Bubble teams?
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Crazy they went 13-5 in conference and won't make the tournament. Alabama is 8-10 in conference, tied for 9th in the sec and could still make it in.
That's why the RPI needs to go away, or at least become much less prominent. They are obviously a good team and would beat many that will get in. Yes they shoudn't have scheduled such a weak non conference, but they obviously have shown they can compete by doing well in conference.
Based on what? They’ve basically beaten one team that will be in the tournament.
And that's only because of the RPI system. There are several teams in the B10 that would have been in during normal years. Their RPI being down for one reason or another doesn't change how good the teams really are. Some teams really fell off and others did better than expected. Penn St for example is a tough out. They started off the season slow because they were missing a key player. Here they are, beating Ohio St 3 times, yet they won't get it.
Nebraska played Kansas to the wire at Kansas and lost by 1.
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I think Oklahoma State probably has to win the Big 12 tourney. At least make the finals for sure.
Pac-12 has a bunch. UCLA, USC, Utah, Washington even Arizona State might need to win 1 to really feel safe.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Because the Big 10 outside of MSU, Purdue, OSU, and Michigan is hot garbage.
9 of their 13 conference wins were against teams with losing records. They were 1-4 against MSU, OSU, Purdue, and Michigan and only had to play each of them once during the season.
Well, that is a whole other problem. I hate the unbalanced schedules. We never truly know who the regular season champ is without playing each team home and away.
I can count on one finger the number of wins Nebraska had vs the RPI top 70. All season.
Going to be funny when Iowa State wins the Big Xii Tournament for the 4th time in 5 years and steals a bid from a bubble team! 
/ Sarcasm
/ Sarcasm
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Yeah could be, but FSU and UVA will be no easy task, with the way we’ve been playing, NIT seems to be our destiny. Oh well.
Nebraska's only home loss was to Kansas on a last second shot by Svi. 73-72 since Michigan won the b1g tourney rumor has it Nebraska sneaks in at an 11 or 12...
If OK state wins 1 in the Big 12 tourney I could see them getting in. They swept Kansas and beat Tech and WVU. I know OU had some good wins at the beginning of the season but if OU gets in I don’t see why OK St shouldn’t
Edit: okay maybe not I didn’t realize how low their RPI is. Was expecting it to at least be Top 50 but it’s 88
Edit: okay maybe not I didn’t realize how low their RPI is. Was expecting it to at least be Top 50 but it’s 88
Who is to say that if they scheduled 3 more tournament caliber teams that they wouldnt have 3 more losses which would kill their resume? Anyone campaigning for Nebraska just sees 22 wins and a good P5 conference record, there is more to it than that. Their unbalanced conference schedule clearly allowed them to pad their win total further with Rutgers x2, Wisconsin x2, and PSU x2, Illinois x2. Nothing against those programs but PSU is the only one of those 4 that is even in contention for a bid (likely just outside of the bubble), the other 3 are not even in NIT consideration. They are a textbook paper tiger and the one thing the committee has always consistently punished teams for is weak non conference and lack of quality wins, they are not going to suddenly make an exception here. Nebraska had their chance to make a statement at the B1G tournament and were unceremoniously dismissed by 19 points, so its not as if they didnt have a chance to make up for resume blemishes.
15 of Nebraska's 22 wins were against Sub-150 teams. 1-6 verse top 50, 3-3 vs 51-100. They're a decent team, but they hardly bring a compelling resume to the table.
I think if OSU beats OU they will probably be in. That game will give Trae Young one last chance to shine as a Sooner and if they don't win there is no way they will get in.
However, if ISU wins the Big 12 Tourney they get the auto bid and really ruin someones season.
Oklahoma State is 88th in the RPI. That's just never been in at-large selection territory. They need to get that at least into the 70-74 range, which will take at least a couple wins.
I wouldn't say they are a lock for 8. Texas, K-State, Baylor, and Oklahoma are probably all sweatin' pretty good going into the conference tourney and Okie State probably needs to beat Oklahoma and Kansas again to get in, at least.
