Which coach’s legacy changes the most...
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That's a tough one. Self has two Championship games, won one under his best and yeah, sure he's inflated his HOF numbers by beating up on a conference like the Big 12, but The guy is a winner. KU seems to take pride in their coaches and if anyone knows coaches...
Maybe. If people were to do a top 10 list I feel like those 3 coaches should all be in order, or be in the same tier atleast. Could probably throw Boeheim into that tier as well. Self is probably on the low side of that though. If any of them won another title I think you’d have to put that coach ahead of the other guys.
@schoonerwest Here's to hoping we get a Cal/Self rubber match for the title this year.
He has underachieved in quite a few seasons but he still has more tournament wins since 2000 than either Izzo or Cal (I know). In fact he’s tied for 2nd with K there.
He just has a terrible record in the Elite 8. I think he’s 3-7.
7 years ago I thought us fans were on the verge of multiple KU-UK Final Four games in the coming years.
Still waiting for the next one.
nuts it's been 7 years, we need to get our shit together.
Im not so sure the “best talent” is the best talent anymore. 5*s seem a little diluted these days.
Cal continues to get 5*s every year, but they seem to skip years in terms of talent level. Wall and Cousins were awesome, the following year not as much. A.D. & co. were great, following year the NIT. Then Towns’ group almost went undefeated, with the following season losing in the EE. I’d like for us to have Roy’s ability to keep the great teams around, and skip the off years.
Good stuff. I was just thinking how big it would be for Roy, and was thinking it would mean more to him than most. I agree that the guys who haven't won one (Bennett, Beilen, Barnes, etc) would probably be the most impactful. Then, it might actually be Cal and Self. Number two puts you in another class. Roy would have 4 in the past 20 seasons, though. Not many can match that at any point in their career. Hell, how many even have more than 3 titles?
It might not mean MORE for Roy than someone like Bennett that doesn’t have one, but it would still be huuuge. Not that there is much anymore, but it would eliminate any debate about his greatness and would make him a no doubt top 5 coach of all time. Any lingering narrative of him “just rolling the balls out” or only being able to win with the best talent would be squashed for good.
Talking strictly on court performance, I think you have to give Roy the nod over Dean. Take into account all Dean did outside of basketball, and he prob still has the lead. Idk.
You're right, what a stupid and pointless thread. Why did anyone respond at all?
Roy isn't the innovator that Dean was, and not sure he measures up on X's and O's, but he's clearly right there as far as program building and talent development. Roy's teams almost always improve from November to March, and here lately he's done a terrific job of turning guys that weren't elite recruits into excellent college players.
It’s tough to do all time rankings. Like if we use things like influence on the game/importance to the sport then Phog Allen is easily in the top 3 but I don’t think what he achieved should put him that high at all. I think it’s best to just use accomplishments as a head coach when doing any sort of order. We can argue about what coaches had more or less relevance to the game all day but you can’t really argue against the numbers.
Well there's a difference between having a huge impact on your legacy, and having the largest impact on your legacy. This thread is about the latter.
People are crazy if they're acting like its even a discussion! What you all did last year was historically bad and something many thought would never happen. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened much the past 25 years, but even as a kid, I've always been terrified of that 1sr game against a 16 seed.
About the NIT...whenever IU has been in it i honestly didn't care either way if they won or lost. Personally, I wish they would decide to never play in it again. The season was probably embarrassing enough...why extend it another few weeks?
Consider the time and the person as well. Dean came along when basketball was not big business. He always thought the growth of the person was greater than the growth of the player. Of course he wanted to win, but he was always more about the process than the result. Roy is somewhat more competitive, and while he does value the journey, he also understands this is big business.
