Vote: Would you start Eli Brooks at PG if you could pick any player from the Big Ten?
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Yeah I too want a guard that’s a worse ball handler, worse defender, and shots worse career wise from 3 because he shot 3% higher last year.
Hail logic as long as a Michigan player is involved
Neither because tangents keep branching out to other side arguments. Also, I have my opinion, but there is really no clear right or wrong answer to the original hypothetical.
You guys keep citing Eli’s career percentage as if he isn’t a completely different player than when he came in. Dude was trash. Dude is no longer trash.
And I literally picked Kofi over Dickinson.
If you’d take Brooks to pair with Ivey after watching Frazier play next to Ayo, I don’t really know what to tell you.
Maybe you have a thing for role players…
I would agree with this. There’s no right or wrong. But only one side here is saying the other is undeniably wrong.
Trent is a career 36% shooter and also had a season over 40% from 3.
He has higher highs and higher lows, along with a better overall percentage.
Kofi over Dickinson is common sense. That’s not even an argument you’d stoop to currently.
I left a Michigan player who was second team All American as a freshman off my Big Ten lineup. I’m really bad at being a homer.
Yes Trent is a solid shooter. Never said he wasn’t. Using his career percentage may be a good idea because it’s been up and down. What I’m saying using Brooks’ career percentage is disingenuous because he’s clearly not the same level shooter he used to be.
You left a 2nd team all American off that isn’t as good at his position as Kofi. Still just common sense.
Both are in their 5th years of college basketball so it seems we have a solid enough sample size to say the difference in their shooting from 3 isn’t going to be meaningful. Both are plus shooters
The difference is Trent is a better defender and ball handler.
if you think 3% higher from 3 just last year is the reason to take Brooks, I’d say you are naive or a homer. Pick one
But are agreeing I can use common sense when it comes to Kofi vs Dickinson, then? If I was jus being a homer I wouldn’t use common sense there.
I’m cool with Frazier or Brooks. They were pretty even last year. Both fill a similar role next to Ivey.
I’d honestly probably vote no on this too if I didn’t waste 10 minutes going through and looking at how weak the guard position actually is in the conference.
I took Caleb Houstan over Da’monte Williams, does that mean I am not a homer now?
Again, your logic isn’t very good. Using common sense in one instance doesn’t mean you aren’t a homer on another part of the take.
And no, we have plenty of data to look at with Frazier and Brooks. Frazier has proven he is better and the stats show it over time.
So if they were close to even last year, but Frazier was better in their first 3 seasons, you would choose to just not look at that data?
Weird
They were close to even over the past season and over the past two seasons. Before that it’s a landslide for Frazier because Brooks was trash. Who they are for 2021/22 isn’t determined by their averages over the first 4 seasons.
So you think cutting it off at 2 years is the way to go?
I thought more data to pull from was always better to form a conclusion, but hey the more you know….
I think looking at what we would expect from them in 2021/22 is the way to go. Brooks freshman and sophomore numbers from when he was trash don't mean much towards that. Over the past two season Brooks has proven he isn't the trashcan he was when he got here.
Do you expect Curbelo to have the same year this year as last year or can players improve?
Let me put it this way.
Say Curbelo went:
freshman: 16% from three
sophomore: 32% from three
junior: 35% from three.
Would you still consider him a bad shooter because how bad he shot as a freshman or realize that freshman number is pretty meaningless because he improved?
Say Curbelo went:
freshman: 16% from three
sophomore: 32% from three
junior: 35% from three.
Would you still consider him a bad shooter because how bad he shot as a freshman or realize that freshman number is pretty meaningless because he improved?
Frazier had a season at 40, then 31, then 36. While having an average of 36% overall.
What should I expect? Seems 36 should be around baseline.
So unless Brooks 40%+ there isn’t going to be some huge margin…
And I doubt he gets as good of look as last year. Barring your PG transfer being a significant upgrade over Smith
