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Bert Higginbotha said:
All of these metrics are based on assumptions. They assume that Michigan played the 5th toughest schedule. The list of "tough" teams are also complied on assumptions. They may be accurate as hell but still are not science.

So we are not dealing in math. We deal with assumptions.

This can be corrected with a data base that gets all the data fed in and crunches the numbers. Politics and bias go straight to hell.
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This whole post is a bunch of nonsense.
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
Stop it. Alabama did not get a bid because their AD is on the committee, that's ridiculous. Go compare the other 6 seeds against Alabama (LSU, Texas, CSU). They all have mediocre resumes too and Bama had some much better quality wins. Matter of fact, Bama AD isn't allowed to have any input at all. "Athletic directors are required to leave the room when their team is being discussed, and conference executives when any team from their conference is being discussed. They can't vote if their team or teams are on a ballot and can "only answer factual questions about their team," Worlock said. "When 24 or fewer teams are in the pool of teams from which we are selecting or seeding, and one of the teams is represented by a committee member, that person is not allowed to participate in that vote. And again, if the team comes up for discussion, they must leave the room."

Do you think the Bama AD was just going around getting friendly with everyone else on the committee and slipping them cash or something just so they would put his team in the field? LOL....c'mon man.

Read this if you truly want to get an idea of how it works rather than simply throwing around baseless accusations because YOU don't think Alabama deserved to get in. It's from 2015 but I am sure the same basic principles still apply. Also take a look at all the variables that go into making the selections (Hint: It's not just based on records and Bert's eye test).

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Guess they would have no problem sharing their minutes then, huh? I mean it's not life changing decisions, right?
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
Stop it. Alabama did not get a bid because their AD is on the committee, that's ridiculous. Go compare the other 6 seeds against Alabama (LSU, Texas, CSU). They all have mediocre resumes too and Bama had some much better quality wins. Matter of fact, Bama AD isn't allowed to have any input at all. "Athletic directors are required to leave the room when their team is being discussed, and conference executives when any team from their conference is being discussed. They can't vote if their team or teams are on a ballot and can "only answer factual questions about their team," Worlock said. "When 24 or fewer teams are in the pool of teams from which we are selecting or seeding, and one of the teams is represented by a committee member, that person is not allowed to participate in that vote. And again, if the team comes up for discussion, they must leave the room."

Do you think the Bama AD was just going around getting friendly with everyone else on the committee and slipping them cash or something just so they would put his team in the field? LOL....c'mon man.

Read this if you truly want to get an idea of how it works rather than simply throwing around baseless accusations because YOU don't think Alabama deserved to get in. It's from 2015 but I am sure the same basic principles still apply. Also take a look at all the variables that go into making the selections (Hint: It's not just based on records and Bert's eye test).

CLICK HERE
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I liked your post because it was sensible, but I am a bama/bammer expert and when you see any kinda misdoings, a closer inspection will usually indicate filthy little bammer finger prints all over it.
 
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treyforuk said:
Guess they would have no problem sharing their minutes then, huh? I mean it's not life changing decisions, right?
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Or some of us can just keep wearing our aluminum foil helmets and believing committee members are behind the scenes pulling strings so their programs get preferential treatment. Do you think this was the case for UK when Barnhart was on the committee for 5 years prior to this season?
 
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Bert Higginbotha said:
All of these metrics are based on assumptions. They assume that Michigan played the 5th toughest schedule. The list of "tough" teams are also complied on assumptions. They may be accurate as hell but still are not science.

So we are not dealing in math. We deal with assumptions.

This can be corrected with a data base that gets all the data fed in and crunches the numbers. Politics and bias go straight to hell.
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Like, assuming Texas AM is better? Or is that different?
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
Or some of us can just keep wearing our aluminum foil helmets and believing committee members are behind the scenes pulling strings so their programs get preferential treatment. Do you think this was the case for UK when Barnhart was on the committee for 5 years prior to this season?
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Trusting. Neat. Barnhart probably hurt us. So, you feel Michigan deserved it over aTM?
 
IUfanBorden said:
Like, assuming Texas AM is better? Or is that different?
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No sir that is a certainty. What ever metric you want to compare. Bring it on.

