2020-21 College Basketball Draft, FINAL STANDINGS
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Was wondering when he’d come off the board. Certainly has a high ceiling.
Dude is uber talented. Can do just about everything, except shoot well from distance. I think of him as a poor man's Ben Simmons.
@jwill133 is from the Duke board; I'm guessing he was hoping to get Johnson. But, fair is fair.
Thoughts on the pick? I was deciding between him and another player I’m more familiar with, but I know you guys are very high on him, and if he’s Duke’s best player I assume he’ll be successful in the post season awards.
Saw him in person last year, he played locally. Was impressed with his handle for someone his height.
I'll make my picks when I get to the office in the am, gotta take some time to do some research (i.e read those lists that were posted).
I feel like he's being overlooked a little bit. He was the #3 recruit by both Rivals and 247 at the end of his junior season. He missed most of his senior year, due to transferring a couple times, and then his national ranking started to plummet. Still a top 5 talent, IMO. There are some in the Duke camp that believe Matthew Hurt could be the most valuable contributor next season. No doubt in my mind that Johnson has the highest ceiling, however. And consider the fact that Duke has had an All-American in 20 of the past 23 seasons, yeah, I'd say Jalen Johnson is a pretty solid pick. Not a definite that he'll be the most valuable player, but if I were a betting man, I'd put it on him.
Well, damn. I really wanted this guy. I think he's going to be a star.
Don't go too far jwill, you'll be on the clock shortly after WeAreDePaul makes back-to-back picks.
Here are the draft results, thus far:
1st Round
1. Luka Garza, Iowa
2. Jared Butler. Baylor
3. Marcus Zegarowski, Creighton
4. Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State
5. Sam Hauser, Virginia
6. Collin Gillespie, Villanova
7. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
8. Marcus Garrett, Kansas
9. BJ Boston, Kentucky
10. Oscar Tshiebwe, West Virginia
2nd Round
11. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
12. Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
13. Garrison Brooks, North Carolina
14. Jalen Crutcher, Dayton
15. Keyonate Johnson, Florida
16. Remy Martin, Arizona State
17. Evan Mobley, USC
18. Jalen Johnson, Duke
19. James Bouknight, UConn
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I've just got to point out the semi-bizarre fact that Wojo had the last pick in the inaugural draft three years. He took Jevon Carter (West Virginia) and Jalen Brunson (Villanova) with the 10th and 11 picks. He gets the last first round pick, and the first second round pick this year... and he takes, well, two more guys from West Virginia and Villanova, respectively.
^One more little West Virginia-Villanova tidbit. I've posted a clip of Mikal Bridges meeting Sagaba Konate at the rim in a Sweet 16 matchup a few years ago. This was my favorite moment of the 2018 NCAA Tournament. The best shot-blocker in the country meets one of the most athletic and versatile players in the country.
I forgot who they were playing but mikel bridges absolutely hammered on someone that tourney......just not konote
Hate you. James Bouknight and now Drew Timme. I'm not revealing my top 150 anymore lol.
I’m ecstatic he fell to me. Gonzaga consistently has good big men who make all American teams and Timme seems next in line for them. I was debating between him and Jalen Johnson, but I ended up with both.
Yup. Gonzaga is very big-man oriented. They've had 7 All-Americans since 2013, and 5 of those guys were bigs (Petrusev, Rui, Brandon Clarke, Wiltjer, Olynyk). Timme could easily duplicate Petrusev's output from last year. My only concern with Gonzaga is they have such a talented starting five, I'm very uncertain on who will be the #1 or #2 guy. I feel like Timme should be the guy, simply because they have a good track record with bigs. But, it could just as well be Kispert, Suggs, or Ayayi. Gonzaga is a potential #1 team, so you figure they'll have at least 1 All-American this year. Very possible we could see two Zags make it.
Agreed 100%, and that was my biggest concern with taking him. I just simply am a huge fan of Timme’s outside of this draft too, and I believe in his talent. I wanted MSU to push for him far harder than we did, as we were pushing for Vernon Carey and Isaiah Stewart instead,
10/5 on good efficiency off the bench last year. I think we could see a 16/8 or so average for him and with the Zags being very good, he makes an All American team.
And that's what makes this draft so interesting. You have to factor in how a good player is, but you also have to weigh in on how good his team will be. Isaiah Stewart, Onyeka Okongwu, and Filip Petrusev had similar stats last year. The win shares were similar, as well. But, Petrusev was on the better team, so he got the All-American honors. And the difference between 3rd Team All-American and 1st Team All-Conference is substantial... But, it can also be a little risky taking someone off a talented team, because he might end up being the #3 or #4 option.
My strategy from last year has changed a bit. I’m trying to take good players from good teams in the earlier rounds instead of just most talented. My first few picks were purely trying to get them on all American teams. Then as the draft goes on I want to go for the best players on ok teams that could make some of their all conference teams.
Last year I took Isaiah Stewart and Lamine Diane way too high. I’d like to think I have a better grip on the drafting than the first year I did it.
Hail could get Franz with his 4th round pick instead but that could be risky, someone could snag him.
I’m actually a big Franz believer myself. I would take him before I would take Aaron Henry honestly. I think he’s going to score a lot of points and I’m suspect of Henry being a first option. I’m lower on Henry than you are DD but I think I’m higher on Rocket Watts.
