Brad Stevens-One Of The Best Basketball Coaches Ever At Any Level!

[dtgold88]

Reading comprehension still not a strong suit of yours I see. I said people are treating this Celtics team like the tank era 76ers. When in fact they are a super talented team, even with injuries.
Tatum has been excellent. I'd say his development along with Rozier is gonna give Ainge some real interesting scenarios to make a move this summer.



LOL. Mark Jackson had them stalled out and losing early in the playoffs and Kerr comes in and they revolutionize the NBA. Curry was a small injury prone guard. Thompson was only a catch and shoot guy. Green was a second round bench guy. Even before Durant came in and ruined the NBA for every other team Kerr turned them around into a championship team from day one. If you are gonna give Stevens credit for his players improving Kerr sure as he deserves some for the improvements their whole team has made.
If that team was as good as everyone seems to believe it was when he took over Mark Jackson would have never have been fired to begin with.

does Kerr deserve "some" sure....but who are the 2 MVPs Stevens has at his disposal?

Possible GS "stalls out" had Love and Kyrie not been injured in Finals and not come upon the fortune of Durant coming aboard?

And how to explain not missing a beat with Walton and Brown?

 

[bignish]

LOL. Mark Jackson had them stalled out and losing early in the playoffs and Kerr comes in and they revolutionize the NBA. Curry was a small injury prone guard. Thompson was only a catch and shoot guy. Green was a second round bench guy. Even before Durant came in and ruined the NBA for every other team Kerr turned them around into a championship team from day one. If you are gonna give Stevens credit for his players improving Kerr sure as he deserves some for the improvements their whole team has made.
If that team was as good as everyone seems to believe it was when he took over Mark Jackson would have never have been fired to begin with.

GS had a 51-31 record with Mark Jackson the year prior as the coach before Kerr even became HC. Steph was averaging 24 PPG and Klay was averaging 18 PPG. These 2 were already well on the cusp of being top 5 players at their positions.

I do credit Kerr for adding some wrinkles and reworking their offensive system to maximize their talents but this isn't exactly the development of Terry Rozier, Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Jaylen Brown, etc. we're talking about here.

 

[bignish]

I'll ask again (and if answered my apologies)....how is he so much different than Casey?

Neither has gotten past Lebron as of yet
Neither has been to the Finals
Each has been a #1 seed
Casey has ONLY lost to Lebron, while Stevens also lost to Atlanta

I'm using predictive analysis based on Stevens Xs & Os acumen and player development to say that he will indeed beat Lebron and make the Finals either this year or next.

Casey never stood a chance; his in-game adjustments are poor and his players aren't as talented and never developed that killer mentality.

Look at how Stevens' players that the Celtics drafted or acquired developed:

IT3: backup guard in Phoenix to top 5 MVP candidate
Jae Crowder: a nobody on the Mavs to a solid 3 and D player
Avery Bradley: 19th pick in 1st round to starting caliber SG
Kyrie Irving: his most efficient shooting and best defensive year
Aaron Baynes: disappointment in Detroit to a great defensive big
Terry Rozier: 1st Round pick to starting level playoff PG
Jaylen Brown and Tatum: exceeded expectations and poised to become stars in the NBA

 

[dtgold88]

I'm using predictive analysis based on Stevens Xs & Os acumen and player development to say that he will indeed beat Lebron and make the Finals either this year or next.

Casey never stood a chance; his in-game adjustments are poor and his players aren't as talented and never developed that killer mentality.

Look at how Stevens' players that the Celtics drafted or acquired developed:

IT3: backup guard in Phoenix to top 5 MVP candidate
Jae Crowder: a nobody on the Mavs to a solid 3 and D player
Avery Bradley: 19th pick in 1st round to starting caliber SG
Kyrie Irving: his most efficient shooting and best defensive year
Aaron Baynes: disappointment in Detroit to a great defensive big
Terry Rozier: 1st Round pick to starting level playoff PG
Jaylen Brown and Tatum: exceeded expectations and poised to become stars in the NBA

OK. All that and still this......

Neither has gotten past Lebron as of yet
Neither has been to the Finals
Each has been a #1 seed
Casey has ONLY lost to Lebron, while Stevens also lost to Atlanta

Derozan and especially Lowry weren't picked all that high....and they are All stars. Brown and Tatum are top 3 picks aren't they?

All you have is what you think MIGHT happen. If the Cavs knock out the Cs again this year, then what?

Never mind even without Kyrie/Heyward, Boston has the better roster.

 

[bignish]

OK. All that and still this......

Neither has gotten past Lebron as of yet
Neither has been to the Finals
Each has been a #1 seed
Casey has ONLY lost to Lebron, while Stevens also lost to Atlanta

Stevens' roster 2 years ago was still young and developing while the Hawks had veterans like Teague, Korver, Millsap and Horford.

