Big 10 is gonna suck again.

[kyjeff1]

Of course it was flawed. At the start of the season, most of us were expecting anywhere from a 4 or 5 seed. Our Freshman were revelations that pushed us to a 1. Yes, Edey improved as well, but his play alone wasn't getting us a 1 seed.

You haven't burst anything. You just don't know this team like I do. I watch every game. I read about what's going on in the locker room, injury reports, etc. I'm invested. Your take is just wrong.

No, I don't know that team the way you do, but from an outsiders perspective, I saw a team that had average guard, wing and pf talent and an extremely dominant guy at the 5 that rarely got neutralized.

I saw a team that ran almost their entire offensive scheme through that one guy and I knew long before the tournament started that Purdue wasn't going anywhere. That’s not the type of team that wins in college basketball. Eventually someone was going to make someone else beat them and while I never would have predicted they would lose to a 16 seed, I wasn't shocked when it happened.

 

[kyjeff1]

FDU was( I think), the smallest team in the field...No one over 6'7". It should have started with Edey and ended with Edey. Dude should have had 30/20. How he only got 11 shots is mindboggling....That team started...

6"3"
5'9"
5'8"
6'4"
6'6"

FDU was only in b/c Merrimack was ineligble for the NCAAT

I can't tell you how many times UK had the tallest and longest team in the country, but would lose to smaller teams because their offense wasn't good enough and they couldn't stop dribble penetration or the 3 ball.

In today's game, you have to be able to score efficiently and Purdue didn’t have that beyond Edey, he was the guy and FD figured out how to keep Purdue's guards from getting him the ball. Pressure the guards and make them play uncomfortably.

The fact that the worst 16 seed out of the 4, who also happened to be extremely small, beat a team with Zach Edey on it, back my point up. It was Edey and a bunch of Joes, the Joes simply weren't good enough.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Uh….both were very, very relevant to the outcome.

Sure----I mean you shoot better, you probably win---On the other hand, IF FDU shoots better as well......................??---I mean they shot 38% overall----and won. With midgets.

 

[Boilermaker03]

FDU was( I think), the smallest team in the field...No one over 6'7". It should have started with Edey and ended with Edey. Dude should have had 30/20. How he only got 11 shots is mindboggling....That team started...

6"3"
5'9"
5'8"
6'4"
6'6"

FDU was only in b/c Merrimack was ineligble for the NCAAT

Because they allowed teams to push up on him, so they would just surround him body to body. He couldn't move. All we had to do was hit a wide open 3 but we couldn't.

 

[Boilermaker03]

100% agree, good post.

I know what it's like, I used to wear some thick ass blue goggles, but the 2nd leg of the John Calipari era has changed me to the point where I view UK from the outside in and I see what wins in college basketball right now. It’s just a different game than it used to be.

But like I said earlier, I'm not trying to be a dick, but sometimes that doesn't translate well through text.

I never took anything you said as being a dick. I also can understand your take from an outsiders perspective. I just don't agree with my knowledge of the team.

 

[Boilermaker03]

No, I don't know that team the way you do, but from an outsiders perspective, I saw a team that had average guard, wing and pf talent and an extremely dominant guy at the 5 that rarely got neutralized.

I saw a team that ran almost their entire offensive scheme through that one guy and I knew long before the tournament started that Purdue wasn't going anywhere. That’s not the type of team that wins in college basketball. Eventually someone was going to make someone else beat them and while I never would have predicted they would lose to a 16 seed, I wasn't shocked when it happened.

Well that's what ended up happening down the stretch as our shooting became worse for sure. Early in the season that wasn't the case though. That's why we blew out Duke and Gonzaga.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Because they allowed teams to push up on him, so they would just surround him body to body. He couldn't move. All we had to do was hit a wide open 3 but we couldn't.

