Which Coach needs a Title more this year?
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That 2005 Illini team built by William Self was pretty bodacious.
Speaking of….
Is Bruce Pearl even the best active D1 coach named Bruce?
Speaking of….
Is Bruce Pearl even the best active D1 coach named Bruce?
I don't understand the logic behind, GU isn't playing the tough road games. Has anyone noticed that road games don't exist in the NCAAT? They are all neutral site games. I get that road games in tough environments are harder to win, but those environments don't exist in the tourney, so who cares?
The WCC currently has 4 teams in the tournament by most bracketologists. It's not a great conference but they do play all of those teams at least twice plus two more in conference tournament. I mean, that's 8 games vs NCAA tournament teams in conference. I know it's not a ton, i'm not making the argument that their conference schedule is hard. But it's not terrible either.
Yup! I like Chuck a lot but that still doesn’t belie the fact Auburn has 2/3 fewer tourney appearances than the Illini.
Must really chap your hide Illinois has almost twice the members inducted into the college football HOF than Auburn too.
Illinois having 3x more NFL HOFers than Auburn is just an add on
look, I have nothing against Auburn but your arrogance discounting Illinois through NCAA history is only going to bite you in the ass.
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You don't get the logic of tough road games???
Okay, here goes, while Gonzaga is playing Pepperdine and Portland, UK is playing @Auburn, @Tennessee, @Kansas, @alabama, @Florida etc… , so UK racks up 5/6/7 losses, then has to play some of those teams again in the SECT.
So UK drops to a 3 seed and since Gonzaga never loses (how could they), they get a 1 seed.
Put any top 20 team in the WCC and they would be undefeated too.
Gonzaga played 4 legit teams (Duke, Texas, UCLA and Alabama) and they lost 2 of those games, one of them to a middle of the toad SEC team in their own back yard. UK loses at LSU, at Auburn and at Tennessee and they could end up slipping to the 3 line.
I'm not buying this Gonzaga team, they aren't anywhere near as good as their 2017 or 2021 teams, but the metrics think they are.
They may not be as good as last year, but I'm not sure any of the challengers are as good as last year's Baylor either. I think this Gonzaga team is probably better than 2017.
We really can't gauge how good they are in conference play. Their young talent and chemistry is probably improving, but it's hard to tell how much.
2017 Gonzaga wouldn’t lose to Alabama in their back yard.
I just don't think this Gonzaga team is as well rounded as 2017 or 2021.
2017 Gonzaga lost at home to a BYU team ranked 80 on Kenpom.
I'm not saying they're a juggernaut or as good as last year, but there are no consistently dominant teams in the field.
The way I look at it, if Gonzaga had to play in the Big 12, Big 10, Big Eadt or the SEC, they wouldn’t be in line for a 1 seed, they would have a lot more losses.
I think all the different metrics serbices are good, but I don't think they truly capture how weak WCC competition is.
Jeez, Gonzaga was favored by 30 last night.
I feel like you just read my first sentence and then ignored the rest of my post.
I agreed that road games are tough. Just pointing out that tough road games don’t necessarily exist in the NCAA Tournament. They are more or less neutral settings.
Yeah, this isn’t about the tournament, it's about the metrics and seeding for the tournament.
The issue is your favorable schedule in conference helps your seeing come tourney time. When you aren’t playing road games against higher quality opponents it helps seeding Getting a 1 seed each year makes it much easier to get to sweet 16’s
You all got a break with your conference schedule. good year for it and might as well use it.
Tournaments are so unforgiving. Teams can be the best ever, and set records, but without the banners it's a lost cause. SEC regular season champs becomes just message board fodder.
LOL. This is a dumb point to bring up in regards to Gonzaga scheduling as auburns conference schedule is still vastly better than Gonzaga’s. At Alabama, at Arkansas, at Tennessee is 3 tougher games than Gonzaga has played all season. Nice attempt at derailing this discussion though.
Short answer, no. Long answer, noo.
Ok, I guess? How many road games you gonna play in the NCAAT? Great that AU is road tested----WTF purpose does that serve in the NCAAT, or hell, even the SECT?
Hell I'd argue GU playing Duke, Texas Tech, Alabama and UCLA, all at neutral sites, better prepares them for the NCAAT----I mean, since, ya know----the NCAAT is played at neutral sites.
Has nothing to do with the actual tournament. This is about Gonzaga getting a 1 seed simply because they didn't lose.
When your toughest road games are St Mary's and BYU, you shouldn't be rewarded with a 1 seed when everyone else is playing legit power 5 teams in true road games, which will eventually result in some losses.
UK just lost at Tennessee, same team Arizona lost to in November, long before UT started playing well, but UK slips from a 1 seed to a 2 seed. That’s my point.
If UK played in the WCC, they wouldn’t have to play @ UT, or @ Auburn, or @ LSU, or @ Alabama and UK would most likely get an easy 1 seed, simply because they never lost.
Alabama dominated Gonzaga in their own back yard and Alabama has been getting smoked in the SEC, even lost to Georgia. If Gonzaga played in the SEC/BIG12/BIG10, they wouldn’t be in line for a 1 seed right now.
Heck, if IU was in the WCC this year, they would get a much higher seed than what they're going to end up with.
Yes——higgins would been 2010. Both of uconns titles they beat UK in the natty so not sure how anyone could say uconn didnt cost uk two more titles by beatingn them in two seperate title games.
Yeah, UConn beat UK in 11 and 14 with great guards that UK couldn't stop.
The 2011 game was in the semifinals though.
And texas finished 10thbin the final ap poll and got beat in the first round by tx albilene. The final ap poll means jack shit. If u really need a poll after watching the tourney they do put out a coaches poll after the tourney. But bragging about an AP poll before getting upset early in the tourney is about the most pointless argument one can make imo.
Good catch my bad idk why i thought kembas team was the title game too…….prolly bc i cant even remember who they beat to win it after they beat uk lol
Your argument would have more credence if the WCC wasn't stronger than the ACC this year. You're making these assumptions that teams like UK and KU would cruise to a #1 Seed if they played in the WCC when ya"ll lost to Notre Dame and Dayton this year who are worse teams than St. Mary's and San Francisco if you put any stock in the analytics.
The Zags are getting everyone's best shot and they are wiping the floor with their competition at home an on the road over the past few months.
The Zags are peaking now and were still a work in progress in November and December when they lost to Duke and Alabama.
They're avoiding bad and ok losses convincingly, which I'm not sure I can say with confidence UK/KU/Purdue/etc. would do in the WCC.
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UK lost to ND long before conference play started, just like Gonzaga got handled by Alabama prior to conference play. By the time conference play started, UK was rolling, so yeah, I have no problem saying UK would roll through that conference. Especially after seeing what UK has done to uNC, UT, KU, Western KY and several others.
Gonzaga was favored by 30 over Pepperdine the other night, that’s a joke.
Even though the ACC is down, there is no way it's worse than the WCC, no way in hell. Yeah, a team like SMC might win a game against a team like Clemson on a neutral court, but top to bottom, no, the WCC is a mid major conference with smaller and slower players.
I watched that SMC VS Gonzaga game and I can't tell you just how underwhelmed I was by SMC, they're small, unathletic and all below the rim players. I'm not even sure they have 1 single player that can grab the rim. IDK, never saw any of them even try.
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