Plenty of basketball left to be played but I would be very surprised if 2 of OU, Tex, BU, and KSU are leapfrogged by that many teams at this stage of the season. OSU clearly still has work to do, but a 3-0 record over KU would be impossible to keep out. Texas/OSU loser is probably out, but if no one else steps up and Texas loses I think there is a clear path to 90%.
Obviously Im biased but OSU is a great case of demonstrating how the RPI sucks.
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All of our RPI factors contribute to an RPI ranking of less than 50 other than 1 factor...
Non Conference Strength of Schedule which ranks 306!
Which obviously looks horrid and contributes to dropping our RPI from what could be 35-50 to 87!
Our Non-Conference Opponents SOS IMPACT OPPONENT SOS RPI
Pepperdine 333
Charlotte 334
Oral Roberts 293
Texas A&M 57
Pittsburgh 285
Houston Baptist 346
Austin Peay 156
MVSU 344
Wichita State 12
Florida State 63
Tulsa 85
UT Rio Grande 214
So as you can see we played about 4 of our 12 games vs Top 100 SOS impact teams. And what most would consider quality teams.
Then there is Pittsburgh who you would normally expect to be decent as an ACC team and go about .500 in conference. Instead they have their worst year ever and it's killing us.
Then you have the cupcakes, the teams every P5 program faces. But instead of them being ranked in the 150-275 range. We have 2 of those (Rio Grande and Austin Peay).
Then we have 5 teams that are killing our SOS RPI factor and ultimately our RPI! They ofcourse are cupcakes and not very good teams but you wouldn't expect so many of them to be hurting us this much including Pittsburgh.
Charlotte, Pepperdine, Oral Roberts all have had respectable and tournament teams in the last 10 years (may need to fact check).
Just a weird deal and if those 5 cupcake games (ones that we went undefeated in) are the reason we are left out it just shows how stupid the RPI metric is.
5-10 Quandrant 1
4-3 Quandrant 2
1-0 Quandrant 3
7-0 Quandrant 4
All of our RPI factors contribute to an RPI ranking of less than 50 other than 1 factor...
Non Conference Strength of Schedule which ranks 306!
Which obviously looks horrid and contributes to dropping our RPI from what could be 35-50 to 87!
Our Non-Conference Opponents SOS IMPACT OPPONENT SOS RPI
Pepperdine 333
Charlotte 334
Oral Roberts 293
Texas A&M 57
Pittsburgh 285
Houston Baptist 346
Austin Peay 156
MVSU 344
Wichita State 12
Florida State 63
Tulsa 85
UT Rio Grande 214
So as you can see we played about 4 of our 12 games vs Top 100 SOS impact teams. And what most would consider quality teams.
Then there is Pittsburgh who you would normally expect to be decent as an ACC team and go about .500 in conference. Instead they have their worst year ever and it's killing us.
Then you have the cupcakes, the teams every P5 program faces. But instead of them being ranked in the 150-275 range. We have 2 of those (Rio Grande and Austin Peay).
Then we have 5 teams that are killing our SOS RPI factor and ultimately our RPI! They ofcourse are cupcakes and not very good teams but you wouldn't expect so many of them to be hurting us this much including Pittsburgh.
Charlotte, Pepperdine, Oral Roberts all have had respectable and tournament teams in the last 10 years (may need to fact check).
Just a weird deal and if those 5 cupcake games (ones that we went undefeated in) are the reason we are left out it just shows how stupid the RPI metric is.
Nebraska shouldn’t get in. Don’t listen to their fans. They just started watching about 4 weeks ago, and have no idea how any of this works.
I think pretty much every one agrees with you. Many of us have been railing on the RPI for over a decade. It's completely asinine.
However, it's still factored in quite heavily. So it's your own programs fault for not gaming it to your advantage.
And I get mad at FSU/Coach Hamilton for this nearly every season...
Won't try to place lipstick on a pig, but when teams like Illinois State, at 17-15, have a higher RPI than teams the Huskers beat like Penn State or Boston College, its kind of a laughable standard.
I know what you mean. Boston College, with their 17-14 record, should obviously be waaaaaaay higher!
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