If a 6'6" 201 pound- dude is moving a 7'4" 310 pound dude----there's a problem. Edey had 21/15....I find it hard to believe that FDU, a team with no one over 6'6", is the team that figured out how to defend Edey.

I love Painter, but I htink he made a mistake there.

 

[kyjeff1]

Because they allowed teams to push up on him, so they would just surround him body to body. He couldn't move. All we had to do was hit a wide open 3 but we couldn't.

But that's exactly what the fans of every single team say after they lose.
The teams that are still standing vertical in the FF, are the ones that are sound at all aspects of the game.

 

[Boilermaker03]

If a 6'6" 201 pound- dude is moving a 7'4" 310 pound dude----there's a problem. Edey had 21/15....I find it hard to believe that FDU, a team with no one over 6'6", is the team that figured out how to defend Edey.

I love Painter, but I htink he made a mistake there.

I didn't say they were moving him. I said they were bodying up on him, not allowing him to move once he had the ball.

 

[Boilermaker03]

But that's exactly what the fans of every single team say after they lose.
The teams that are still standing vertical in the FF, are the ones that are sound at all aspects of the game.

Unfortunately, in this game, it was painfully true. We missed 21 three point shots. About 12-15 of those, our player was wide open because they were double and triple teaming Edey and he passed out.

 

[boilerzz]

But that's exactly what the fans of every single team say after they lose.
The teams that are still standing vertical in the FF, are the ones that are sound at all aspects of the game.

There also can be an element of good fortune involved. Florida Atlantic should've lost in the first round to Memphis and ended up in the Final Four. SDSU could've easily lost to Creighton in the Sweet 16 and did as well.

 

[Sparty_57]

There also can be an element of good fortune involved. Florida Atlantic should've lost in the first round to Memphis and ended up in the Final Four. SDSU could've easily lost to Creighton in the Sweet 16 and did as well.

Painter and Company have lost to three double-digit teams in a row. Something is not right there in Purdue land regarding March Madness.

 

[kyjeff1]

Unfortunately, in this game, it was painfully true. We missed 21 three point shots. About 12-15 of those, our player was wide open because they were double and triple teaming Edey and he passed out.

Same thing happened to Kentucky against K-State. Reeves crushed Providence from the outside just 2 days earlier, then went 1-15 against KSU.

Then, back in 2010, there was the John Wall, Eric Bledsoe and Demarcus Cousins team that went something like 2-32 from 3 and got beat by West Virginia. That hurt.

There's no way that team should lose like that, but, Wva played a 1-3-1 and made a bad 3pt shootimg team take 3's.

 

[kyjeff1]

There also can be an element of good fortune involved. Florida Atlantic should've lost in the first round to Memphis and ended up in the Final Four. SDSU could've easily lost to Creighton in the Sweet 16 and did as well.

Yeah, I get that, but Memphis and Creighton weren’t 15 loss 16 seeds, they were much better teams with size. FDU only got in because the team that won their conference tournament wasn't eligible.

Purdue had a huge advantage in the paint, their backcourt is what lost them the game, they didn't do the job once Edey was taken out.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Painter and Company have lost to three double-digit teams in a row. Something is not right there in Purdue land regarding March Madness.

I don't totally disagree, but I've been saying for a while, a lot of these low seed non power 5 teams going far in the tournament is due to the extra covid years players were allowed to have. That will end here soon.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I don't totally disagree, but I've been saying for a while, a lot of these low seed non power 5 teams going far in the tournament is due to the extra covid years players were allowed to have. That will end here soon.

So only midmajors benefit from this?

There aren't really any good excuses for losing to a 16 seed that wasn't even good by 16 seed standards.

 

[Boilermaker03]

So only midmajors benefit from this?

There aren't really any good excuses for losing to a 16 seed that wasn't even good by 16 seed standards.

I'm not making any excuses. I've been saying the same thing since last couple NCAA tournaments before losing to a 16 seed. It's just the reality. In fact, you can see an increase in lover seed teams moving farther in the tournament the farther away form Covid (2019) we get.