Stevens will get his shot to get past King James this year or next and you can bet your bottom dollar that he will fare better than Casey did even with the roster this year.

The Celtics will take the Cavs to at least 6 games this year barring any new major injuries. I"ll change my avatar to a LBJ one if the Cavs sweep or win in 5.

Deal?

 

[dtgold88]

Stevens' roster 2 years ago was still young and developing while the Hawks had veterans like Teague, Korver, Millsap and Horford.

Stevens will get his shot to get past King James this year or next and you can bet your bottom dollar that he will fare better than Casey did even with the roster this year.

The Celtics will take the Cavs to at least 6 games this year barring any new major injuries. I"ll change my avatar to a LBJ one if the Cavs sweep or win in 5.

Deal?

If you want I wont stop you.

Certainly possible the Cs get by the Cavs, but for this discussion it has yet to happen and this still stands....

Neither has gotten past Lebron as of yet
Neither has been to the Finals
Each has been a #1 seed
Casey has ONLY lost to Lebron, while Stevens also lost to Atlanta

And I have no doubt if Stevens does go down to the Cavs the narrative will be how great he is because he lost 2 key pieces. He will take no blame. I would argue even without those 2, the Cs roster is better than Toronto, and I'm not really sure it's close.

 

[bignish]

And I have no doubt if Stevens does go down to the Cavs the narrative will be how great he is because he lost 2 key pieces. He will take no blame. I would argue even without those 2, the Cs roster is better than Toronto, and I'm not really sure it's close.

Wait how? Lowry and DeRozan should have a big edge at the guard position over Rozier and Smart and Valanciunas is better than Baynes/Monroe by quite a bit.

Horford is a lot better than Ibaka at this stage and Tatum has the edge over Anunoby.

The Raptors bench is better though. Van Vleet and Wright>>>Shane Larkin and Poetl is a better backup center than Monroe at this stage imo.

Where are you getting that Toronto is lacking in talent?

 

[dtgold88]

Wait how? Lowry and DeRozan should have a big edge at the guard position over Rozier and Smart and Valanciunas is better than Baynes/Monroe by quite a bit.

Horford is a lot better than Ibaka at this stage and Tatum has the edge over Anunoby.

The Raptors bench is better though. Van Vleet and Wright>>>Shane Larkin and Poetl is a better backup center than Monroe at this stage imo.

Where are you getting that Toronto is lacking in talent?

Let me ask you this. If you put both teams in a pool and did a draft, how would it go? Based on this season?

Horford would be my first pick. Derozan probably goes 2. I might take Tatum next, but we can say Lowry at 3. I'd go Tatum and Brown 4 and 5. so 3 Raptors in the top 5.

After that? I'd say Valanciunas, Smart, Rozier then Ibaka or Morris.

so 5 of top 8 are Celtics. Arguably 6 of 9, at worse 5 of 9. would it be different for you?

 

[unc1012]

Stevens is impressive. It pains me to say it, but Coach K is even better.

 

[AWilli6995]

Stevens is impressive. It pains me to say it, but Coach K is even better.

It doesn’t pain me to call you a troll.

 

[JimboBBN]

Stevens is impressive. It pains me to say it, but Coach K is even better.

How did you end up with this comparison?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

If you want I wont stop you.

Certainly possible the Cs get by the Cavs, but for this discussion it has yet to happen and this still stands....

Neither has gotten past Lebron as of yet
Neither has been to the Finals
Each has been a #1 seed
Casey has ONLY lost to Lebron, while Stevens also lost to Atlanta

And I have no doubt if Stevens does go down to the Cavs the narrative will be how great he is because he lost 2 key pieces. He will take no blame. I would argue even without those 2, the Cs roster is better than Toronto, and I'm not really sure it's close.

1. How much blame do you give Casey for losing to the Cavs?

2. What will your narrative be if the Celtics get by LeBron?

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Stevens is impressive. It pains me to say it, but Coach K is even better.

Solid first post.

 

[dtgold88]

1. How much blame do you give Casey for losing to the Cavs?

2. What will your narrative be if the Celtics get by LeBron?

1. Not much....Cavs are much better than Toronto, who really has only 1-2 players they need to care about

2. at first would have given him major props, but that was thinking the cavs had the better team. I'll reluctantly say I'm not so sure about that as, while Lebron is obviously the best player on the court, I'd say 6 of the next 7 are Celtics.

The "more with less" narrative looks more and more foolish every time that team plays. That's just selling the players short.

Notice I have no problem answering direct questions? Not saying you do, but none of the Lue is the worst and "Stevens is the Best Coach ever" crew can explain how Lue and the cavs hung 127 per with avg. defeat of 30 ppg in the 3 games in Boston for last year's ECF.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

1. Not much....Cavs are much better than Toronto, who really has only 1-2 players they need to care about

2. at first would have given him major props, but that was thinking the cavs had the better team. I'll reluctantly say I'm not so sure about that as, while Lebron is obviously the best player on the court, I'd say 6 of the next 7 are Celtics.