They have a better record in the SEC than Alabama. They went farther in the SEC Tourney than Alabama.

I am not comparing them to Indiana or Michigan. Borden I am an old retired dude that watches basketball all the damned time. I will bet that Texas A&M is a better team than Alabama. Hell they beat Alabama at Alabama by 16 points.

Geeze these arguments become stupid after a while.
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
Stop it. Alabama did not get a bid because their AD is on the committee, that's ridiculous. Go compare the other 6 seeds against Alabama (LSU, Texas, CSU). They all have mediocre resumes too and Bama had some much better quality wins. Matter of fact, Bama AD isn't allowed to have any input at all. "Athletic directors are required to leave the room when their team is being discussed, and conference executives when any team from their conference is being discussed. They can't vote if their team or teams are on a ballot and can "only answer factual questions about their team," Worlock said. "When 24 or fewer teams are in the pool of teams from which we are selecting or seeding, and one of the teams is represented by a committee member, that person is not allowed to participate in that vote. And again, if the team comes up for discussion, they must leave the room."

Do you think the Bama AD was just going around getting friendly with everyone else on the committee and slipping them cash or something just so they would put his team in the field? LOL....c'mon man.

Read this if you truly want to get an idea of how it works rather than simply throwing around baseless accusations because YOU don't think Alabama deserved to get in. It's from 2015 but I am sure the same basic principles still apply. Also take a look at all the variables that go into making the selections (Hint: It's not just based on records and Bert's eye test).

CLICK HERE
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Yes sir. I don't believe any of it. Based on Alabama crash at the end of the season they should not have been in. It is simple. Three fourths of that article is pure hype.

I had a good career in Sales and Marketing and I know that if you make the right impression you do not have to be present when the decision is made.

So really I don't give a shit about Texas A&M or Alabama but I would like to see fair play in selecting the best teams for the NCAA.

Tell me why Alabama is in at a 6 seed and A&M is not even in with a better record? A 6 seed?
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
Stop it. Alabama did not get a bid because their AD is on the committee, that's ridiculous. Go compare the other 6 seeds against Alabama (LSU, Texas, CSU). They all have mediocre resumes too and Bama had some much better quality wins. Matter of fact, Bama AD isn't allowed to have any input at all. "Athletic directors are required to leave the room when their team is being discussed, and conference executives when any team from their conference is being discussed. They can't vote if their team or teams are on a ballot and can "only answer factual questions about their team," Worlock said. "When 24 or fewer teams are in the pool of teams from which we are selecting or seeding, and one of the teams is represented by a committee member, that person is not allowed to participate in that vote. And again, if the team comes up for discussion, they must leave the room."

Do you think the Bama AD was just going around getting friendly with everyone else on the committee and slipping them cash or something just so they would put his team in the field? LOL....c'mon man.

Read this if you truly want to get an idea of how it works rather than simply throwing around baseless accusations because YOU don't think Alabama deserved to get in. It's from 2015 but I am sure the same basic principles still apply. Also take a look at all the variables that go into making the selections (Hint: It's not just based on records and Bert's eye test).

CLICK HERE
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Really, reallly glad you posted this. I was going to, but **** thats a lot to type..
 
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Bert Higginbotha said:
Yes sir. I don't believe any of it. Based on Alabama crash at the end of the season they should not have been in. It is simple. Three fourths of that article is pure hype.

I had a good career in Sales and Marketing and I know that if you make the right impression you do not have to be present when the decision is made.

So really I don't give a shit about Texas A&M or Alabama but I would like to see fair play in selecting the best teams for the NCAA.

Tell me why Alabama is in at a 6 seed and A&M is not even in with a better record? A 6 seed?
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Hype? It tells you how the process works. But, for the comparisons sake, here you go:

Alabama
Net - 30
KenPom - 25
Sagarin - 22
Q1 - 8-8
Q2 - 5-3
Q3- 5-2
Q4 - 1-0

A&M
Net - 43
KenPom - 43
Sagarin - 51
Q1 - 4-10
Q2 - 5-0
Q3 - 5-2
Q4 - 8-0

As you can see by those numbers, A&M played a much softer schedule overall - 8 quad 4 games compared to 1 for Bama, and look at that difference in Quad 1 record. In fact, Alabama had the #1 strength of schedule in the nation while A&M was 55.

