That’s part of what I've been saying, other than Edey, there wasn’t a single player that stuck out. I didn’t see anyone that could create their own basket.
You can downplay his importance as much as you want. Fact is, without him, Purdue is probably a 10+ loss team. Dude is that good, and that dominant--and changes every single dynamic of the opponent when on the floor.
Just looked up is OBPM----it was 12.8---average was 4.8. Thats an insance percentage. For comparison, TJD was 10.5. Even more, Kevin Durants was 7.7
That's not true. However, you're forgetting that it's Purdue. When we made the E8, the only person that could consistently get their own shot was Edwards. Painter has always done more with less.
And? That doesn't say anything about how a team will be without that player. Teams adjust. People step up. Purdue, believe it or not, has more talent on this team than any of Painter's past teams other than the baby Boilers.
Purdue had 10 wins of 5pts or less, you think without Edey they win those? How many?
You're asking me to speculate on how many wins and losses we'd have with a completely different team and style. I can't say. I'm sure there are some we'd lose that we did win, but I think it's more than fair to say that some that we lost we could have won just because we'd be better defensively, etc.
Take a guess. What style is different without Edey? Maybe shoot outside more? Think that results in some wins? Less efficient inside? Is edey worth 5+pts or no?
I doubt we'd shoot outside more. We shot a lot from the outside. TKR was very effective on the post. He only played 11 min per game. We'd be much less susceptible to teams that can shoot the 3 from the 5.
Ummmm actually, it does. Also his WS was like 18----second only to TJD(23). His DOBM(defense) was 2.1----which is also crazy.
Meh, IDK about that. Edwards was unstoppable throughout that tournament run, that was more about the player than the coach. All Painter had to do was tell the rest of the team to get him the ball.
I'm not saying they'd be the same team without him. I'm just saying the idea that we'd drop from a 1 seed to out of the tournament by losing one player is absurd.
When you have a big slow 5 guarding them sofly so you don't get driven to the basket, yes they do. In fact it's the reason we had close games and the reason why we lost some of those over the last 3 years with Edey. Losses to Michigan several times directly due to Dickinson going wild from 3. Just about every team I can think of that we've played had their 5 shoot 3's on us because they were open. I can't tell you how many times I heard the announcer say something like, that guy's only his 4 3's all season and he just made 3 tonight, with much of the game to play still.
I never suggested that Edwards didn't deserve it. My point was that Purdue team only had one guy that could consistently get his shot and we made the E8, probably should have made the FF if a miracle didn't happen. This team has more talent than that team. If you remove the top player from each this one would win IMO.
You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't think you have a very good grasp of what this team would have been like if players like TKR would have had more minutes because Edey wasn't there.
In your losses last year centers were 1-4 from 3, that's between two games. This is an idiotic comment, you don't think you'd be much worse cause teams 5s wont shoot as many 3s? For fvcks sake.
Purdue went 16-15 in the 19/20 season with a better looking roster than what you would have had last year, minus Edey.
A guy who barely avgs 1 3pa/g is a large reason why Purdue's 3pt% is so low? So say on his 41 attempts last year he shot his 42.3%, that's 17.3 makes instead of 11. Raises your shooting percentage to rank around 200th at 33%.
That just goes to show that multiple guys scoring double digits doesn't mean you're winning. Most of those guys were underclassmen that year as well.
It's hard to believe because it's a major stretch. How many extra losses do you think Purdue has without Edey? Don't give me the total. I want to know how many more games you think they lose.
Yes, it was a bit of an overstatement to say it was one of the largest reasons, but it was a large reason. Furst went from a 42% 3 point shooter to a 27% shooter. Yes, there were others that shot poorly too, but he was a key guy we needed to shoot well. He didn't shoot as much because it got into his head that he couldn't hit. He passed up on several wide open looks because he didn't have confidence he'd make it.
The other thing you have to understand too is that we were a slow pace team because of Edey. If we didn't have him, we'd have played a faster tempo like we did with Edwards and Haarms.
But it’s not a stretch. Purdue got beat by a 16 seed. They took Edey out and nobody else could get the job done.
You didn't have the guards to do that. You had beloe average guards.
You're using one game as a reason to belittle an entire season. We shot something like 19% from 3 that game. If we just shot our average of 32%, we win quite easily. What adjustments should Painter have made? We were getting WIDE open looks but couldn't make them. To take one game and make that the example for a season is just ridiculous.
What?! No we didn't. Our PG is one of the best we've had under Painter other than Edwards. He was a Freshman, but he was light years better than anyone expected. In fact, I'd argue that we were a 1 seed and not a 4 because of our two Freshman guards. They were more than capable of pushing the tempo. Edey wasn't.
FD was a 15 loss team. If you aren’t hitting threes, you need to drive the ball, but Purdue didn’t have guys that could do that.
I never saw a guy that could get his own basket. Loyer averaged 4.4 apg, but damn, he was lobbing the ball into a dominant 7'4" center. You take Edey away and he isn't getting 4 apg.
You guys are going to go back-and-forth about this forever. At the end of the day, it’s just differing opinions.
You obviously didn't know much of anything about this team if you're making this statement.
Of course it was flawed. At the start of the season, most of us were expecting anywhere from a 4 or 5 seed. Our Freshman were revelations that pushed us to a 1. Yes, Edey improved as well, but his play alone wasn't getting us a 1 seed.
When Loyer and Smith became human, and you could see how to defend them,. and how they struggled with pressure---You just knew even as a 1-seed, Purdue was gonna be hard pressed to get of a regional---even past 2nd round.
FDU was( I think), the smallest team in the field...No one over 6'7". It should have started with Edey and ended with Edey. Dude should have had 30/20. How he only got 11 shots is mindboggling....That team started...
FDU shot 30% from three, and 38% overall.
100% agree, good post.