Isn't Timme limited by the new scoring system considering the conference he plays in. You said it yourself, they will struggle to get 3 teams in the top 100. Doesn't that mean that a first team all conference in the WCC could be worth as little as 2 points? Puts a lot of pressure on Zags players to make AA teams instead which could be tough since there are several Zags players competing for that.
That's why I shyed away from Timme with my pick.
Or did I yet again misunderstand a rule in this league and **** up my draft like I do just about every year?
Yes he gets less points for conference awards but I think he has all American potential, that’s why I took him. It doesn’t affect the All American points. It’s a risky pick though, if he isn’t the Zags best player and I missed out and could have taken a guy like McKinley Wright, who will put up great stats this year for sure, then I’ll look pretty dumb.
could still be a great pick. Like you said, it's a risk. I just wanted to make sure I fully understood the risk when I passed him up. Sounds like I did. I have a history of screwing up this draft like 2 years ago when I only drafted guy who I felt were gonna win their conference DPOY cause I thought you got double points for All Conference and DPOY.
Best available according to @dukedevilz top 150 players
1. Aaron Henry, MSU
2. MaCio Teague, Baylor
3. McKinley Wright, Colorado
4. DJ Carton, Marquette
5. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
6. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
7. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
8. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
9. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
10. Matthew Hurt, Duke
Best available according to Three Man Weave
1. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
2. Trevion Williams, Purdue
3. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
4. Terrance Clark, UK
5. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
6. Aaron Henry, MSU
7. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
8. Caleb Love, UNC
9. MaCio Teague, Baylor
10. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
Best Available according to Hoop Chain
1. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
2. Aaron Henry, MSU
3. Terrance Clark, UK
4. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
5. McKinley Wright, Colorado
6. Wendell Moore, Duke
7. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
8. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
9. Kihei Clark, UVA
10. Jordan Goodwin, St. Louis
1. Aaron Henry, MSU
2. MaCio Teague, Baylor
3. McKinley Wright, Colorado
4. DJ Carton, Marquette
5. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
6. AJ Green, Northern Iowa
7. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
8. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
9. Terry Taylor, Austin Peay
10. Matthew Hurt, Duke
Best available according to Three Man Weave
1. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
2. Trevion Williams, Purdue
3. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
4. Terrance Clark, UK
5. Joel Ayayi, Gonzaga
6. Aaron Henry, MSU
7. Marcus Carr, Minnesota
8. Caleb Love, UNC
9. MaCio Teague, Baylor
10. Ziaire Williams, Stanford
Best Available according to Hoop Chain
1. Corey Kispert, Gonzaga
2. Aaron Henry, MSU
3. Terrance Clark, UK
4. Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga
5. McKinley Wright, Colorado
6. Wendell Moore, Duke
7. Oscar Da Silva, Stanford
8. Ochai Agbaji, Kansas
9. Kihei Clark, UVA
10. Jordan Goodwin, St. Louis
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Yeah, WCC might get 3 points for 1st Team All-Conference. I'd wager on 2 points, personally. But, as MGC_07 mentioned, Timme is worth the risk, because he has All-American potential. Gonzaga is going to be in the preseason top 3. It would be very surprising if they don't have at least 1 All-American. The big question, of course, is who is that guy?
And yes, players won't be receiving multiple points for NPOY, DPOY, Conf POY, 1st Team All Conference, etc. You get the highest amount for one single postseason award (10 points if Garza is NPOY)+ win shares. I think if you add up all the possible awards it unnecessarily inflates the numbers and creates a distinct advantage which is almost impossible to overcome.
He’s gonna be very good for us. He grew another inch or inch and a half over the summer so he’s about 6’9 now. Will be a defensive terror.
The question mark is, will his efforts be recognized in post season award voting?
Nice, I just took him to make @GE Nole jealouos
you should retaliate by taking Charlie Moore with your next pick.
Glad that our rankings are a little different. Kind of cool to see the overlap of the same players. Aaron Henry, MaCio Teague, Oscar Da Silva, and Marcus Carr made it on both lists. One of the biggest differences between my rankings and Three Man Weave, is they value freshmen a heck of a lot more than I do. It's very likely that several freshmen will excel and have outstanding seasons. But, it's not always obvious to me on which freshmen those will be. Okongwu was the second most valuable freshmen last year. Jahmi'us Ramsey was the sixth most valuable freshmen. Those two were ranked 19th and 30th in the 2019 RSCI, respectively. Both were taken in Round 9.
Nice, I just took him to make @GE Nole jealouos
you should retaliate by taking Charlie Moore with your next pick.
Not jealous at all. I hope the dude wins NPOY and propels you to victory. I often stay away from FSU guys because of the difficulty to separate fandom from reason. But I hope he kills it for you!
I wouldn't say my top 150 is a carbon copy of my draft board rankings. I will say, however, that It's unrealistic for any team to have 3 All-Americans. So, any #3 guy is naturally going to be pushed down further in my rankings. I'm not convinced Corey Kispert is the #3 guy, he could just as well be the Zags leading scorer. And if he proves to be the Zags leading scorer, he would absolutely merit a top 25 ranking. There are some in the Zag community that feel he is kind of the 3 & D mold. He can create his own shot, but he's more of a catch-and-shoot type of player. Spot-up shooters are naturally going to have lower ceilings. At the very minimum, I would expect 1st Team All-Conference from him. He has a higher floor than Timme and Suggs, but a lower ceiling. If Timme and Suggs weren't his teammates, then he would have a higher ranking. FWIW, I think Kispert is more than good enough to be taken in the 3rd or 4th Round.