 

[boilerzz]

Painter and Company have lost to three double-digit teams in a row. Something is not right there in Purdue land regarding March Madness.

Last year is the only one that was super questionable IMO. Just an inexcusable outcome. Some guys looked afraid to shoot late after lighting it up early in the year which played right into FDU's hands.

The team that lost to North Texas candidly wasn't very good. Grant McCasland is a hell of a coach IMO and NTSU started 4 seniors and a junior. The 2022 team caught St Peters on a heater and riding a wave of emotion and a crowd very much in their favor in the S16. Add that our lottery pick guard turned it over 6 times and only hit 4 shots and it was a recipe for history. It happens.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Last year is the only one that was super questionable IMO. Just an inexcusable outcome. Some guys looked afraid to shoot late after lighting it up early in the year which played right into FDU's hands.

The team that lost to North Texas candidly wasn't very good. Grant McCasland is a hell of a coach IMO and NTSU started 4 seniors and a junior. The 2022 team caught St Peters on a heater and riding a wave of emotion and a crowd very much in their favor in the S16. Add that our lottery pick guard turned it over 6 times and only hit 4 shots and it was a recipe for history. It happens.

All decent midmajors start a bunch of juniors/seniors.

There's more parity than ever, and midmajors have narrowed the gap. But losing to a 16, 15 and 13 in three straight years is a pretty troubling trend.

 

[boilerzz]

All decent midmajors start a bunch of juniors/seniors.

There's more parity than ever, and midmajors have narrowed the gap. But losing to a 16, 15 and 13 in three straight years is a pretty troubling trend.

Oh, for sure.

I'll add one thing. Purdue was a 1 seed last year in large part because they won the PK85 over some big names and then cruised thru a mediocre B1G. Over it's last dozen games, Purdue was just 7-5 and had the 30th best efficiency rank according to Bart Torvik. We weren't playing anything like a 1 seed entering the tournament. Our guards were banged up and a couple of our wings hadn't shot the ball well in more than a month.

 

[Boilermaker03]

All decent midmajors start a bunch of juniors/seniors.

There's more parity than ever, and midmajors have narrowed the gap. But losing to a 16, 15 and 13 in three straight years is a pretty troubling trend.

Yes, but when Seniors become super seniors, there's going to be a major advantage. Guy's don't peak generally until their mid 20's. That's what you're getting with 6th year seniors.

Guys at 23-25 years old are going to have an advantage over guys 18-20 years old.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Yes, but when Seniors become super seniors, there's going to be a major advantage. Guy's don't peak generally until their mid 20's. That's what you're getting with 6th year seniors.

Guys at 23-25 years old are going to have an advantage over guys 18-20 years old.

I'm pretty sure that, given the choice, you wouldn't choose a roster of 23 year old 2 stars over a roster full of top 100 20 year olds.

 

[Sparty_57]

Yeah, I get that, but Memphis and Creighton weren’t 15 loss 16 seeds, they were much better teams with size. FDU only got in because the team that won their conference tournament wasn't eligible.

Purdue had a huge advantage in the paint, their backcourt is what lost them the game, they didn't do the job once Edey was taken out.

Edey didn't take a shot in the last nine minutes when the game was tied. WTF?

 

[boilerzz]

Edey didn't take a shot in the last nine minutes when the game was tied. WTF?

They were essentially triple teaming him and daring our other players to shoot and they hit only 2 of 14 threes in the last 19+ minutes. Most of those were wide open looks.

 

[kyjeff1]

Yes, but when Seniors become super seniors, there's going to be a major advantage. Guy's don't peak generally until their mid 20's. That's what you're getting with 6th year seniors.

Guys at 23-25 years old are going to have an advantage over guys 18-20 years old.

And we're going to see the same thing this year. In fact, this might be the oldest college ball has ever been.