You keep talking about overall record as if all opponents are equal. Open your eyes, Bert.
 
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Bert Higginbotha said:
No sir that is a certainty. What ever metric you want to compare. Bring it on.

They have a better record in the SEC than Alabama. They went farther in the SEC Tourney than Alabama.

I am not comparing them to Indiana or Michigan. Borden I am an old retired dude that watches basketball all the damned time. I will bet that Texas A&M is a better team than Alabama. Hell they beat Alabama at Alabama by 16 points.

Geeze these arguments become stupid after a while.
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My apologies here Bert---thought you were comparing them to Michigan..

But even then my FRIEND----Bama's resume is better. Overall records don't alwys tell the truth. And not to mention, A&M lost what, like 8 in a row at one time?
 
IUfanBorden said:
Like, assuming Texas AM is better? Or is that different?
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Aggy 24-12 (Conf: 9-9)
Mich 17-14 (Conf: 11-9)

Aggy (4) quad 1 wins
Mich (5) quad 1 wins

Aggy 5-0 Quad 2
Mich 3-3 Quad 2

Aggy 5-2 Quad 3
Mich 6-1 Quad 3

This is the empirical evidence that is not subjective.
 
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della said:
Aggy 24-12 (Conf: 9-9)
Mich 17-14 (Conf: 11-9)

Aggy (4) quad 1 wins
Mich (5) quad 1 wins

Aggy 5-0 Quad 2
Mich 3-3 Quad 2

Aggy 5-2 Quad 3
Mich 6-1 Quad 3

This is the empirical evidence that is not subjective.
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Ummmm, you saying A&M better?
 
Noahtogo24 said:
Between Michigan and A&M, looks close was a judgement call..
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Not really------Out of A&M's 24 wins----8 were vs Quad 4 teams.. On the other hand, Michigan only had 3 Quad 4 wins....Thats a huge difference.
 
della said:
I would think you would need to win 19+ to get in, but I'm only concerned with Tenn, so...
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You need not to play 8 Q4 games.......Had Michigan done that, they would have met your criteria...

Go Vols...
 
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IUfanBorden said:
You need not to play 8 Q4 games.......Had Michigan done that, they would have met your criteria...

Go Vols...
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Maybe, they were only 3-3 in Quad two games, so you never know. I asked you a question about the UK/UT game and you never responded, did you watch it?
 
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della said:
Maybe, they were only 3-3 in Quad two games, so you never know. I asked you a question about the UK/UT game and you never responded, did you watch it?
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I did.....But didn't see your question..
 
IUfanBorden said:
I did.....But didn't see your question..
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The question was on the foul given to Santi where they checked to see if it was an F1 foul. I thought the foul was bullshit, the UK player acted like he was hit in the face and his face wasn't even touched. It should have been a foul on UK, their player was mugging him. IMO

How did you see it?
 
I don't see the big deal Michigan is a decent squad. If you're down on that bubble and don't make it in that's a you problem.
 
della said:
The question was on the foul given to Santi where they checked to see if it was an F1 foul. I thought the foul was bullshit, the UK player acted like he was hit in the face and his face wasn't even touched. It should have been a foul on UK, their player was mugging him. IMO

How did you see it?
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I honestly felt it was two dudes banging, getting tangled, etc, etc...IMO, I thught it was better served as a no call, TBH----If I am remembering the play correctly....But if onemust call a foul, I did think it was on UK...

And now you have done it-----Thanks, Della..
 
IUfanBorden said:
I honestly felt it was two dudes banging, getting tangled, etc, etc...IMO, I thught it was better served as a no call, TBH----If I am remembering the play correctly....But if onemust call a foul, I did think it was on UK...

And now you have done it-----Thanks, Della..
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Thanks
 
treyforuk said:
How in the hell did a 17-14team get in the turny? Or is that the forbidden question.
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Lol

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