The "more with less" narrative looks more and more foolish every time that team plays. That's just selling the players short.

Notice I have no problem answering direct questions? Not saying you do, but none of the Lue is the worst and "Stevens is the Best Coach ever" crew can explain how Lue and the cavs hung 127 per with avg. defeat of 30 ppg in the 3 games in Boston for last year's ECF.

1. So you mock people that won’t blame Stevens but yet you admittedly don’t blame Casey?

2. So will you give Stevens due credit or will you move the goalposts? The thing you keep copy and pasting is that neither has made the finals and neither has beat Lebron. If Boston wins this series will you come up with more ways to discredit Stevens or tip your cap?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

And I don’t even follow the nba that much, so I probably won’t answer questions if you ask me them. I just find it so weird how intent you are on putting an asterisk next to Stevens’ accomplishments. It’s like he banged your wife or something.

 

[dtgold88]

1. So you mock people that won’t blame Stevens but yet you admittedly don’t blame Casey?

2. So will you give Stevens due credit or will you move the goalposts? The thing you keep copy and pasting is that neither has made the finals and neither has beat Lebron. If Boston wins this series will you come up with more ways to discredit Stevens or tip your cap?

1. when have I mocked anyone for not blaming Stevens? The point is to put it on the players. Lue should not be ridiculed now, like Stevens should not have been ridiculed for their disaster last year. do you recall anyone ridiculing Stevens for what was probably a worse showing last year, like they do Lue this year?

2. Stevens for sure gets credit... I've never not given him his due. You do get what "up to this point" meant, right? Does everyone struggle with either memory or comprehension on this issue and miss the many times I've said I think he's a very good to exceptional coach? And if they get by the Cavs that would change things?

Yes, I guess I've moved the goalposts a little, as I now do think Boston is more talented than I had wanted to believe. Do you disagree, or you thinking the Cavs' roster is better?

Once again, I note, I answered all your questions. will you answer mine this time?

As to your other post...yeah, almost like many posters were knocked out in an alley by Lue, right?

Never mind it's all negative towards him, but I will remind you - again - I think stevens is a very good to exceptional coach.

 

[bignish]

1. when have I mocked anyone for not blaming Stevens? The point is to put it on the players. Lue should not be ridiculed now, like Stevens should not have been ridiculed for their disaster last year. do you recall anyone ridiculing Stevens for what was probably a worse showing last year, like they do Lue this year?

Stevens still won 1 game vs a stacked Cavs team last year with a mediocre roster.

Why aren't you addressing my points about in game management where Stevens excels at Lue blows at? Lue not playing Korver more minutes in Game 2 when he was hot was criminal.

2. Stevens for sure gets credit... I've never not given him his due. You do get what "up to this point" meant, right? Does everyone struggle with either memory or comprehension on this issue and miss the many times I've said I think he's a very good to exceptional coach? And if they get by the Cavs that would change things?

Yes, I guess I've moved the goalposts a little, as I now do think Boston is more talented than I had wanted to believe. Do you disagree, or you thinking the Cavs' roster is better?

Once again, I note, I answered all your questions. will you answer mine this time?

As to your other post...yeah, almost like many posters were knocked out in an alley by Lue, right?

Never mind it's all negative towards him, but I will remind you - again - I think stevens is a very good to exceptional coach.

We're saying Stevens is a much better coach than Lue. This cannot honestly be debatable.

 

[dtgold88]

Stevens still won 1 game vs a stacked Cavs team last year with a mediocre roster.

Why aren't you addressing my points about in game management where Stevens excels at Lue blows at? Lue not playing Korver more minutes in Game 2 when he was hot was criminal.


We're saying Stevens is a much better coach than Lue. This cannot honestly be debatable.

Not sure it's in you to admit a gaffe but we'll find out. Cavs won Game 1 last year 117-104. Mediocre roster? with the #1 seed in the East?

did you not see Korver when he came out? The guy was gassed and needed a break. Your proof here of anything is a 37-year old who made 4 shots in the game came out?

It's funny everyone cries about Lue's 3rd quarters and forgets in Game 1 they trimmed a 28 point lead to 14. Let me guess, it was the players. But when the lead was built back up it was Lue.

what's to address? You are typical Blame the Coach Guy and blame the coach for anything that goes wrong, and credit the players when things go well. Opposite true for a coach you like.

Stevens teams were practically raped in Boston last year in the ECF, giving up 127 per and losing by an average of 30 per game. what happened to Stevens' in game management in those games?

you want to say it's the players? I agree, but it's weird even though the Cs probably have 6 of the top 8 players in this series, you wont allow the same excuse for Lue. Never mind the games were closer than Stevens made them in Boston last year.