 

[kyjeff1]

Edey didn't take a shot in the last nine minutes when the game was tied. WTF?

I just swallowed my gum… ..WHAT???

 

[kyjeff1]

They were essentially triple teaming him and daring our other players to shoot and they hit only 2 of 14 threes in the last 19+ minutes. Most of those were wide open looks.

Yeah, but didn't every team in the BIG try that approach with bigger players?

This is what I have been saying though. The surrounding cast looked like a bunch of Joe's from the local YMCA. Why Matt couldn't surround Edey with better guards, wings and 4's, is beyond me. He did a terrible job with roster construction.

 

[IUfanBorden]

They were essentially triple teaming him and daring our other players to shoot and they hit only 2 of 14 threes in the last 19+ minutes. Most of those were wide open looks.

And for a reason...

No excuse that a 7'4", 310 POY, gets ZERO shots the last 8+, versus a team who's tallest player was 6'6"...

Again---I LOVE MP, but he dropped the ball. Ya gotta get the big fella the ball/shots.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I don't totally disagree, but I've been saying for a while, a lot of these low seed non power 5 teams going far in the tournament is due to the extra covid years players were allowed to have. That will end here soon.

This applies to everyone

 

[IUfanBorden]

Yes, but when Seniors become super seniors, there's going to be a major advantage. Guy's don't peak generally until their mid 20's. That's what you're getting with 6th year seniors.

Guys at 23-25 years old are going to have an advantage over guys 18-20 years old.

Ok, Calipari...

Look ya'll lost to a team that shouldn't have even been in the NCAAT. They freaking lost in conference title game, but got in because Merrimack was not eligible.

Shot bad....turnovers, whatever---That team's tallest dude was 6'6"----You had 7'4", 310# Zach Edey---Who weighed more than FDU's entire backcourt...

And lost.

I tried to be nice, here----But for ****s sake. "We shot bad from three"---OK---so did FDU. **** they shot 37% overall, bruh. You outrebounded them by 9....WHich, WTF---9? They started 5 guards.

24 year olds,,,,shot bad....they tripled Edey.....So what. So did Indiana. Oh, nevermind...

Anyways----Just a horrible loss.

 

[Boilermaker03]

I'm pretty sure that, given the choice, you wouldn't choose a roster of 23 year old 2 stars over a roster full of top 100 20 year olds.

Not to win it all, no, of course not. But that's not what I'm saying.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Yeah, but didn't every team in the BIG try that approach with bigger players?

This is what I have been saying though. The surrounding cast looked like a bunch of Joe's from the local YMCA. Why Matt couldn't surround Edey with better guards, wings and 4's, is beyond me. He did a terrible job with roster construction.

Not totally. They'd foul the shit out of him, but they didn't surround him like FDU did.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Ok, Calipari...

Look ya'll lost to a team that shouldn't have even been in the NCAAT. They freaking lost in conference title game, but got in because Merrimack was not eligible.

Shot bad....turnovers, whatever---That team's tallest dude was 6'6"----You had 7'4", 310# Zach Edey---Who weighed more than FDU's entire backcourt...

And lost.

I tried to be nice, here----But for ****s sake. "We shot bad from three"---OK---so did FDU. **** they shot 37% overall, bruh. You outrebounded them by 9....WHich, WTF---9? They started 5 guards.

24 year olds,,,,shot bad....they tripled Edey.....So what. So did Indiana. Oh, nevermind...

Anyways----Just a horrible loss.

The reality is, that Purdue team far exceeded expectations. Going into the season most thought we'd be a 4 seed. Our shooters failed at their jobs down the stretch. For whatever reason. Talent, from a recruiting stand point, was some of the best we've had under Painter, but they couldn't hit the broad side of the barn.

Yes, horrible loss, but Virginia's loss was still much worse.

 

[Boilermaker03]

And we're going to see the same thing this year. In fact, this might be the oldest college ball has ever been.

Yes, I think you're right.