Note Kentucky had won 5 by then so those five titles don't count for Kentucky, so Kentucky is stuck with 3 "new modern era" titles).

So I am not adding any more to this nonsense as you can't win an argument with someone who will not accept facts as facts.

We have a bunch of dipwads that don't know shit from shinola about basketball prior to 1985. Back before the "great modern era" if a B1G or SEC team went to the final four they had to go through each other. (The NCAA was geographical and the East, West and MidWest had few good teams so if you won the ACC your biggest opponent would be St. Johns - it was left up to the other regional to fight it out.)

Notice that there was never both an SEC or B1G team in the final four as most of the great teams were in the same damned regional and most of the major independents were in the same damned regional). Those two great conferences blacked out each other. Back in the 1940's, 50's and 60's the SEC or B1G were the best conferences in the U.S. Teams like UNC, Duke, St. Johns, Kansas, UCLA et.al. did not have to play shit until they got to the final four.

So now we are faced with the bullshit that if it was not good before 1985 it does not count.

Please just count me out of the argument because Kansas prior to seeding in the NCAA Tournament never had to go through the B1G to get to the final four. There never was more than one damned team in Kansas' conference that could have won a B1G title prior to the "great modern era". So folks please understand this that basketball in the pre 1985 era was in the mid west.

So the SEC was the best or 2nd-best league from the 40s to 60s? Who were these great teams other than Kentucky?

Not sure why you're pretending I said that pre-1985 accomplishments don't count. But yeah, I weigh it a little more heavily if you win a tournament vs the best of the best, while playing twice as many games. Do you deny that a lot of highly ranked teams didn't participate in the tourney back then?

You'll shit on Gonzaga and KU's leagues all day (and apparently the old ACC), but you want us to believe that the SEC is and has always been great. Seems objective.
 
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So the SEC was the best or 2nd-best league from the 40s to 60s? Who were these great teams other than Kentucky?

Not sure why you're pretending I said that pre-1985 accomplishments don't count. But yeah, I weigh it a little more heavily if you win a tournament vs the best of the best, while playing twice as many games. Do you deny that a lot of highly ranked teams didn't participate in the tourney back then?

You'll shit on Gonzaga and KU's leagues all day (and apparently the old ACC), but you want us to believe that the SEC is and has always been great. Seems objective.
The ACC and Kansas's league did not produce many titles, but you think that they were great. Logic can't be twisted into pieces.
 
The ACC and Kansas's league did not produce many titles, but you think that they were great. Logic can't be twisted into pieces.
I didn’t say that they were great. But they did produce a few champions and plenty of final fours/runner ups back then.

You’re the one who claims that the SEC was great. Just wondering who these great teams were.
 
I didn’t say that they were great. But they did produce a few champions and plenty of final fours/runner ups back then.

You’re the one who claims that the SEC was great. Just wondering who these great teams were.
Many were. LSU, Mississippi State, Tennessee; their big problem was they could not get past Kentucky. Pistol Pete Maravich never played an NCAA game because they always lost to Kentucky.

You can demean Kentucky and the SEC all you choose, but the facts still remain. The B1G were equally good but the wealth was spread around better; however, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan made teams run the gauntlet.

Then the winner of the SEC and B1G met in the second round of the regional. There were no cream puffs like in the Midwest and East.
 
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Many were. LSU, Mississippi State, Tennessee; their big problem was they could not get past Kentucky. Pistol Pete Maravich never played an NCAA game because they always lost to Kentucky.

You can demean Kentucky and the SEC all you choose, but the facts still remain. The B1G were equally good but the wealth was spread around better; however, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan made teams run the gauntlet.

Then the winner of the SEC and B1G met in the second round of the regional. There were no cream puffs like in the Midwest and East.
Mississippi St rarely even had a winning record. LSU had 2 or 3 ranked teams until the 80s, and a lot of losing records. Tennessee had some solid teams here and there, but were up and down and never went anywhere in the tourney even when Kentucky had down years.

This argument would make more sense for a program like Kansas St. They were often highly ranked and went deep in the tourney many times. When KU won the national title in ‘52, K-State was #3 in the nation. They had several top 10 teams that didn’t play in the tourney because they had to deal with Wilt, Lovellette, etc.

I never said the Big 6/Big 8 was a gauntlet, but let’s not pretend the SEC was either.
 
Mississippi St rarely even had a winning record. LSU had 2 or 3 ranked teams until the 80s, and a lot of losing records. Tennessee had some solid teams here and there, but were up and down and never went anywhere in the tourney even when Kentucky had down years.

This argument would make more sense for a program like Kansas St. They were often highly ranked and went deep in the tourney many times. When KU won the national title in ‘52, K-State was #3 in the nation. They had several top 10 teams that didn’t play in the tourney because they had to deal with Wilt, Lovellette, etc.

I never said the Big 6/Big 8 was a gauntlet, but let’s not pretend the SEC was either.
The SEC was a gauntlet if you played Kentucky twice a year.

I am out of this because you will not listen to reason.

The Big6/Big8 were not very BIG. In 1952 Kentucky won 29 and lost 3. They won the SEC regular season and SEC tourney. They lost to St. John's in the NCAA. Where was Kentucky ranked? 20th?

GEEZE.
 
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